vogie

Just now, RuamRudy said:

Are we free of the swamp that is the Westminster government? Have we thrown off the dead-weight burden that damaged beyond calculation my country for 300 years? Oh happy days!

 

The SNP are not free of anything, Boris only said today "no referendum"

"Boris Johnson will make clear on Sunday that he will not grant a second Scottish independence referendum, even if the SNP wins a majority in May’s Holyrood elections."

It is behind a paywall so you would need to subscribe to the "Telegraph" to read it RR.????????

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/03/11/boris-johnson-will-no-second-scottish-independence-referendum/

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

So the TVF members who make such statements are merely parroting, unchallenged, the things they hear in the press? Who would have thunk it?

Parroting and referring factually to a statement of truth are two different things. What would you call a country that ignores referendums?

12 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Yesterday Scotland was being called, laughably, a banana republic. Today the tory appointed DG of the BBC cancels a satirical show because they make fun of our government. 

 

It is not tvf members that called Scotland a banana republic, maybe it was re-iterated, but Scottish journalist Andrew Neil that stated this, maybe he was referring to how the SNP refused to recognise referendums and how the SNP government witheld or lost information vital to an inquiry that mislead parliament, a claim that N Sturgeon is still refuting I hasten to add.

10 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Is what my wife said legally binding? If its not then its just an opinion or throwaway remark.

Like dead in a ditch or over my dead body.

Helter Skelter.

"When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide
Where I stop and I turn and I go for a ride
Till I get to the bottom and I see you again"

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Vogie that is possibly the worst analogy I have ever seen.

But fish sauce so OK here we go.

Imagine I want to go down to 7/11 and get some fish sauce. My neighbor says "No. You cant have any fish sauce. You had fish sauce in 2014". 

If you had fish sauce in 2014 I seriously think you would ever want fish sauce again. But to complete your analogy, if your wife said to you in 2014, you can have fish sauce but remember it is a once in a lifetime fish sauce, that should be the end of the matter.

10 minutes ago, sandyf said:

One day you will come to realise that brexit came after 2014, not before.

And maybe one day you might stop blaming all your trials and tribulations on Brexit, one of your founding members Arthur Donaldson later to become the leader of the SNP was seeking independence in 1939 and the lengths he was prepared to go to get it doesn't even bear thinking about. 

Just now, Rookiescot said:

Then you should have nothing to worry about with a referendum then.

Doesn't 2014 ring a bell.

It is just like my next door neighbour asking my eldest son Troy if he would go down to 7/11 and get me some Thai fish sauce and Troy would say 'but my dad doesn't like fish sauce' and Tong my next door neighbour saying 'it doesn't matter, get him some anyway'. Can you see the similarities between Tong and yourself, complete waste of time?????????????

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Hurrah !!! We believe in the polls again !

 

When you live by the gun, you must understand you may have to die by the gun, you cannot complain just because they are in freefall, you separatists have set this precedence.????

56 minutes ago, robblok said:

Lets put both our evidence to the test a vote. But you seem reluctant to agree that the scots have a vote. It might be as you say it might not be. But let them have their chance. 

I don't even know if it makes economic sense to do so. Lots of things to debate but we should not debate on the fact that they should be granted the right to vote.

Pure waffle, there is overwhelming evidence to show that the Scots do not want yet another referendum, the most people that want Scotland to have a referendum are the Euros, now why would that be I wonder and there are no prizes for guessing.

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

Ha......I could have written that reply......."thank god for the covid pandemic"......the Tory Brexiteer's mantra.

Your link wrote that reply, the very first sentense if you would care to check. I should imagine that most, if not all world economies have taken a hit.

10 minutes ago, robblok said:

You keep saying the Scots are against it but you dont want a vote seems like your lying.

And you are still insulting, I do not lie, where is your evidence that the Scots want another referendum and a answer without insult or patronizing would be much appreciated.

Just now, sandyf said:

You really do have your head in the sand. 

Today, the North East has one of the highest concentration of Polish nationals with three per cent of the population of Aberdeen recorded as white Polish, the same proportion of Edinburgh. The figure for Scotland is 1.2 per cent.

https://www.scotsman.com/whats-on/arts-and-entertainment/scotland-and-poland-500-year-relationship-1479958

 

Scotland did not turn on it's own, and headlines like this have fueled the animosity and the desire to get out of the UK

 

Britain's Polish community has been left shocked by incidents of hate crime reported since the British referendum to leave the EU.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36656348

Whataboutery raises its ugly head again, we had it all day yesterday the Scots Nats just cannot and indeed will not accept that the Scots do not, repeat, do not want independence. The Scots Nats on here seem to live their lives by opinion polls but when the polls start to freefall, not a dicky we hear from them.

There has been 5 or 6 polls now showing a decisive no to independence also another poll showing that the SNP will not get a majority in Mays elections, the Scots are beginning to realise what a corrupt "movement" the SNP are, the independence boat has sailed and hopefully the nasty SNP will sink to the bottom of the ocean where it belongs.

8 minutes ago, robblok said:

It still does not sink.into your head because you just dont want to know. It was a non binding referendum. It was an advising one. Had it been a binding referendum then they had to obey. Now taking into account the low turnout they  knew it was not too important for the people. 

 

Its the governments that keep them.in the EU. The citizen don't mind otherwise they would vote differently. Brexit proves your talking b s. If there are enough people that want to leave it can't be stopped. Every 4 years people can vote. People can also demand a referendum but not though have most countries voters are smarter then the Brexit voters.

Anyone with half a brain sees the economic advantages. 

Anyway study what the difference is between a binding and advising referendum. You might learn something.

Give the scots their chance if you dont worry. Watch te UK being destroyed as a result of Brexit.

 

The reason so many Brexiteers are against it is that they really fear losing Scotland knowing it was Brexit that was the catalyst. 

They worry that their vote leads to an even smaller weaker UK. Knowing how history will record this painting them as fools. Plus if they leave its even harder to see Brexit as a good deal and they will never forget it.

Proof is in this forum with mainly Brexiteers being against this.

 

 

"most countries voters are smarter then the Brexit voters."

"You might learn something."

"Anyone with half a brain sees the economic advantages."

You take patronizing to a higher level Rob.

"The reason so many Brexiteers are against it is that they really fear losing Scotland knowing it was Brexit that was the catalyst."

Strangely enough the Scots are againgst it too, it is only the Scottish Nationalists and the Euros, oh and a couple of befuddled anti unionists that want to force a referendum againgst the wishes of the Scots and we all know the reason for that don't we Rob.

I notice that it shows our misdemeanors in our profile now, I have 4 penalty points, is that bad, I have won 9 days though, could this be used to remove my penalty points? ????

40 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

That was before Brexit.

If you wanted Scotland to remain in the UK you should have voted to remain in the EU.

You can have Brexit or the UK. You cant have both. You chose Brexit.

I wanted the UK to leave the EU and also for Scotland to remain within our union as did most citizens of these isles. Both these issues were democratically voted on and the UK voted to exit the EU while Scotland voted to remain in the UK. Brexit had little or no effect on the SNP wanting to patition the UK, with or without the the EU referendum the SNP would always seek to leave the UK, am I right or am I right?

There is no logic what-so-ever in you saying we must have one or t'other. As proven we have indeed got both, that is the reality.

34 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

It was not thrown around like a Brexiteer slogan Vogie. Half a dozen times at most.

There have been many people born while we were members of the EU. They have had their rights to travel unrestricted around europe stripped from them.

Sean Clerkin is a clown. We can at least agree on that.

Doesn't sound like Sturgeon and Salmond were throwing the remark away to me anyway. What do you think rookie?

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

2. Scotland voted to remain.

3.Where is the legally binding promise it was once in a generation? Throwaway remarks do not count. You should know this. After all the slogans banded about by Brexiteers have been conveniently forgotten/ignored by the very same man who is now the prime minister. Which is something else Scotland didnt vote for. The man who claimed he would rather be dead in a ditch than ask for an extension. The man who said a border down the Irish sea would only happen over his dead body.

4. You seem to hold very strong opinions on what Scotland should and should not be allowed to do. Why is that?

5.6.7. You fail to address why you have issues with people pointing out Brexiteer hypocrisy regardless of where they come from. 

It is purely going around in circles and you making excuses because the vote didn't go as you would have liked. We could, well you could argue all day about it being a "throwaway" remark, not to put a too finer point on it, the remark must have been thrown away a 100 times. It was said said in a meaningfull way and not a throwaway type of way, but I guess you know this already but if you concede to this it totally destroys your argument.

Why do I hold strong views on the Union, because the union belongs to us all, I was born into the UK where we were free to pass through it unhindered without having to worry about idiots like Sean Clerkin checking our documents before we are allowed to visit the Edinburgh Tattoo. It needs to remain this way for all our future generations also..

I haven't failed to address anything, if you read all my posts you would see this.

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Dont worry about it I got the gist. 

I have deleted it to stop any confusing, it may be my fault, at 70 your faculties do not become sharper.

Just now, vogie said:

 

For some reason again my post has been included with yours, twice now.

29 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

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22 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Wrong about what? 

You stated that:

Lots of hatred to English and rightly so. 

It wasn't that long ago, and some English are surprised at how we feel! 

I Said you were wrong as we already know that a certain sector of the Scots mainly through the SNP hate us.

51 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

My grandmother, who died recently at 99, told me about me her grandparents telling her about the Highland clearances. Lots of hatred to English and rightly so. 

It wasn't that long ago, and some English are surprised at how we feel! 

You couldn't be more wrong Neeranam, I totally accept your honesty, it is your fellow nationalists that deny that claim.

18 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Only a paranoid brexiteer would so arrogant to claim that they know what Scotland wants after the brexit fiasco.

The only valid proof would be a post brexit referendum, we await the results.

Thanks for the insult, you'll be happy to know that it is not just unique to you.

You have had a reverendum and the proof of the pudding is in the result.

7 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

I call total BS on that one. If you sign a work contract with a company and then 6 years later that company gets sold off to a new owner and your work or pay conditions worsen considerably,  you wouldn’t like it one bit if you wanted to quit and then your new boss says, well, you wanted to work here 6 years ago and you signed a contract and now you just gotta suck it up and stay because that’s what you wanted 6 years ago and therefore I’m not going to let you leave! 

 

The circumstances have changed DRAMATICALLY since the last vote, and that’s all there is to it! I don’t understand why this is so hard to grasp! To me it seems you want to avoid that your beloved UK completely disintegrates and now you’re trying to avoid that at all cost! Clearly, if you felt you have the right to decide whether you want to leave the EU because from your point of view it doesn’t uit your own needs you should give the Scots the right to decide whether they want to stay in the UK because it doesn’t suit their needs anymore because of a majority decision that was made against the will of the Scots! 
 

The UK is going down the drain and the Scots want to leave the sinking ship and it’s their right! 

What you fail to realise is:

1: The United Kingdom is the company.

2: The Scots have had a referendum and have voted to remain.

3: There is no indication that the Scots want another.

4: You shouting will not make any difference to what the Scots want.

5: Is it just a coincidence that most Euros on here are shouting the loudest for the Scots to have another referendum and not the Scots themselves.

6: Is there a slight possibilty that the English are to blame for leaving the EU Jolly Boys Club and this is a way to get back at us.

7: Why do so many Euros support nationalism.