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5 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

New COMRES polling data for May's election:

Independence supporting parties set for 74 seats 

Unionists projected to win 55 seats

ComRes, 5th-10th of March 2021

 

Probably from the same poll.

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

Such a pity that the ROFL emoji is no longer working. When the going gets tough, Vogie gets going. 

I don't respond to insults and that is why Scottish and indeed all Nationalism must be eradicated from our Island Nation, it is turning our citizens into people that hate others for not sharing their destructive nature.

5 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Please stop with the deflection and actually answer my question with something of substance, not simply meaningless waffle. In what way is the referendum result not being respected?

I have answered it, you again come out with your insults, self control not your strong point RR, bye bye. 

31 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

But what you consistently fail to explain is how the democratic decision is not being respected? Scotland continues to be in the UK and continues to suffer the negative consequences of the results of both the 2014 and 2016 referenda.

Unless, of course, you are suggesting that freedom of speech and the right to protest or the right to assembly should not be afforded to those who do not agree with your views. Is that what you are saying?

The democratic decision is far from being respected, having to go along with something and respecting that democratic decision are two entirely different things.

If I were a Scots Nat at the moment I would be keeping quiet about "freedom of speech" thanks to Humza Yousafs hate crime bill, didn't it cost Joanna Cherry her place on the front benches for speaking out on it, is that free speech? I don't think that being her friend of Alex Salmond and her being vocal about things Humza may lock me up for talking about it.

You must be so proud of the SNPs achievements these 14 years they have been in power, but who are going to blame........ English Westminster.

And I might suggest that most of the Scots agree with my views much to the consternation of the SNP.

9 hours ago, tebee said:

Please stop talking such rubbish.  If I had been living in Scotland 4 years ago I would have been living in the EU.

The UK joined the EU as a union of 4 nations.. not as a single state.

5 minutes ago, tebee said:

Indeed and that is why Scotland deserves it's independence. It didn't vote to leave, but was dragged out against it's wishes.

 

 

It was not dragged out against its wishes because it was never in it. The United Kingdom joined and the United Kingdom voted to leave, we didn't vote by areas, towns or villages, we voted en bloc.

But talking about people dragging other people out of the UK, just look at this map of Scotland and the areas that are being dragged out by the SNP. Have you any sympathy here?

Just now, tebee said:

Scotland was in the UK. The UK was in the EU. So it was in the EU

Only in your eyes tebee, we joined as the UK, we left as the UK.

42 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 The will of the people of Scotland as expressed in 2014 was to remain in a UK which was a member of the EU.

That UK no longer exists.

Why are you so afraid of giving the people of Scotland the choice of remaining in the new UK or not?

Scotland was never in the EU!

50 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

If the SNP win the election in May with a policy of holding a referendum then thats the will of the people Vogie.

No ifs, no buts and no maybe.

Troubling times ahead for unionist Brexiteers I fear. Should have listened to project fear eh?

The SNP securing an hung parliament does not mean the Scots want to leave the UK, infact it is not looking good at all is it, have you stopped following the polls now they are not going your way. Polls are saying that the Scots that want seperation are in the minority and the SNP will not get as many seats as predicted, do you agree? The SNP has shot themselves in the foot but the nationalists will still carry on regardless as if nothing has happened, this scandal is not going anywhere fast rookie. As we say in Yorkshire, 'she has muckied her ticket.'

Just now, Rookiescot said:

You were dead set against a peoples vote. Something to do with the will of the people and democracy.

You are OK with ignoring the will of the people in Scotland though.

Brexiteers and democracy. Its like kryptonite to you guys.

The will of the people in Scotland is to remain in our union, the will of the SNP I don't give two hoots for.

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Unelected faceless bureaucrats. 

38 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Then you have nothing to fear from another referendum!

I had nothing to fear from a "peoples vote" either, another sneaky way to ignore the democratic decision our country voted on, "I am a democrat" ????????????

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Selective memory, always makes for a good deflection.

No selective memory here, you wanted to partition the UK before Brexit and are you telling me without the Brexit referendum you would not have bothered with another indy vote, and you would just carried on roaming in the gloaming? I think not.

5 minutes ago, sandyf said:

And exactly the same can be said of Alex Salmond in the late 70s, but he became the  brexiteer hero in the battle with NS. He should never have been allowed to hold public office.

Only a brexiteer would be self deluded into thinking brexit has nothing to do with the current unrest in the devolved nations.

Scotland has every right to take decisions regarding their own future, up to them what they decide and if once again they decide to remain it will be of their own volition and not a Westminster directive.

Scotland took that decision, it is a pity that the SNP will not respect any result that goes against them.

And "oh what a tangled web we weave" the golden boy Salmond is now being disowned because he alleges Nicola Sturgeon and her motley crew have tried to imprison him and whatever the truth is here there is no doubting Swinneys involvement in withholding very crucial information that would have maybe helped Sturgeon through her amnesiac arrests.

Great news for Scotland. The cabinet are moving 500 civil servant jobs to Glasgow.

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Regardless of whether they have other policies or not if they win the election with a policy of holding another referendum are you saying that mandate, given to them by the population of Scotland, should be ignored?

We were suppose to judge Sturgeon on education she told everyone, the problem being you cannot believe a word that comes out of her mouth, so should her mandate be ignored, that would have to be an emphatic yes as you cannot believe a word she says, if she told me it was raining I would have to send the dog out and see if it came back in wet.

She is losing grip of the SNP, "for whom the bells tolls, it tolls for Nicolee"

17 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

What do you have against the SNP?

Probably about the same as some Scots Nats have against the Conservatives, but with nobs on. What have you got against English that doesn't go back 250 years?

In 5 or 6 years posting on here I have not said one derogatory word against the Scots (although one poster has evidence that I liked a post that he disagreed with) my paternal grandfather was Scottish and our family name belongs to the Stewart Clan, that said it doesn't mean that I like a party that is tearing not only the UK apart but also Scotland itself. It is very scary how the SNP is dividing Scotland, but that is how nationalism works.

Scottish politics is getting to a point of self destruct and to quote Muriel Gray "anyone brave enough to criticise Scottish politics right now not only deserves a medal but a safe house"

8 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50561073

Number 1: Stop Brexit. 

Well that went well didn't it.????????????????

41 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You have not addressed what I posted.

If the SNP win the Holyrood election in May with a policy of holding another referendum then that gives them a mandate to hold one.

Are you saying that mandate should be ignored? 

Serious question: Does the SNP have anything else in their manifesto other than partitioning the UK?

I am saying democracy should not be ignored.

51 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Vogie. The SNP are going into the May Holyrood election with a policy of having another referendum.

If they win, and thats looking likely, then that is the Scottish people giving them a mandate to hold one.

Thats democracy.

Pointing at a referendum from 2014 which was won using lies and deceit then saying you had a referendum now you are not allowed another one because I might not like the result is not democracy.

The Scots voted to remain within our union and quite frankly you are not respecting their wishes whichever way you chose to look at it. When the SNP fails to accept the result of the 2014 and the 2016 respective referendums they can never be described as democratic and let us not forget that more than 340,000 Scots voted to remain in the UK than voted to remain in the EU. So let's not take our eye off the ball here, just because the SNP are more likely to get more votes that does not equate to the Scots wanting to leave our union. It has been suggested and if you believe polls which I know you sometimes do, depending which way the wind is blowing, that the SNP may no longer get a majority in Holyrood as previously predicted and you are no longer are holding on to a 'yes' vote any longer, the future is looking grim and glum for a Scottish Nationalist.????

11 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Again you fail to recognise that people are allowed to change their minds. Why do we have general elections every 5 years (even sooner if it suits the purposes of Brexiteers) but we cant hold a referendum on independence?

Its pure hypocrisy. 

Would it be fair to say that only agreeing with results when it goes your way is hypocrisy. 

Again you fail to recognise that people are allowed to change their minds.

Again there isn't any evidence that "people" have changed their minds, you keep saying it doesn't alter that fact. You asked (SNP) for a referendum, you were given a referendum in 2014, it doesn't get any more democratic than that. The result of that referendum has never been giving the respect and consent it so richly deserves, you may not agree with the result but you should agree to the result, that is how democracy works, but there again the SNP are a strange kettle of fish but at last the followers of them are beginning to see through them. 

13 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Refusing a referendum is holding a nation against its will. If Johnson was confident of a win he would not be coming out with his opposition to another one. There is no democracy in holding a country hostage.

Face it. The UK is no longer united. Its broken. Thats what happens when you vote for alt right English nationalists and Brexiteers.

But here we go again, you were not refused a referendum, you were granted one, it is no-ones fault but your own that the result didn't go the way you wanted it to go.

It reminds me of the poster who said I am a unionist but also a democrat, he is so democratic that he won't respect a referendum and he is so much of a unionist, he wants the union to split up, you really couldn't make it up what we are privileged to read on here for free, don't you agree rookie. 

12 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Holding a sovereign nation within an empire against its will is frowned upon by international courts.

Last one I can remember doing it was Slobodan Milosevic.

 

Nobody is holding anybody againgst its will, the Scots voted to remain and we should all respect democratic decisions. Simples.????

14 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Then the 2014 referendum result has been respected, even as our corrupt PM announces that he will refuse to recognise the democratic will of the Scottish people should they choose, once again (for the 76th consecutive year) to show just how much Scotland despises the Nasty Party and everything it has to offer. Now that surely is the hallmark of a banana republic? 

But that is the whole crux of the debate, the 2014 referendum has not been respected, there is a vast difference between respecting a vote and having no other choice but to go along with it.

If you really despise the "nasty party" well why do you and others keep voting for it. But fear not the SNP are losing traction in every department now.

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

OK so we have one without his permission. 

Pretty sure the UN and the European courts of civil rights will have a field day with Johnson.

That and the fact it will have to be heard using Scottish law will be a right giggle.

In Scotland the people are sovereign. Not Westminster.

Of course you will rookie, of course you will, don't worry everything will be just fine.????????????