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In this case, I would say contact several agents and have them all send you ideas of potential properties right awy. Also look in the various classifieds (use the red search button at the top of the page and look for classified and you will find mayny references to various classified sources).

Also check this guy out. He seems committed to you and not the property owners. If he finds what you want, you pay him 1,500 Baht. Nothing if he does not find. He will email you possible options after you fill out a form explaining what you want.

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I have him looking for me right now, but I have given him some tough parameters.

Anyway, after looking over all possibilities arrange appointments with everyone to see all of the places you are interested in during your first few days there. Then keep on the go till you see them all. Take careful notes in regard to all things important to you and your wife as it will all be a blur by the time you are done.

My guess is you will want to live in the direction of Lamphun, but I do not know that area nor am I very familiar with moo baans or 5 brm houses. Others will need to advise you on these. Lots of choices.

All the best!

Lucky me, I suffer no ill effects from consuming food with MSG. Still I don't ever use it when I cook. It does add a nice flavor, but it seems to make all the food have the same flavor, too. Not worth using. I can make food taste better without it.

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Actually Cathyy you are amongst the unlucky majority in that you do not have an immediate reaction. Even if you do not get the headache or nausia, everyone is having short and long term damage from this - destruction of brain and other nerve cells leading to things like brain lesions and alzheimers; eating disorders leading to obesity and diabetes juust to name some of the problems.

John, What your saying my gut agrees with.

But I do remember reading this http://www.msg.org.au/

This confuses me a bit, especially when you have a company like the above.

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awarrumbungle,

All such sites are funded by the industries earning money from the sale of said products. I know it is hard to believe, but sometimes such people twist the truth just a little.

Folks, If you still think MSG does not have serious short and long term effects, then also check out the following sites:

http://www.truthinlabeling.org/

http://www.truthinlabeling.org/Obesity%20epidemic.html

https://www.spofamerica.com/table.php?PHPSE...3172f5df0c29e27

In brief we are talking obesity, diabetes, brain cell and other neuro cell destruction just to name a few long-term effects.

And while you're at it learn more about aspartame, Splenda (sucralose) and all of the other extremely poisonous artificial sweetners. Here are a few links, but a search will reveal many more informative sites:

http://www.aspartame.com/

http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/

http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/

http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/3/sucralose_testimonials.htm

http://www.wnho.net/splenda_chlorocarbon.htm

http://www.wnho.net/links-aspartame.htm

http://www.foodanddiet.com/NewFiles/splenda-story95.html

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/nutraswt.htm

On a positive note, and excellent replacement for sugar is something called stevia, which is available in Thailand in its natural herbal form (sorry, I don't remember the Thai name), but unfortunately not in the easier to use processed form. I believe it is mostly manufactured in China and for some reason Thailand blocks its importation (though it is easily available in Europe and North America.

Seeker

Here is a better link to see most of the good deals out there:

http://dealnews.com/categories/Computer/PC...tebooks/49.html

Also some personal tips are to not get a celeron chip as they run hot and do get a 64 bit processor if your budget allows as this is the future. Good luck.

My interpretation of the rules:

The Immigration rules are quite clear here: You need a Non-Immigrant "B" visa in order to conduct business in Thailand. Tourists "TR" or 30-days stamp on arrival "TR30" are not supposed to conduct business here.

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I have to agree with Flysiam.

And I'll pick on George (who in my opinion is usually spot-on with his posts) here instead of poor Barry who has been catching all of the flack.

Come on George, what we are dealing with here is not the immigration rule in general, which most all here know, but rather the definition of "conducting business" (as many here have already pointed out) and the time honored precedent that has already been set in Thailand and any other sane country in the world, that attending a trade show and placing orders or even buying goods to bring back home does not constitute "conducting business" and can be done on a tourist visa.

Further, I do not see Thailand nor any other civilized government introducing a major policy change of this sort by simply showing up at the event in gestapo-like fashion and subjecting respectable and ligitimate citizens of other countries to the atrocity of being mysteriously jailed for simply acting in accord with accepted national and international standards.

If the Thai government (or any civilized government) wanted to change the way the system works and require special visas and work permits for attending trade shows and buying at them (about 0% chance they would want this IMHO) they would clearly announce it well in advance of enforcement so that organizers could prepare their attendees. No, I see this as a very misguided blunder on the part of some midlevel official. It is now however up to the the national government to quickly and clearly rectify this this attrocity, if they want to avoid a sudden exodus of foriegn trade from Thailand. I would think that they should quickly identify the official making the mistake and have him/her explain how things went awry. What more happens , would depend on the nature and degree of negligence.

The charges themselves are an interesting can of worms - "...on grounds of buying and selling in Thailand without work permits." If they were selling gems in Thailand then we are talking something more of an arrestable nature I would guess. But if they were selling, why include the buying part? In any case the "source" indicates that there was no selling involved. And why such a general mass arrest that even included farang with proper papers? If there was someone there selling gems illegally then just arrest him and be done with it.

The mass arrest of foreigners for the act of buying at a trade show is what is going to really cause panic in the international buying community in every industry and seriously curtail people coming to Thailand for trade shows, let alone think about buying goods here. After all, how many buyers would want to risk being flung arbitrarily and without warning or reason into a Thai jail?

Again, I suspect this was the work of some midlevel official (with a possible tie-in to the grudge theory already mentioned) who had no idea of what an international backlash and heavy financial loss to Thailand he would set in motion. And again, I think the government in the form of the PM is really going to need to quickly make clear what its policy really is with regard to trade shows if it wishes to both save face and prevent serious financial loss for the country.

Anyway this is my opinion on the basis of the current "facts" presented in this report.

Hi Paul,

Since you have digs already, assuming a non-extravagant lifestyle, you could easily and comfortably live just on the interest, never touching your principal.

Also, depending on your visa status, there are lots of ways you could pick up some extra cash with some kind of small business (or in any case I guess the business could be in your wife's name, again depending on her legal status).

I don't know how much time you've spent in Thailand in the rainy season, but if you are out away from decent public transport, I think you will be changing your mind on having an enclosed vehicle soon after the next rainy season starts, if not sooner.

Take the time while it is still dry and find yourself a good, used vehicle. You will appreciate having it also when it is hot enough outside to fry an egg (make sure the aircon works well). Not to mention the frequency of fatal and near fatal motorcycle accidents being a factor. Sure, have a bike for local shopping or fun trips in the country but I recommend a car or pickup for trips in to the city, if you do not have convenient public transport.

Check out the "Have You Bought A Pick Up Truck In Chiang Mai?" thread for pros an cons on various vehicle issues.

Good Luck!

Seeker

Oh well, chang35baht has confirmed to me that he was joking, not realizing that it is possible to do just what he said. Quite a few people have started doing this in other parts of the world. I guess I'll have to be the pioneer in Thailand. It is all a matter of setting up the infrastructure to make it cost effective.

I will make a new topic as soon as I find out if it is possible in CM or not.

Seeker

In reply to Up Country Sincere: No I,ve never bought a pick up in Chang Mai.

And Sinkorswim is right. I`ve been running my pick up on olive oil for some years now without any additives and I`ve had great fuel efficiency to boot.

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This idoes not deserve further comment.....

I have bought several second-hand cars in the last ten years or so. Furthermore, I have never failed to get my money back when seling them. The only @new@ car I might consider would be the new Isuzu commonrail 2.5 Litre diesel, because of the superlative fuel efficiency.

I am probably cutting my own throat here, but the dealer I have found who provides the best service is an Indian guy who's dealership is directly beside the Isuzu garage on the right hand side of the road just before you get to Sanpatong on the CM-Hod road. He has never failed to give good advice regarding which of his cars is worth purchasing, and which has problems. The only dealer ever to say "Don't buy that car!"

I also presume he speaks English, although I have only ever spoken Thai with him. If he doesn't, his son does.

Over the years, I have sent several non-Thai speakers to him and all have been happy with his service.

Why buy second hand? I find I can get a better car, for less money by doing so. You only need to take great care during the purchase and never allow yourself to be taken in by the sales pitch, or the desire to own a particular make or model. BI always shop with an open mind and buy a good car that will fulfill the purpose I have in mind. When I got my current car, I needed something to carry a load. A pickup would seem to be ideal, however I ended up purchasing a 1962 Wilys station wagon with a trailer. It does the job far better and is far more versatile than any pickup could ever be.

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A few points:

First, I agree with Pichai in that if you have plenty of money to spare and really want a new car then by all means, be the first owner. But do remember that as soon as you drive the car or truck out of the lot, its value drops suddenly by something like 20% or more.

Second, actually P1P, chang35baht may not be blowing smoke on this. Though the olive oil does make me wonder (it being considerably more expensive than diesel fuel). I am waiting for a reply to a PM to see if this was tongue-in-cheek or not.

It is actually possible to run a diesel engine on straight veggie oil (SVO) once you have made some slight modifications (though, in a climate that is hot enough, you may be able to run it with no or little modification). I am getting ready to do some posts about this as soon as I get some info from a friend in CM. There could be many benefits to doing just this (both financial and environmental).

There is also a way to convert the veggie oil to being usuable, without conversion of your vehicle, but the simple additive method is cost prohibitive. There is another way that is cheaper but it involves setting up a mini processing plant in your back yard. Not advisable for any but those who are real comfortable working with volatile, poisonous chemicals.

In any case the better method is using the SVO as it may prolong the life of your engine compared with diesel or biodiesel and it definitely burns cleaner than either type of diesel. Look for a future post once I get all of the facts on what is doable locally in CM and have the time for the posts. (This is why I have been advising the purchase of a diesel vehicle as when (if possible) I make these posts the owners of diesel vehicles will soon start realizing some significant fuel savings.

Finally, I want to endorse what P1P has said about buying used cars. I have not had a new car since I was 17 and had partial rights on driving my mom's car (though at 18 I did but a new Yamaha motorcycle in CA for something like $500). Anyway for 35 years I have always bought second hand cars, but always nice ones, after some serious looking. Like P1P I have usually either made a small profit or taken a very small loss when finally selling the vehicle.

The car I bought in CM was a twenty year old Toyota Crown. I was the 4th owner and the two previous owners had owned it for 16 of the twenty years and had absolutely babied it. Inside and out you would swear it was less than 5 years old (except for the body style). It had been a moderate luxury car in its day and was a dream to drive. It was more solid than a modern volvo, I would guess, and so I never worried about safety. The only downside was that, with its powerful engine, it was not what you would call fuel efficient. Anyway, I made a fairly quick decision to move out of Thailand and had to sell the car somewhat quickly at only a 5,000 Baht loss.

If you are not a good judge of cars, either buy from a dealer you can trust like P1P does (I never did find a good dealer with anything I wanted when I was looking, so I suspect that P1P has a fairly rare find), or have anything you are thinking about buying inspected by a mechanic you trust. And absolutely, as P1P says, do not rush or be rushed into buying anything. No impulse buying when it comes to used vehicles (or new for that matter).

Phew! Ok, now that I've run on forever here, go out and buy whatever makes you happy!

(with these epic post, I guess I'll never catch up to Dr. PP in total posts

I think it might be more fair to count lines rather than posts )

Haven't found any yet.  I have some motorcycle bits that I want to spruce up.  I have seen some how to stuff on the net.  It seems a bit involved for the small amount of work I have.

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Since no one has come up with an answer, I guess the next thing is to phone around to any shops that might use an anodizing shop regularly and ask them. Motorcycle or auto body or general fixit shops are 3 types that come to mind.

Again, good luck! Let us know if you find one.

I knew Ed through a common interest in farming organically. Ed loved to see things growing. It was a real pleasure to walk around his farm with him and have him point out the various plants and trees he was growing and experimenting with (complete with reports on what was or was not doing well and why). Ed was a real font of agricultural knowledge both in general and specifically for northern Thailand.

As Maejo Man said, Ed had character. On the other hand, he also was a character. His tongue could at times be a sharp sword as he did not easily tolerate nonsense, wherever he saw it. Though often he did this with a combination of a twinkle deeply hidden in his eyes and a look of good-natured challenge, waiting to see if the subject would take up the bait and defend his/her position.

Ed is survived by his friend Siriwan and many other good friends. It is also thought that Ed may have a son in the US. If anyone knows anything about the son, or how to contact him, please let me know.

For those of you who had earlier wanted local knowledge on farming organically, PM me and I will put you in touch with Siriwan when she feels up to it, as she absorbed a lot of farming knowledge from Ed over the years.

Seeker

Anyone know of a shop that does anodizing in Chiang Mai?  Thanks.

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Hi Wimpy,

I should think there would be more than one shop doing this in CM. Have you found one yet?

What are you wanting to annodize if you don't mind my asking? As a last resort you could do it yourself at home. There is a lot of 'how to' info on the internet for this.

Chok dee! Oops, I mean 'good luck'!

thanks for your input everybody.

well, you've convinced me that the suzuki is not a good choice, but i'm still hesitant to drive a vehicle that is over five meters long (toyota, isuzu, nissan).  perhaps i'll have to spend a little bit more and get a car.

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Maybe a good second hand car. I bought a decent one from a neighbor when I was there and it always ran well and (important for me) had an aircon that could produce arctic temps on demand. I sold it after 5 months of use for about B5,000 less than I paid for it. Shop around.

Anyway, be sure to buy something that runs on diesel.

You will pay anything from 20,000 to 25,000 for anything reasonable in the used department. Why not consider a new one? Local manufacture comps start at around 20.000 and upwards. I paid 24,000 for a s/h IBM Thinkpad a while back, it's fine if not a little on the slow side.

  Computer Plaza has a great shop that sells both new and second hand units. It's on the top floor straight ahead as you walk in. Also a good second hand shop upstairs on the left of the main entrance.

Icon Square is full of shops selling second hand units, go take a look.....

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Maybe also compare the best deals that can be found online. There have been some hot notebooks selling for around $500

Check out: http://dealnews.com/

I would also check out some of the online classifieds for the CM area if you want say $200 or less. maybe someone is upgrading and is dumping a halway decent machine

I am sad to report the somewhat recent passing of both "Old Ed" Dodson and "One-arm" John. I first heard the news a few days ago from Maejo Man and then called some friends there and got more of the details. Some of you may already know this, but for those who don't, I will post some details. I got these details over the phone, so please correct anything that is not completely correct.

Back in early August Ed went to his doctor, apparently because of breathing difficulties, etc. His doctor told him he had pneumonia and he would have to go to the hospital immediately to be treated. He was wisked off to Lanna hospital in an ambulence.

After getting there Ed apparently tried unsuccessfully to call some friends when he found out they were going to want to keep him in the hospital. He was not fond of hospitals and he had a living will (which, take note, it turns out has no legal basis in Thailand) dictating that he not be artificially kept alive in a hospital. No one is quite sure what happened after that but Ed went into a coma within an hour or two. His friends rallied round once they got the messages. The only thing they could do after some days was to get him moved to another hospital (can't remember which one) as the ICU fee at Lanna was (to me anyway) a staggering 20,000 Baht per day. Even at the other hospital it was 10,000/day.

While he was there friends came to visit Ed but he apparently was never very conscious of his surroundings, except perhaps once. One friend who visited was John. I was told that it seemed that after a while John seemed to have the wind knocked out of his sails to see Ed in the process of dying as he appeared to be. A few days later John passed away, about 10 days before Ed did. I do not know many of the details of John's passing, so if someone else knows please post them.

After many efforts and a total time of about 3 weeks in the hospitals, when Ed was very close to dying, Ed's friends were finally able to get him released to be brought home. On 25 August, about 10 minutes after getting home into his own bed, Ed passed away peacefully in the presence of a few friends.

I know memorial services were held, but perhaps many here who knew them were not aware of any of this.

I came to know Ed quite well a couple of years ago as we shared similar interests. He was a man who spoke his mind and to some he may have appeared a bit crusty, but those who knew him, knew that he was a very kind and giving soul.

I did not know John well and only ran into him a couple of times with Ed, but Ed spoke well of him and that was good enough for me.

Anyway I thought some of you might want to know about this. Perhaps it would be nice as a kind of memorial for those who have known these two fine gentlemen over the years to post a word or two about them or relay to the rest of us any of their past adventures that gave color to life in northern Thailand.

Seeker

I suggest checking this guy out. He posted in CM forum before but now he has this ad in the commercial section. I think if you are looking for a budget place this may be the guy to find it. I believe he charges only 1,500 baht if he finds a place for you and nothing if he does not find. Seems very reasonable to me for the leg work he will need to do. However I can't vouch for him as I have never used his service.

Good Luck!

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Now, I am not talking BKK here, but outside of CM (and many other places) you can live very well and very inexpensively if you do some leg work and have the help of Thai or other local friends who are in the know. (I think a good support group may be the most important factor and it is nice to see forums like TV filling that role in at least a small way. It sure would have been helpful to me 4 years ago when I first came to Thailand.)

If you do not mind not being in an upscale condo complex or moo baan with other financially comfortable farang and Thai neighbors and would enjoy being in a clean, decent, friendly Thai neighborhood (and maybe the only farang in a several block area), then here is what you can have.

Townhouse or house - fully furnished, 2 bedroom, 2 bath, good size LR/dining combo area, decent Thai kitchen, maybe tel line but maybe no aircon (or maybe vice versa). Did I mention, friendly and helpful neighbors?

How much? rent: B1,000 per month. electric bill: B150 per month (more with aircon, obviously)

For those of you who are paying 5 to 30 times this and saying IMPOSSIBLE, take pause and remember "location, location, location". You are paying a premium to be in an exclusive and possibly more secure neighborhood, more centrally located, better internet and maybe phone access, etc., etc. and it is worth every extra baht to you to have this (if not, maybe you should look around).

I am bringing up the other extreme end of what is possible in Glorious (not just Amazing) Thailand while still maintaining a respectable and comfortable lifestyle, for those who do want the good life here sooner rather than later and need to be on a tighter (but not impossible) budget (like our friends Matt and Craig for example).

For more depth on this, feel free to click on my profile and look at some of my other posts.

Oh and just to be more in line with the BKK nature of this thread, I believe that even in BKK with some kind of what I call "support of nature" or the help of a good network of friends that you could live well but inexpensively IF you really need to. But since most of you living in BKK earn or have decent money the need is not there and your time and comfort is much more valuable to you than saving on your monthly rent.

Seeker

I haven't been here long, but I can tell you this is not the forum you want to be on if you're looking for information on budget living in Thailand.  I might suggest doing some searching of Boots N All [http://boards.bootsnall.com/groupee/forums/a/frm/f/448097925] for information.  I've got a budget of about 15k baht/month.  From the research I've done, it's certainly doable, if you're willing to forgo luxuries such as air conditioning and daily hand jobs.

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Matt, I don't wish to appear rude, but your post seems very confused and uninformed. This is very much the place to be to find info on budget living in Thailand. This is a forum for expats living in Thailand, not backpackers traveling all over Asia, which seems to be what you posted. Please correct me if this is not right and back that up with some useful posts from Boots.

Does Boots have recommendations on how to rent (or build) a quality home in Thailand inexpensively? Or how about saving money on owning a vehicle in Thailand? Keeping electric costs down? How to apply for the correct long term visa in order to save you time, hassle and money? I would guess Boots has suggestions for some cheap places to eat, but I doubt it could compare to what you can find here on TV for all levels of budgets and tastes in dining.

Do some serious searching on TV and think a little before making a post that might offend others. Did you not see my post above where I described how I lived very comfortably on half your budget? BTW, the house rent part of the budget was only B1,000 per month. Sure, most folks here are paying much more than that, but they have the money and desrve as nice a place as they can afford and I am quite sure in most cases that it is inexpensive compared to equivilent luxury elsewhere.

I have thus far found TV filled with useful information and very kind and helpful posters. If you have found something of great value on Boots that you have not found here, by all means please post it. If I see a few such posts, I will certainly visit it again myself to look for more but, for now, I did not see anything pertaining to living in Thailand.

Come in, browse around, make youself comfortable and when ready please share your knowledge.

Seeker

I was asked this question a couple of months ago by a friend who wanted to move here. My response to him was similar to Steve2UK's (i.e., 55k plus be conservative with the exchange rate and that he'll need private transport).

He decided to move to Malaysia instead. Do I get a pat on the back for being a bad salesman for CM?

Anyway, my consultant's gene  kicked in and I made him a quick and dirty spreadsheet that took into account exchange rates, incomes and inflation, stretching out to 40 years (we should all live so long). If anyone's interested, I could upload the spreadsheet here.

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Everything is relative. It really depends on how inexpensively you need to live, and your lifestyle.

Two years ago I was quite ill and my finances were tight because of it. I did not know how long I would need to make my money stretch.

Anyway, with the help of a Thai friend, I was able to find a very nice, fully furnished, two bedroom, two bath townnhouse with telephone (and later a two bedroom house), a maid who cleaned and cooked, an inexpensive car (which I later sold for slightly less than I paid for it). My total expenses for myself and friend, including eating out frequently (no alcohol drinks) , gas for the car, electricity (did not use air con, only fans), unlimited dial-up internet, etc., etc. was Baht 7,000 per month. And I lived very comfortably and happily in a nice area of Mae Rim, a 5 min walk from where tourists were paying Baht 20,000 per day for housing only in the Four Seasons Resort.

So, if you have friends on a tight budget, they can live very comfortably in the CM area for far cheaper than BKK or most anywhere else. They just need to be resourceful and look around (and have the help of a good Thai or local friend).

When I get back, I will probably be closer in to town, using aircon, and spending at least double what I was before, but at least the option to live comfortably on a tight budget is there.

Seeker

Not sure about now with diesel fuel prices rising it may be possible to squeeze a few more baht from them. As someone said make sure you go for a diesel.

I have heard somewhere that you can run diesel engines on vegatable oil with a simple additive. Not sure about the legalities of this but if you really want to save money that is something to look into.

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Not sure what you meant by "make sure you go for diesel" but all pickups assembled and sold in Thailand run on diesel, as far as I can tell.

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Apparently some new petrol pickups now (but don't buy them ). Also there are some imports.

Anyone reading this might also find the following interesting:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=45583

Then there is more in:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showforum=59

topic split from ladies section& usefu info re natural products moved to the heath section as requested op & posters.

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Thanks boo.

Can anyone give me directions to the Santi Asoke Veggie resturant in CM ?

I dont know my way around CM very well.

Thanks in advance

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I was not aware that Santi Asoke had a restaurant in CM, unless you are thinking of the Vegetarian Society down toward the airport which is similar in style to SA in BKK. Anyway go to this topic for directions and more info on veggie places in CM:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=23148

For more info use the red search link near the top of this page and do a search for 'vegetarian'

Also IMHO, the best of this type in CM is Khun Churn, which you will find described elsewhere.

Here also is a decent map of many veggie places in CM:

http://www.chiangmainews.com/dining/mapveget.php

Not sure about Ayurvedic clinics here, but there are enough spa's around im sure there would be something, I will start to investigate, thanks. 

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Hi Soph,

I was a little sleepy last night and so forgot that I can put you (or anyone needing AV advice) in touch with one of the world's best vaidyas in India via Skype and or email. He is always busy with hundreds of foreign patients (many of whom go to see him), but I am sure he will help you in this way (no charge).

Anyone wanting his advice should PM or email me as I want to let you know the best way to go about contacting him to minimize the the use of his scarce time and maximize the result you get. For this reason I am not posting his contact details here.

Seeker

Pretty quiet in the CM forum today. How was/is the rain/flooding?

Not sure about Ayurvedic clinics here, but there are enough spa's around im sure there would be something, I will start to investigate, thanks. 

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Good luck Soph,

If a spa has someone really knowedgable in AV, it will be quite by accident. But ask around and you may find someone who knows someone else.