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You cannot be in an overstay position when your application is under consideration. If they accepted the application, then approval is almost certainly guaranteed. As I explained in your previous topic, you were granted a period of stay of 90 day, your visa is 'USED'. You'll have a stamp 'permitted to stay until xx xx'. When you return to get your 1 year extension stamp, this will be backdated to the date your previous stamp expired - no overstay.

For an Embassy Income letter, you do not have to provide evidence of 12 months pension payments. Just the statement detailing the monthly amount. The Embassy will provide a letter stating they have been provided with evidence of a pension of xxx per month, which is xxx per year. That is sufficient for Immigrantion.

You've been asking about the Non Imm O-A visa all through this topic, not the Non O visa. You can obtain the Non O visa from the Thai Embassy in Oslo without leaving your armchair, with which to enter Thailand. https://oslo.thaiembassy.org/en/page/non-immigrant-visa-long-stay-retirement?menu=60b4ca31384de234ee5a28a2 Now, to go back to your previous question: To which I replied; Which part of 'yes' did you not understand. Many an expat has entered on a Non Imm O visa, then applied for and submitted an Embassy Income letter for their very first extension.

Unbelievable! Throughout this topic you've asked a question, which was answered, then your reply is 'I know I'm not stupid'. If you know, why ask the question. Nobody has suggested you are stupid. Why be concerned about an Embassy Income letter now, when it could be almost 2 years before you need to apply for an extension. The mandatory Health Insurance requirements are due to change between Sept - Dec for the Non Imm O-A visa and extensions of stay.

The Non Imm O-A visa is based purely on the requirements of retirement, regardless of which Country. Your Norwegian and that question has already been answered. Yes, you can obtain an Embassy Income letter without depositing 800K in a Thai bank account or providing evidence of 12 x 65K monthly oversea transfers. You need to decide which route you want to take, either based on retirement or Thai spouse.

I'm sorry, but you obviously were, and I could quote your posts with regard to that. @DrJack54 and I have merely attempted not to criticise, but to correct your misunderstandings of the various visa type, yet you take offence?

No, it's their level of education and training, or lack of to be more precise. I submit applications of behalf of some disabled expats. On one occasion, using the income method, although the 12 monthly transactions were above 70K, using a calculator, the IO had to add the 12 deposits then divide by 12 to announce with a smile he qualified - really! Another, income method again, 12 x monthly transfers over 65K, the IO, although I argued, repeatedly stated he didn't qualify. After 2 1/2 hours waiting to see the senior officer, he couldn't see the problem. Turned out the first IO couldn't read English and had based his decision using the 'balance' column.

Just request a 12-month bank statement at your branch, Takes 5 days, so request in advance.

Immigration will only accept a statement issued by the bank that is stamped and signed. The banks will not stamp or sign your online printed statements.

Immigrations latest order 35/2561 dated Jan 2019 regarding financial requirements under section 2.22 - retirement, simply states you must provide financial evidence with regard to funds or income based applications. It doesn't stipulate bankbook/statement. They can request either or both at their discretion.

No he's not. An agent won't touch a Non O application based on Thai spouse, as these can only be approved by the regional office, not the local office.

Thank you, Jack. As another who attempts to give members the correct advice, you understand the issues and difficulties in providing such information when the term 'retirement visa' or 'marriage visa' are commonly used. Sometimes it may be obvious they are referring to an extension, or a visa, but not always.

Terminology - typo error Jack. Delete this post after your typo correction.

You're confusing the Non Imm O multiple entry visa with the Non Imm O-A visa. Non Immigrant Non O multiple entry Visa. Can be issued on the basis of retirement (+50) or Thai family/wife. Valid to enter Thailand for 12 months from the date of issue. Allows multiple entries of 90 days during the validity of the visa. The permit of stay can be extended one time on each entry for a further 60 days, for visiting Thai family/wife during the validity of the visa. You can stay for almost 15 months from a Non Imm O ME visa based on retirement, or 17 months with an additional 60 day extension based on Thai family/wife. Non Immigrant O-A multiple entry Visa. (Long stay) Only issued on the basis of retirement. (+50) Valid to enter Thailand for 12 months from the date of issue. Allows multiple entries of 1 year during the validity of the visa. If you exit and re-enter just before the 'enter before date' of this Visa type you will be granted a further 1 year permission of stay. You will however require a re-entry permit if you intend to leave and re-enter during this 2nd year permission of stay period. This because when the Visa expires on the 'enter before' date so does the multiple entry allowance, which is only valid for the duration of the Visas validity (1 year). You cannot obtain the Non Imm O-A visa within Thailand, only from a Country of which you are a national, or have permanent residency.

The only frustration I have is that folk don't use the correct terminology when asking a question, even though they claim to know the differences. In can then take several posts to establish the facts. You can't change a visa if you didn't enter with one in the place. Visa exempt, is entry without a visa. Entering as a 'Tourist' VE or TV entry you cannot apply for 1 year extensions, you must have Non Immigrant status. You can apply for a Non O at Immigration, which merely grants one Non Immigrant status. I think your IO have misunderstood your question and replied regarding a change in the 'reason' for an annual extension. For the second time, I'll post the financial requirements for applying for the Non O after entering as a Tourist, either VE or TV. There are only 2 options. Please point out the option accepting monthly overseas transfers to a Thai bank.

The Non O-A visa is applied for purely on the basis of retirement, not marriage. It's valid for 1 year to enter Thailand, multiple entry, and each entry granting a period of stay for 1 year up to the expiry date of the visa. You may have an issue thereafter applying for a 1-year extension based on Thai spouse, as the O-A is specifically based on retirement.

There is nothing in Immigration orders that states you cannot provide proof of income for the very first extension of stay, provided you can provide evidence of 12 x monthly overseas transfers to cover a one-year period. However, if you're not a UK, US or AUS national Immigration may (as mine does) insist on an Embassy Income letter.

No, it's the correct terminology. If you're asking a question or looking for advice on a forum, how can you expect to get the correct advice when using terms such as 'retirement visa'. What is a 'retirement visa'? A valid single entry Non Imm O visa. A valid multi entry Non Imm O visa. A valid multi entry Non Imm O-A visa. A 1 year extension of stay permit. For those with knowledge of Thai Immigration, it's frustrating and time-consuming to then establish exactly what an OP's Immigration status is, in order to give a correct answer. Just read back in this topic to find the misinformation posted because folk misinterpreted the meaning of a 'marriage visa' and wrongly assumed and gave replies referring to requirements for a 1 year extension of stay. You've missed the point of the topic. The OP is married to a Thai and intended to enter visa exempt, then take the courses of applying to change his Immigration status from entry as a 'Tourist' to that of a 'Non Immigrant' (Non O) by using the income method of monthly overseas transfers. IO's in this respect do not differ and follow the same procedure. It's a choice of either an Embassy Income letter as proof of income (which the OP can't obtain), or 400K funds deposit in a Thai bank.

400K yes, not 12 x monthly overseas transfers for a Non O application. Only Embassy income letters are accepted as proof of income. Your post is detailing both requirements for a 1-year extension and a Non O at the same time. You're on a 1-year extension of your permission of stay, for the reason of retirement. Your stamp is a 'permit' (of stay), not a visa. The STM2 form that you obviously signed without reading clearly states you are applying for a 'permit'. Your original Non expired a long time ago, but it gives you Non Immigrant status, as opposed to a tourist.

You're misquoting the OP. He never mentioned 'lifetime' VE entries. He stated;

I gave the OP the correct advice and information relative to his enquiry. Had the OP followed some of the advice (which was off topic as it related to annual extensions of stay), he would have been immensely disappointed and out of pocket to discover Immigration would not accept his proof of income.

Within the same post, as in yours it's irritating, but the same info spread over different posts in reply to different members - no! That wasn't the OP's question though, was it! Others joined in the topic with financial income requirements for annual extensions, which again wasn't the question. I understand what they are applying for, but do they know. Obviously not, if they state they are applying to extend their visa based on retirement/marriage. I never implied anyone is stupid. Regardless of agents and Immigration incorrectly using the phrase 'extend visa', it's important that the member realises that's not possible and what they are actually extending. There are those who have genuinely believed they've extended their visa, left the Country, only to receive a 30 day VE stamp on re-entry. A few have admitted their error, whilst I suspect a lot more haven't. The terminology used is important if you seek the correct information, it's not semantics. If folks only read the forms they complete it would be quite obvious what they are applying for, unfortunately they don't. Here's a question for you to answer, Connda; I have a retirement visa, but have to return to the UK for a family bereavement and wonder if I'll have a problem re-entering in a fortnight. I await your reply with bated breath!

Why on earth would anyone with a valid ME Non Imm O visa, want to enter visa exempt and obtain a 60-day stamp, when they can enter with the ME visa and receive a 90-day stamp. A single entry Non Imm O visa is 'used' on entry, but your Immigration status is Non Immigrant. To apply for a 1 year extension of stay, you must have Non Imm status. I haven't held a valid Non Imm O visa since 2014, but I've held permits allowing me to stay continuously for the last 10 years. It's no more than a scam.

For the Embassy Income letter you apply at the Norwegian Embassy in Bangkok. There is no Norwegian Embassy in Norway, only a Thai Embassy, where you could apply for an initial visa type with which to enter Thailand. You can't extend a visa, you extend the 90-day permission of stay, which is a permit, not a visa. You can apply for either a 1 year extension of your period of stay based on either Thai spouse, or retirement subject to the income stated on the Embassy letter. Immigration may request proof of your stated pension income.

The title, Marriage visa - proof of income was the header. The OP's question was detailed in his posts, which I clearly understood. It became confusing when members starting replying regarding requirements for the 1 year extension of stay. Mind you, whilst there are those that believe they are extending their 'visa' annually, then they themselves are already confused.