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Not a big fan of Jess Phillips but she hits the nail smack bang centre when she states that Nicola Sturgeon "was at best unprofessional with those womens lives, at worst she misled parliament."

25 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Nice that you only quoted part of my post.

Being economical with the truth again rookie, here is your post in all of its entirety, exactly the same as I posted last time.

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

I thought this thread would be busy today with unionists and British/English nationalists wishing to retract their smears against Sturgeon.

But it just seems to be empty. 

 

On 3/1/2021 at 11:04 AM, Rookiescot said:

 

If you ask me she should resign right now. Definitely something stinky going on. And even if its not her its happened on her watch.

 

You first!

Got a flight from Leeds/Bfd to Belfast and Frank was sat next to me on opposite the aisle with his wife. I started up a conversation with him, told me his nickname was Elvis and he was going to play in a Pro/Am golf charity event over there, what a nice chap he was, RIP Frank.

43 minutes ago, YorkshireTyke said:

They all seem similar ingredients and quantities, so maybe my yeast is not a good brand or the bread maker itself isn't up to scratch.

 

Recipes I've used from the handbook:

 

Basic bread : 360 g bread flour, 30 g sugar, 270g water, 30g rice bran oil, 4g salt, 3g yeast

 

Sandwich Bread : 345 g bread flour, 12g sugar, 270g water, 7g salt, 7g yeast, 28g butter, 16g dry milk, 

 

I've used Pakmaya instant yeast, is this a poor choice?

And I used real milk not powdered and not sure what oil as the label has come off the bottle !

I am using bread flour, Kite brand.

 

The recipe states make a small hole in the flour and put in the yeast and cover it again and in the opposite corner do the same with the salt so they do not mix immediately.

 

The bread machine does have a setting for french bread and quick bread so I will have to try those.

Why not try making bread by hand, if it works that would illiminate your ingredients and maybe point the finger at the machine. It is not difficult I will include the video, use his recipe, it has never let me down yet. Don't worry about the sugar as flour has natural sugars in it anyway. I wouldn't have thought that the problem lies with the ingredients.

58 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

She will still be guilty in the eyes of Brexiteers and British/English nationalists.

Just as Salmond was even after having been found to be not guilty by the courts.

Of course as soon as it suited their purposes Salmond became a victim of conspiracy and was now an innocent man.

Give it a couple of months and there's every chance Salmond will be back to being a figure of hate for them.

I am sure that she is guilty in many Scottish Nationalists eyes too, but will they admit it, of course not it just wouldn't fit in with their narrative now would it. 

But wait a second, who was this mysterious poster who was saying. ⬇️⬇️⬇️

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On 3/1/2021 at 11:04 AM, Rookiescot said:

 

If you ask me she should resign right now. Definitely something stinky going on. And even if its not her its happened on her watch.

 

This is the simplist bread recipe you'll find. You can adjust the quantities accordingly but it is far more accurate to weigh the ingrediants than to use 'cups'

20 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

It wasn't me who brought English nationalism into the thread; and I was responding directly to a post of yours as is obvious because I quoted it! I refer you to that response.

 

To repeat; not all English nationalists are bad, but those that are, like the EDL, get the headlines and that is why they and their ilk come first to most people's mind's when the phrase "English nationalism" is spoken or written.

 

 "I haven't read up yet on Russian nationalism yet, but the information you include just so you can win the argument is quite outstanding." 

I know that Brexiteers are against providing information and evidence to support their arguments, but I believe in doing so. Read the link; it's not all about Russian nationalism. It was also used to support my view that not all nationalism is bad. 

 

Telling that, as usual, you have dodged and not answered the question!

 

"Nationalism is nationalism and why a socialist would give their backing....."

Which socialist is that, then?

 

"This is a quote from the author Elif Shafak...."

Why no link to it's source?

 

You should read more of her works on the matter. Do so and you'll find she is not against the sort of nationalism represented by the SNP, but the tribal nationalism which focuses on ethnicity she first witnessed in her home country. 

 

Indeed, due to the activities of many parties calling themselves nationalists across Europe, the words 'nationalism' and 'nationalist' are becoming more and more associated with the alt-right.

 

Something recognised by, among others, Sturgeon in 2017: Scotland's Sturgeon says nationalism a difficult word

 

 

I cannot be bothered going through every little point of yours, it gets so monotonous, if you want to support nationalism, be my guest.

As for your comment about Russian nationalism, check out this link, it is everything that you are totally againgst and I will include the actual video from Elif Shafak. I am not going to listen to people justifying nationalism, one day it might be too late when Scotland turns into something like we saw in NI in the 70s.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qm1qvh2z058

20 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Are you really saying that you cannot tell the difference between the SNP and parties like the EDL and BNP?

Of course, not all English nationalists are of that ilk; but, unfortunately, due to the activities of those two and similar organisations, it's the vison which first springs to mind when the phrase "English nationalism" is uttered. Indeed, do even the slightest research into English nationalism and you'll find many organisations advocating such have far right and racist aims and policies.

"I believe that all nationalism is bad."

Do you include in that sweeping statement the nationalism such as that which played a major part in the break up of the Soviet Union?

The Role of Nationalism in the Dissolution of the Soviet Union

I am talking about Scottish Nationalism here seeing as it a Scottish thread and Nationalism in general, I haven't read up yet on Russian nationalism yet, but the information you include just so you can win the argument is quite outstanding.

Nationalism is nationalism and why a socialist would give their backing when nationalism and socialism are at both ends of the spectrum defies all logic, you can tie a bow around it to make it look better and even spray it with an 1960s bottle of Old Spice to make it smell better, but at the end of the day it is still nationalism.

This is a quote from the author Elif Shafak, maybe she'll need no introduction to you? She goes on to say:

"People like to think that their nationalism is not as ugly as other peoples nationalism, and that their nationalism is actually the right type of nationalism, that is civilised nationalism, and I don't believe in that, I think the core of nationalism is quite ugly. It is devisive, it is based on a distinction between 'us' versus 'them' and the assumption, that 'us' is somewhat better than 'them' 

So their you have it, some would have us believe that:

Scottish nationalism: Great.

Irish nationalism: Wonderful and romantic.

Welsh nationalism: To be encouraged.

French nationalism: Yep, great.

English nationalism: Terrible, evil.

British nationalism: Doesn't exist anymore.

(Not my own work)⬆️⬆️⬆️

17 minutes ago, RayC said:

As a matter of fact, Johnson did break his word about the date on which we would leave the EU. In June 2019, he said there would be no extension past 31 October 2019.

I guess that he can't help it. The habitual lying must be in his DNA.

It's interesting that you don't dispute my description of Johnson as a liar, but offer as a defence, an accusation that some other posters are being hypocritical.

"It's interesting that you don't dispute my description of Johnson as a liar, "

Would it change your mind if I did, would you say I always over exaggerate Boris Johnsons fibs because he democratically took us out of the EU and I don't like it, I don't agree with it even though most of our country do. I will get back at the voters who voted to leave by calling the man childish names like liar. You should thank your bottom dollar that Labour are not ruining the country at the moment and thank the lord we have someone like Boris to lead us out of trials and tribulations we are suffering at this very time. 

Its about time some posters on here appreciated the difficulties the great man must be undergoing at the moment, instead of all this abuse you give him, why not say a little prayer for him tonight before you retire to the comfort of your own bed and be thankful you do not have his worries.

16 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

From Seinfeld?

I believe he was kicked out of hell for lying. I'm sure you knew that anyway but for those that don't.

The name of a character proverbially said to have been so great a liar that he was expelled from Hell; (hence) an outrageous liar; frequently in "a bigger liar than Tom Pepper" and variants.

52 minutes ago, RayC said:

Rejoice at the fact that we have a chancer and habitual liar as PM? Since when have these been positive attributes?

Oh come off it, if Boris had kept us in the EU you would be saying about him 'what's a little white lie between friends.

To put things in perspective, most of the Boris Bashers on here are praising N Sturgeon who could give Tom Pepper a run for his money, hypocracy at its finest.

1 minute ago, ChrisKC said:

As recently as 2017, the fine for home brewing was upped from B200 (re edict 1950) to B10,000) but if selling, the fine would be too much to bear.

This seems to imply that home brewing of any persuasion is not allowed. I cannot find anything definitive as it relates to what my case would be which is:

To brew my own beer for my own consumption and share for free with my friends and visitors.

I will pm you, I can show you the details, unfortunately I have it from the newspaper we are not allowed to quote on here.

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

1) Brexit and the shift to the far right, to neutralise UKIP

2) Restructuring the BBC to give them editorial control, amongst other things

3) Attacks on the Judiciary

4) Attacks on the Civil Service

5) Attacks on the Constitution

6) Culture wars

7) Attacks on teachers and education

???? US-style voter suppressions

9) Clamp-down on legitimate protests

You can see from this list why some people think Johnson is the best peacetime PM the UK has ever has.

Which ever way you care to look at it Johnson is a lot more popular than Starmer, the Trosky Labour Party are a spent force and rejoice at the fact we have a man worthy of the position he holds. So as much as the left doesn't believe in democracy, these are the facts I'm afraid.

And this is from the lefties bible:

"The prime minister’s net approval rating of 7 is his best since last May and, at two points higher than Starmer’s net rating of 5, it is also the first time his ratings have been above the Labour leader’s since then. Johnson has also established a clear lead when voters are asked who would make the best prime minister, with 37% opting for him and 25% choosing Starmer."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/14/boris-johnson-is-voters-clear-choice-for-pm-in-new-poll

11 minutes ago, ChrisKC said:

It is illegal in Thailand to make wine or beer at home. I discovered this when trying to buy equipment which is nigh impossible.

A few years ago, while my wife was in England I got her to buy a whole pile of stuff unavailable here. I tried to make wine and beer but I was unsuccessful as I couldn't control the temperature (too hot) which meant the yeast died before fermentation got properly underway.

Chris it is very easy to buy the equipment, there are a few homebrew stores in Bangkok which will ship anything you want, and brewing is easy providing you follow simple guide lines, the biggest downside is the fine, the government changed the law in 2016 from a fine of 200 baht to a fine of 100,000 baht.

26 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

There are different forms of nationalism Vogie. On one side you have civic nationalism (Civic nationalism - Wikipedia) and on the other ethnic nationalism (Ethnic nationalism - Wikipedia) and sadly blood and soil nationalism still exists (Blood and soil - Wikipedia).

In Scotland the vast majority of pro independence fall into the category of civic nationalists. 

In contrast British/English nationalists seem to fall into the category of ethnic nationalism with a good helping of blood and soil as well.

Now the difference is evident in attitudes towards things like EU membership.  

I think here to suggest that English nationalism is bad whilst Scottish nationalism is good is most unfair and I believe that all nationalism is bad. I honestly believe it has split Scotland down the middle now. The Scots Nats are imposing their will on all Scots, that is not the way to build bridges.

If any Scot now even mentions he will vote other than SNP he his judged a pariah, I suspect most will just keep their mouths closed in fear of reprisal. Is it normal for hordes and hordes of saltire flag waving rabid SNP followers to be shouting "tory scum" many Scots still vote tory, would that be classed as very undemocratic to pressurize other citizens who do not follow the "movement" as traitors or Quislings. And banner waving fanatics saying 'England out of Scotland' be classed as anything other than bad nationalism. The nationalists have hijacked the Scots Flag just the same as the English nationalists hijacked our Union Flag, it is totally deplorable by anyones standard.

Now the difference is evident in attitudes towards things like EU membership.  

EU membership has a 101 reasons for not wishing to pay our subs, I suspect you are ok the way it transformed from a trading partner into something a lot more sinister, a lot were not.

15 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

If you are reduced to using Jill Stephenson and George Galloway to back up your agenda then you have went through the bottom of the barrel. 

Why don't you answer my question then, why do Scots Nats feel the need to point the finger at other supposed nats, it's like me telling my neighbour to clean his garden weeds up whilst mine is covered in dog muck.

I did not bring George Galloway into this discussion, but wouldn't it be great if George had a chance to refute these allegations that Humza Yousaf brought against George and especially if they had a face to face off on our TVs, I suspect a lot more sleaze may emerge about the SNP. 

19 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

You must be getting desperate, Vogie - not only using polls on your argument, but also relying in the Guardian? 

So you don't see anything wrong with a (failed) politician telling a Scottish minister of Asian heritage that the former is more of a Celt than the latter? That doesn't smell off to you? You don't even see a hint of ethnic nationalism there? Ok... 

 

In all fairness, you should have pointed out that you excerpt is a letter written by the most rabid of Britnats, Jill Stephenson, a woman with a history of racist tweets. Letters are opinions, not fact, especially when they are from such discredited sources. 

Oh my god, polls and the Guardian are out of bounds now because they do not support your views, will they be back in favour if the tide turns, maybe I should just rely on the National for my news.

But really RR why does a Nationalist/follower of nationalism attack other nationalists that are of a minority compared to the Scots Nats, it does seem a very bigoted way to make a point.

18 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Gorgeous there, showing us that he's dropped all pretence of internationalism and fully embraced the ultra right wing racism of Brexit Britain. 

As always, the britnats, with nothing positive to offer, fall back on their bigotry and their blood and soil nationalism. 

 

I think George has got the Scottish Nationalists a tad worried by the sound of it, there is no one more bigoted than the Scots Nats that is why given every opportunity they call other people racists and nationalists, does that make a nationalist sleep better at night knowing he has called a Brit or an Englishman a nationalist. Why would people do that, it makes little or no sense to the average yoon.

But hey a message to you Rudy, latest polls are showing that the 'no' to partitioning of the UK stands at 57% now, and 92% of Scots have said that separation is not in their top 3 of priorties which just leaves 8% in the top 3, most of them on here I suspect.

So before you have a go at George Galloway it may be a good idea for the Scottish Nationalists to get their own house in order and people that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

And this is from the Guardian:

Scottish nationalism has attracted large numbers of Scots whose motivation is anti-Englishness and anti-Toryism – these two being congruent in many minds. Those who oppose Scottish independence are routinely abused as “traitors”, “quislings”, “not true Scots” (and these are the printable insults). We are told by some nationalists to “go back to England” when we are Scots, born and bred.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/18/scottish-nationalism-is-no-more-benign-than-its-english-equivalent