casualposter

I beg to differ with regard to Islamic culture being highly developed.

Ever been to the Al Hambra?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhambra

It's a perfect fusion of architecture and poetry.

This gives some good detail: http://books.google.co.th/books?id=S5q7qxi5LBgC&pg=PA79&lpg=PA79&q=Sir%20Frank%20Swettenham

Good link. Try this:

http://newspapers.nl.sg/Digitised/Article/stweekly18891015.2.56.aspx

Click the "I agree" blurb and away you go.

The article is from The Straits Time, 1889. It's actually a re-print of an article that appeared in the Penang Gazette, which in turn was taken from a London newspaper called The Whitehall Review.

The article may take a few minutes to fully load.

The notion that Pattani was once a British colony or British protectorate is surprisingly widespread. The notion is incorrect.

But I've never before come across anyone claiming that the Pattani troubles can somehow be ascribed to the British. The idiocy of this claim is staggering.

 

Try to tell even an educated Thai that chillies (chilli peppers) were brought to Asia by the Portugese only about 700 years ago and originated in South America, they will probably think you are misinformed.

They'd be perfectly correct in thinking you're misinformed.

The fact that the Portuguese didn't arrive here until just over 500 years ago might be significant.

Read up on what happened in 1511. Google is your friend.

I stand corrected.

Chillies were brought from South America 700 (odd) years ago to Europe. Gradually they were taken further afield.....and it was probably the Portugese that brought chillies to Asia, whereupon they spread out even further.

Makes my point even better to think that 550 odd years ago there were no chillies in Thailand.

Ha! I think you've still got this wrong.

Who do you think brought the chillies from South America to Europe 700 years ago?

It's true though that the Portuguese introduced a lot of goodies to Thailand.

The wife of Constance Phaulkon was part Portuguese. She introduced cakes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Guyomar_de_Pinha

After the Japs were defeated, the US were actually in control of the region, Brits had no real say in anything. In fact they wanted to punish the Thais for their secret deal with the Japs to facilitate their intial moves on Malaya by taking back the Patani sultanate, which the Brits had ceded to Thailand in 1909.

So all in all the Brits really aren't at much fault for the current conflict, blame the Yanks for leaving Patani in Thai hands, and Phibun for being a jerk.

Fair points, but your terminology is questionable (the Brits did not "cede" Pattani to Thailand, for example).

The key point is that the troubles in the deep south of Thailand have nothing whatsoever to do with Britain.

Read this. Read it carefully. When you're done, read it again.

You'll learn that to describe the situation in Pattani as a "British legacy ... typical of a departing colonial entity" is complete rubbish.

http://www.ihrc.org.uk/publications/reports/6750-a-brief-introduction-to-the-malay-kingdom-of-patani-1-

You really do NOT get this do you, casualposter.

So I will attempt to help you.

The last custodians of this wasps' nest were the British. Upon cessation of the colonial occupation instead of straightening out this internecine mess by acceding territory according to the historical imperatives described in this article left a mess. They did this intentionally as they ALWAYS do.

The reasons for this are clear to anyone familiar with colonialism.

I am familiar with the history, ethnic imperatives, religious proclivities and the current broader issues in this area.

The British commercial and banking interests and the efficacy of a quick deal were far more easily achieved by leaving a mess.

You can limit your purview to the usual pedantic Wiki, or historical SNAPSHOT in order to better serve your personal loyalties and (I suspect) your nationalistic prejudices.

They left a mess. They always leave a mess.

The US is no better in the modern era.

Occupiers always leave chaos and discord upon departure.

What stays behind is always toxic, destructive and unstable.

Buy the way, my comment on your initial bombast and subsequent rudeness stands.

Spare me further orders and instructions to read a historical record that has been common knowledge for years but that is one that YOU fail to view in any serious geopolitical context.

I'm sorry but I have to wonder if you have even a basic understanding of Thai history. I also have to wonder if you've been drinking.

Let me show you where you're going wrong.

The last custodians of this wasps' nest were the British. Upon cessation of the colonial occupation ...

This is rubbish. Pattani has never been colonized; the British were never its custodians.

Siam formally annexed Pattani in 1902; the annexation was then ratified in accordance with the Anglo-Siamese treaty of 1909.

Going back hundreds of years, Pattani has always been considered part of Siam. When it rebelled and rejected suzerainty (such as in the 1630s) it was promptly attacked and brought back "into the fold".

When it rebelled in 1767 (following the destruction of Ayuthaya) it was attacked again and, in 1785, destroyed.

The new town of Pattani grew up on the banks of the Pattani River in the 1830s. The town has always been part of Siam / Thailand.

To understand just how idiotic your assertion really is, take a look at Satun. The province was formerly part of Kedah. The people are ethnically and religiously similar to those in Pattani. Is there a conflict in Satun? There isn't. Do people in Satun wish to break away from Thailand? They don't.

Pattani is a complex problem, and it's clear to me that your limited (and indeed incorrect) understanding of both the historical and cultural issues renders your judgement worthless.

Actually Lokesh the Thai policy in the South is a British legacy.It's typical of a departing colonial entity to leave plenty of opportunity for wars like this.

The British at their best.

This is complete rubbish.

Nice thing about bombast of this caliber and depth is that there is absolutely no need to determine who has posted, what his origins are, what evidence he has or whether with his current capabilities he is allowed to post more than 140 characters.

Try to tell even an educated Thai that chillies (chilli peppers) were brought to Asia by the Portugese only about 700 years ago and originated in South America, they will probably think you are misinformed.

They'd be perfectly correct in thinking you're misinformed.

The fact that the Portuguese didn't arrive here until just over 500 years ago might be significant.

Read up on what happened in 1511. Google is your friend.

Actually Lokesh the Thai policy in the South is a British legacy.

It's typical of a departing colonial entity to leave plenty of opportunity for wars like this.

The British at their best.

This is complete rubbish.

I agree, but the Brits certainly were involved, and the US and UK between them were the ones that determined who got Patani after "liberating" Thailand at the end of WW2.

Should've made it part of Malaya IMO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patani_(region)#Siamese_Rule

You're confusing Pattani with Saiburi (ie, Kedah). Pattani was a Thai province before, during and after WWII. Neither the British nor the Americans were required to determine its status as its status hadn't changed.

Kedah, however, was "given" to Thailand by the Japanese and then returned to Malaysia after the war.

A relationship between completely opposite types of people, 50 year age difference, little language in common, whatever, that starts out as 100% transactional can still end up being perfectly healthy for both of them.

What you've described is not a relationship.

Actually Lokesh the Thai policy in the South is a British legacy.

It's typical of a departing colonial entity to leave plenty of opportunity for wars like this.

The British at their best.

This is complete rubbish.

Mass mailing job applications/resumes doesn't work anywhere. The kicker is that the Hammer dude was offended that he didn't receive any polite declines from prospective employers. Is he serious? At my company, we get job applications all the time. All the time. Do we respond to every single one? Of course not. This is part of what makes his anti-Thai rant so lacking in credibility. But in all honesty, I hope a few like him listens and follows his lead.

He sounds like an attention-seeking English teacher who failed.

So what? No one will miss him when he's gone.

The word shallow just entered new depths

(yes, its a pun. and its true)

Assuming it's all for real and not a bizarre wind up, yes.

It's also a bit disturbing. It combines elements (albeit to varying degrees) of exploitation, coercion, manipulation and possibly even sexual slavery.

Airlines are extremely reluctant to give credence to investigative evidence which points to suicide/mass murder. The same scenario will unfold with Malaysian officials, as it becomes increasingly evident that MA 370 fits in that category. It's already started, with any indications of pilot screw-up - downplayed or dismissed by Malaysian authorities.

This is the problem, isn't it?

Can you imagine the CEO of any airline smiling proudly at the press conference as he announces "Hey guys, we've finally established it was suicide."

These are now very difficult times for the Malaysian authorities.

Here's another Malaysian incident (this time from 1977)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_Airline_System_Flight_653

Your version of it? You really are out of your F---ing mind. There is no way for any Member on here to tell that you are not writing this all from Cleveland, Ohio.

What you've got on this forum is a madman who's frightened of normal woman.

I think you'll find the guy I'm referring to may have some kind of physical disability (as well as his obvious mental issues).

Then again, he may even be a professional wind-up artist (AKA astroturfer).

Its an inhouse hired lacky for sure...

Mouse over the guy's username and you'll see a popup telling you that he joined three months ago and has been making almost exactly 30 posts per day. That points to him being a "lacky" hired either by the forum, an individual sponsor or an affiliate group that controls a block of advertising space.

The problem, though, is that this particular sub-forum is sponsored by an online dating site.

Your version of it? You really are out of your F---ing mind. There is no way for any Member on here to tell that you are not writing this all from Cleveland, Ohio.

What you've got on this forum is a madman who's frightened of normal woman.

I think you'll find the guy I'm referring to may have some kind of physical disability (as well as his obvious mental issues).

Then again, he may even be a professional wind-up artist (AKA astroturfer).

OK - I guess that scratches the surface of my own racism - I see 'Botswana' and 'Egypt' and instantly think "I'd never get on a plane in either of those countries !". Somewhat of a double standard after I took another poster to task for his blanket assertion that 'Asian' pilots simply aren't up to the same standard as their Western colleagues, despite the fact that Asian pilots fly in and out of international airports from NZ to Iceland.

Point taken, however grudgingly, casualposter - pilot suicide makes as much sense as anything else currently being tossed around. Hopefully one of the ships in the current search zone will retrieve the four orange objects the RAAF identified late yesterday Perth time.

This is shocking:

According to a summary by Aviation Safety Network of the preliminary investigation results, the crash was quite possibly intentional. Data from the cockpit voice recorder indicate that minutes before the crash, the co-pilot left the cockpit for the bathroom, and returned to find the door shut. The flight data recorder, or black box, indicates according to preliminary results that the captain manually changed on the autopilot the flight altitude from 38,000 feet to below ground level. He also retarded the engine throttles to idle and manually selected the maximum operating speed -- a contradictory action that makes little sense. The voice recorder shows that someone, likely the first officer, pounded on the cockpit door before the crash. There was no mayday call from the experienced captain.

http://www.ibtimes.com/pilot-suicide-when-its-captain-who-crashes-plane-1519756

To me, its the equivalent of the gunman in the clock tower being identified as the Dean of Faculty - almost unthinkable.

But it's happened before. A pilot in Botswana committed suicide in a plane; an Egyptian co-pilot did likewise and killed everyone on board.

Pilot suicide is REAL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Air_Botswana_incident

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990

Another interesting link (re:Mozambique Airlines Flight TM470)

http://www.ibtimes.com/pilot-suicide-when-its-captain-who-crashes-plane-1519756

Surely the point where he allegedly turned off the cockpit voice recorder, then ACARS, then the depressurization alert - all in careful sequence - would have been the point where his fingers wavered over the controls ? Climbing steeply to 42000 feet to render everyone in the cabin brain-dead is callous beyond measure, but continuing to fly into the night with a cabin full of people (including children) who had done nothing to him : it's hard to imagine how he could have even dressed himself that afternoon much less acted normal with the crew before take-off. As to the fate of his co-pilot - in this scenario, I guess it's purely academic.

People snap. The guy lost his wife and kids, then he saw his political hero jailed on false charges.

He may have wanted to do this to expose Malaysia's incompetence in handling the aftermath. He my have wanted to draw attention to the country's corrupt regime.

But these are just theories. The truth (like the plane) may never be found.

Having a bg gf is one thing but why on earth would anyone choose an ugly one. Is it a financial matter?

Do you have low self-esteem?

Anyone with a BG girlfriend has low self-esteem.

Only losers pay for it.

What? Lots of guys have girlfriends that are sex workers.

No they don't.

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