RuamRudy

True, I was referring to more contemporary times but you are correct to point out that the historic actions of the British in Ireland were horrific, as they were in countless other countries over the centuries.

Why are you encouraging the ethnic cleansing of an indigenous people.

I think it's because it's not a Muslim only phenomena. In fact, it makes sense to highlight this fact. Most people are aware of the ultra conservative views of some Muslim countries, but sadly this backward thinking is not restricted to them. This article shows that bigotry exists on a wider plain than just the Islamic world.

You seem quite upset about what consenting adults get up to in the privacy of their own homes. Why does it bother you so much?

I am guessing that the warning was because you used it as a dig at the username of another poster.

Why should whether a people subscribe to 'western values' be the arbiter of whether they should be relived of oppression, especially when, as you admit, the very notion of 'western values' is subjective? There are plenty of countries that reject 'western values' but live in peace, indeed in collaboration with, the west.

It certainly did. It shows that you recognise that renaissance are not overnight, spontaneous events. They come through the freedom of individuals to act and think independently. Fundamentally, we all have the same basic needs and desires. When it boils down to it, there is zero reason to assume that Palestinians are and different to the rest of us. The question therefore is, should we continue to allow Israel to oppress, dispossess and dehumanise them because we don't like the people in charge of them, or should we recognise that they have a fundamental right to the same freedoms we enjoy? Admittedly, there will be issues along the way. Generations of anger at how Israel and the world has abused them cannot be washed away in an instant, but with support from the rest of the world, hopefully a prosperous and peaceful Palestine can return.

What led to liberal western values? So you think that they have always been there?

Or maybe they recognise that the first step to becoming an inclusive society is to become a free society? It is barely 30 years since same-sex activity was decriminalised in Ireland - the west might be leading the way in that respect but this is a relatively new phenomenon.

Every demographic below 65yo + is in favour of rectifying this colossally stupid error. It surely has to come - we will return to Europe.

And No-one holds a candle to you. Sturgeon is history - just like the Tory party are going to be for the next 2 GEs at least. Hopefully that's long enough to reverse the damage done by the racists and allow Britain to return to the EU, albeit on much poorer terms.

Have you had a look at the lot that are going to be chucked into the political wilderness for at least a generation by a country sick to death with their lies and corruption? They make starmer look like a saint!

Who'd have thought that the venn diagram of agreeable views between similarly empathetic individuals wasn't always represented by perfectly overlapping circles?

The growing sense of panic within the right wing press, especially the Telegraph, is a glorious thing to see.

Believe me, I was being equally facetious.

I spent a week on an Australian live-aboard with a couple of Israelis where we dived on the great barrier reef together - good lads too, more open to a beer than my Palestinian colleagues but no less or more decent or honourable as individuals from the interactions I enjoyed with them. What's your point?

I don't agree that the flow of evil either started with the Palestinians or that it's only one way. But we are where we are - we need to find a way to break the cycle of hatred and bitterness and violence in both sides. I believe that my point still stands - if Israel had offered a means of negotiating a fair and reasonable resolution I am sure that most Palestinians would wish to pursue it. Admittedly, I don't know many Palestinians but the ones I do know are no different to any other people I know in terms of inherent goodness and decency.

I fully agree - while there is no doubt that the Irish people have suffered at the hands of the British, their suffering and their humiliation is nothing compared to what Israel has rained down on the Palestinians for decades. While I won't condone violence in any form, I often wonder how my views might have been shaped had I been forced to endure that which the Palestinians have had to endure.

Not every Irish person fought against the British or even condoned the actions of the IRA but I am sure that many more supported and still support a negotiated return to proper Irish borders. Likewise, if a peaceful means of negotiating a fair and just resolution was available to Palestinians, I have no doubt that the majority would seek that route.

While that statement is based upon nothing other than your own prejudice, I must agree that if a country was suddenly to emancipate a people who's necks it had been standing on for decades while it systematically abused them and dispossessed them of their lands, I too would be wary that chickens would come home to roost.

And Schrödinger's Britain of yesteryear - both violent and halcyon.

Youth is wasted on the young; a phrase repeated since the began.

I am sure that most of us can remember the days of travel agents and record shops peppering the high street, just a couple of examples of businesses which largely disappeared due to technology. Yet we don't have whole generations of potential travel agents aimlessly looking for a fulfilling future. Things simply change and adapt. They always have and they always will.

You keep tugging that forelock, Tranny - your betters still laugh at you and look down on you like they always have, but they appreciate you more because without pliant and weak proles such as yourself, their position might be in danger.

Do you not wish for your children's and grandchildren talents and abilities to be recognised without prejudice? Why do you think that they should have to be treated as lesser because you (presumably) aren't aristocracy?