vogie

2 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

by reading some of your past posts it appeared to me that some of your answers made some sense but lately you are on a repetitive one track mind type of answers that make absolutely no sense. Scots voted long time ago, prior to the UK Brexit vote, thus many things have changed after their vote and, the UK being or suppose to be a democracy, it's Scotland democratic tight to ask for another vote... what are you so afraid off, to be wrong ????

Glad we are adding another slogan to the already mundane selection "what are you afraid of."

And I will add that when you get asked the same question ad infinitum it is very difficult not to answer repetively, I think without question of a doubt that there are more Euros that want Scotland to have a referendum than actual Scots, why would that be Mavideol? The majority of Scots don't want a referendum but the majority of the Euros want them to. So the key issue here is, who do we listen to, the Scots or the Euros, I don't really need an answer to that, most of us already know the answer.

There is one thing for certain though, all this bitterness totally vindicates the decision that the UK has made. 

8 minutes ago, shackleton said:

The SNP don't speak for all of Scotland

Let's have the Referendum let all the people have their say

And once voted on end this boring Saga one way or the other

Would another referendum put an end to this breakdown in democracy, if you lost yet again would you accept the loss just as graciously as you have accepted the last one, a little birdy tells me you wouldn't. 

14 minutes ago, sandyf said:

The only assumptions are from the brexit brigade.

They got a vote on leaving a union but don't think that applies to anyone else, rampant hypocrisy.

The UK is out of the EU but some want to believe it is still 2014, selective interpretation of "moving on".

All of the UK voted out, we didn't vote by regions, the UK refers to the "anyone else" too.

Just now, Katipo said:

 

A 2nd referendum will confirm that one way of another.

Don't worry, 58 years is not too long to wait. ????????????

25 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

Doesn’t matter. When they had the vote back in 2015 or whenever it was the UK was still part of the EU and now it is not anymore which dramatically changed the circumstance and therefore the Scots should have the right to another vote whether they want to be part of the UK or the EU! 
 

If Brexit hadn’t happened then I’d be on your side of the argument, but it did happen! You and now want to vote again and again until they get what they want” argument doesn’t make sense at all! 

If Brexit hadn’t happened then I’d be on your side of the argument,

Thank you, you have hit the nail on the head and answered the question of why non UK citizens want the nationalists to have independence........... Revenge. 

2 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

That was before Brexit, mate! It’s a totally different circumstance now! 

Of course it is, it is also before the covid 19 outbreak, before the upper echelons of the SNP were found out about all these wrong doings and more importantly, Rangers winning the Scottish league. Brexit has made not a penny worth of difference to the SNP wanting independence, for this you can be assured. 

This is what the SNP was designed for, the mess since they have been in power it is clearly not to govern but to split the UK up. But it is not just the UK they are splitting up, they have divided Scotland itself, they are an utter shambles, and a disgrace. 

But as another poster has mentioned, rather succinctly I thought, isn't it amazing how many posters not from the UK have suddenly painted their faces blue and started waving the Saltire, I am still trying to work out why this should be, could you help me out here pacovl. 

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Again deflection. Is England a country?

Are you struggling here rookie, we are all one island nation.

4 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Aren't they the same thing?

 

We all know why the prospect of a people's vote on the terms of Brexit terrified you.

 

As you refuse to say why you are opposed to a post Brexit Scottish independence referendum, I can only assume it's for the same reason.

You can assume as much as you like, I don't care! I have explained many times why I don't want to exchange dialogue with you, please respect my choice in doing just that.

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

And Newcastle is a country?

Scotland is not a country?

Is England not a country?

 

Answer the rest of my post.

Scotland is part of our island nation, strictly speaking we only become separate countries when playing rugby or football and the likes but quickly revert back to our UK status just shortly after full time.

1 minute ago, elliss said:

 

    Asap. 

     Uk Taxpayers , can not afford them anymore .

      Hopefully , the Taffs will follow soon ..

Ellis, don't undo all my good work.

5 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

In which case you have nothing to fear from another referendum!

Remove "referendum" and insert "peoples vote" and we have your modus operandi.

7 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

The Scottish people did not get the facts. Remember the new oil field discovery that was kept secret by the BBC?

The only people that don't want it are the ones scared of their own pensions, selfish ****s

Off the top of my head I seem to remember Alec Salmond telling the Scots about how much money they would be worth after independence just before the 2014 referendum, and to quote our friend from QT "you told us that a barrel of oil would be worth millions, now we can buy a barrel for £10 down the Barras. I just love the Scots humour.????????????

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Newcastle is an area of the UK the same as Scotland?

Does Newcastle have its own laws, government and a long history of independence?

Is England a region of the UK or is it a country?

Think carefully Vogie. That question is a bear trap.

I wouldn't overstate Holyroods importance, Westminster is your parliament also, Holyrood is just a glorified council yard, and a very bad one at that.????????????

17 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Third time lucky.

If you were so confident in these polls and are so sure you can present a solid case for remaining in the UK now is your chance to kill calls for independence dead.

Lets have a referendum and see if you are right.

It is not up to me to make a case for you to remain in the Union, it is up to the Scots themselves and when I say Scots I don't mean the corrupt SNP with a leader with amnesia. And as we all know the Scots have made that most crucial decisive decision by wanting to remain, and I support them all the way as you should too.

2 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

I know what do you call a Chinese woman with a food mixer on her head....but I don't know this one...

Wot wen wong?

3 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

It wasn't ignored....Scotland remained part of the UK.

Not by the SNPs choice, if it was up to Sturgeon to break away from the English she would be away faster than a rat up a drainpipe.

13 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

how do you know that Vogie, are you a fortune teller, palm & tarot card reader or did you conducted your own survey/poll.... let the people of Scotland decide or their future not you nor the puppets in Westminster

Not wanting to sound repetitive, I know because the Scots have already voted to remain and why are you trying to deny the will of the majority of Scots that have already taken a vote on this matter and decided to remain, you are not being very democratic now are you. Can you not go with the will of the Scots and not the nationalists who are in the minority.

13 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I've answered all your relevant points despite your deflections.

 

The last referendum was before the uk left the EU, against the wishes of The Scots.

 

Circumstances are different now and people should be allowed to vote on whether they accept these or wish to leave the union.

 

Many have changed their view since brexit.

 

Why are you so afraid of a referendum?

 

Oh and do leave the fascist hyperbole out of this...that's just project fear nonsense...

Oh and do leave the fascist hyperbole out of this...that's just project fear nonsense...

And what do you call someone who ignores democratic decisions

7 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Thanks for proving again you're not reading anything that others here are saying.

OK you don't have any proof like I have shown you, end of bickering!

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

Hmm deflection there as well...

 

Ironic really, however, if it is going to end in tears for those wishing independence-why are you so against any referendum on such...

Isn't it strange that anything you cannot find an answer to is "deflection"

A referendum has been done and dusted, it hasn't gone the losers way so it is 'I'll Thweem and I'll Thweem till I get another' I am afraid democracy doesn't work like that, the losers should give consent to the result or we may end up like a fascist state.

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

Who are you referring to with 'they''

 

If Scotland, you are wrong and as I say... new circumstances... let them vote.

 

Or are you worried england might lose...

New circumstances.????????????????????????

I think that the First Minister lying, with-holding evidence and repeating over a hundred times that she didn't know anything in an inquiry could be best described as "new circumstances" don't you? That believe you me is a game changer, she and a lot of disciples are on a hiding to nothing, only one in three Scots now believe that NS has been entirely honest.

5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

No, Scotland is a nation within the union called the uk.

 

Scotland can leave such a union, especially if it's decisions are not to it's liking...you know that really does sound familiar.

 

Newcastle is part of the nation of england.

 

So your point was deflection after all.

And it is to their liking because they voted to remain, but I fear it may not be to your liking.

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

Give it up it was 80 years ago.

What was, I am talking about present day Germany and you know it.

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Last time you asked me this I asked you 'proof of what's, you said 'proof of your claim that the Scots want independence', which is not what I claimed.

Do you really want to repeat this circular thought again and make the same incorrect claims again, to again be corrected? You're like a 4 year old who doesn't listen to his parents.

I have proved to you that the Scots do not want independence, and I await your proof that they do. And less of the insults.

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Nothing to do with wanting to break up the UK, only with maybe wanting independence.

If independence means giving your country lock stock and barrel to for example....Germany, many would argue that is not independence by any stretch of the imagination.????????????