Pattaya Lous

one bottom line one fella needs to keep in mind - is that any move by us to get between mum and bub, is seen by the wife as 'hubby just wants a root' and thinking only of himself.

No matter what seemingly helpful (to you) any suggestion you come up with - it will always come back from her as SEX related.

For years'n'years later it will always rebound "you lub me too much"

So - you go down the other path, giving her as much room as you can bear - but she still won't forget the earlier transgressions...

Wifey's latest 'punishment' is to make herself 'unavailable'; by doing repeated, and sometimes extended 9+days of Vegan...

To her, Vegan means no meat, no sex or even hugging, for the entire number of days...

She found this trick from one of her 'helpful' girlfriends, who gave her the idea as a sneaky means of keeping away from intimacy for as long as she wanted...

If only one simply gave in to missus wishes, at the time she demanded her space with bub...

Sorry, but what a load of off topic crap.

May I ask, is your wife not trying to tell you something here? nothing to do with the baby

It's the Thai way for mothers to have offspring sleeping in the same bed, I have seen in the villages Thai mothers and four youngsters all sleeping in the same bed and the father sleeping on the floor next to the bed.

A few years ago when I was viewing houses to buy I remember looking at more than one house that had two and even three beds in the main bedroom, I was so curious one time I asked the Australian guy who was selling the house with his Thai wife why the three beds in the same room when you have two empty bedrooms? is there anything wrong with those rooms?

I put him on the spot a little bit as he was trying really hard to sell his house to me. His reply was my wife's children have always slept in the same room as us.

The kids were nine and eleven and still sleeping in the same room as the parents.

I asked the estate agent is this normal? apparently he see's it all the time.

I would discuss it with your wife and the midwife/hospital in the first instance, but I would say a newborn baby should be in your room from birth but I think you need to set a time scale and agree with your wife when the baby is to be moved into a separate room.

windows were shaking 5KLM away?????? come on lol

Absolute correct. The music travels over the water, and the bass is very loud and powerful. Why would I be making this up? I have seen this in multiple locations. At the Saraan hotel, at Sandalwood Villas, and at Vikasa, and the Best Western. This is no joke. These people are horrible creators of noise pollution.

Have you tried ear plugs 7/11 50B

As a country....good infrastructure, great weather ....so for me a fantastic place to live.

As to the Thai people....well, people are people, good and bad everywhere but my experience has been to meet people who generally have nothing but are willing to give ....especially of their hearts.......so again ....a fantastic place to live

Maybe apart from the homeless living on the streets there aren't any Thai people with nothing don't be fooled by poverty pleading, they choose not to live in posh houses or dress themselves in smart clothes because it is not important to then and dumping rubbish everywhere is their way.

Travel around the small villages meet some of the old mums you will discover they are not as poor as you are led to believe; I have met many from all parts of Thailand on my travels they own land and have a stash or cash they just choose not to spend it.

You say give their hearts but what are you actually getting?

What do they actually give?

But I agree a fantastic place to live.

Never said Thai people had nothing........I said "...generally have nothing"...meaning compared to the west and obviously NOT all Thai's....The Thai's I have met are generally poor....living paycheck to paycheck if their lucky enough to have a job! and those who don't have a job, they appear to live off the generosity of their neighbors, family and eat when they have food and when they don't .......they don't eat ....but seem to always have rice. Glad to hear that the old Mums in the villages have land and money (guess they don't have to send their daughters to Pattaya to help them survive)

When I say they give of their hearts...that's my perception....their helpful and offer their help when not asked (and insulted or hurt if you refuse their help whatever form it may take)

One old women from a slum area (at least to my western standard's it was ....many of the homes were just brick walls with corrugated tin roofs, no roads just alleyways meandering in and out) I was visiting once invited me into her home as she had never seen a farang in the area before. I tried to beg off gracefully but she wouldn't let me. It was some kind of honor for her to host a farang in her home (or so my friend told me).She couldn't walk so when she offered me something to drink and eat she motioned toward her refrigerator. Inside was some water and an apple (That was It!)....my friend I was with indicated to me that I couldn't refuse as such would be an insult to her. Her kindness was something I never experienced in the west and I wanted to help (give her a little money) ....again my friend said that would also insult her and that I shouldn't.

Have many more heartfelt stories of Thai's showing kindness to me for no other reason than to be kind...

So the Thailand I live in is obviously different from the one you and many TV posters live in ......good or bad? don't know....but for me its been Fantastic and have no regrets living here.

Yes they do send their daughters to Pattaya and many other places in Thailand because they want more and more it's easy money.

Why do they let you stay in Thailand?

Because they want your Money and your Knowledge

Just look at the immigration criteria; if you do not have a certain amount of cash in the bank or cash coming in to the country to support yourself and to spend here you are not welcome and you cannot obtain a visa to stay and you are out.

well she hasnt for the last 7 years,

my wife works very very hard on our farm,

why do some on here try to kick people in the b£lls who are happy and doing well,

they cant bare to see some one who is happy with there wife and children,, have to try and have a little swipe,,

i dont understand it,,,,,

Some women are attractive and some are not

Some choose to work on farms and some do not

It depends on what you are happy with

As a country....good infrastructure, great weather ....so for me a fantastic place to live.

As to the Thai people....well, people are people, good and bad everywhere but my experience has been to meet people who generally have nothing but are willing to give ....especially of their hearts.......so again ....a fantastic place to live

Maybe apart from the homeless living on the streets there aren't any Thai people with nothing don't be fooled by poverty pleading, they choose not to live in posh houses or dress themselves in smart clothes because it is not important to then and dumping rubbish everywhere is their way.

Travel around the small villages meet some of the old mums you will discover they are not as poor as you are led to believe; I have met many from all parts of Thailand on my travels they own land and have a stash or cash they just choose not to spend it.

You say give their hearts but what are you actually getting?

What do they actually give?

But I agree a fantastic place to live.

wow! you really dont understand "give their hearts"?

No - please explain to me

As a country....good infrastructure, great weather ....so for me a fantastic place to live.

As to the Thai people....well, people are people, good and bad everywhere but my experience has been to meet people who generally have nothing but are willing to give ....especially of their hearts.......so again ....a fantastic place to live

Maybe apart from the homeless living on the streets there aren't any Thai people with nothing don't be fooled by poverty pleading, they choose not to live in posh houses or dress themselves in smart clothes because it is not important to then and dumping rubbish everywhere is their way.

Travel around the small villages meet some of the old mums you will discover they are not as poor as you are led to believe; I have met many from all parts of Thailand on my travels they own land and have a stash or cash they just choose not to spend it.

You say give their hearts but what are you actually getting?

What do they actually give?

But I agree a fantastic place to live.

I would add: A Thai lady taking care of a foreigner although they may love you very much is viewed in their mind as work and they expect payment of some kind "my view/opinion" the love that we find here in Thailand is "conditional Love" not "unconditional love"; but I now accept this fact and it is fine by me and I enjoy it everyday.

Foreign men generally aren't treated any different to Thai men, by Thai women.

The main problem being the foreign guy can't own his own house and the Thai guy can.

The only one to give a man unconditional love, anywhere in the world, is his dog.

OK maybe I agree but there are certain things I would rather be doing with my lady than my dog; ha each to his own what ever turns you on though, they say you can get anything in Thailand

to poster 'JAFO".............you are of course right in the posts you have made.Statements are often made in a generalised way"...as many of mine are,but i always think readers will figure this out.

your comment"choose your woman carefully" is spot on.The point about thais "will always put their family first" is also true.you and i will always be a poor second,its their culture and we just have to remember this.

Excellent summing up and all very relevant to the subject of "Define Living in Thailand"

I would add: A Thai lady taking care of a foreigner although they may love you very much is viewed in their mind as work and they expect payment of some kind "my view/opinion" the love that we find here in Thailand is "conditional Love" not "unconditional love"; but I now accept this fact and it is fine by me and I enjoy it everyday.

Look at your finances how much it cost you to live alone and how much does it cost you to live with your partner?

Take out of the equation all the expenses like buying food and living essentials for two instead of one.

Where has the extra money gone - to the family? but if that makes you happy then carry on doing it that's your choice and I would say that's good for you or should I say "up to you".

Again only my opinion if you are paying you want the best not second best for your money, there are thousands of beautiful caring women here that only want the same as the not so attractive one's.

I sometimes think to my self in a moment of madness "I've found somebody different" - so my little test is I ask her to ask her MUM to help me raise money for a sick relative of mine back in my home country and will her Mum/Family contribute 1000B to the very expensive medical bills - many times my lady of the moment will offer to pay but never once has the mum offered and sometimes my lady is scolded for even asking the question some lady's are even to scared to ask mum.

I keep saying enjoy it for what it is don't try to change or mould to your ways you will be much happier living in Thailand.

I would describe living in thailand as 'DANGEROUS"

You have to keep your wits about you.Its dangerous on the roads.The ladies are dangerous,always ready to suck you dry(no pun intended) for the sake of their family.Yes they will love you for(taking care) but thats all.

Posted by a bitter and twisted old man with no where to go!

My definition of living in Thailand:

I agree with you 100% "DANGEROUS" especially regarding the ladies; I have lived with ladies from different backgrounds Bar Girls, Bank Girls, Girls that work in hotels my Dentist and they are all lovely; but at the end of the day the reality check is they all want your "money honey", and they are all under pressure from their family's - Mum, Dad (if he's about) big sisters and big brothers that don't want to work but stay at home "looking after mum" can put a lot of pressure on younger siblings to get as much money as possible by whatever means possible and it's not only Bar Girls the family's seem to turn a blind eye to the ways money is obtained.

I must say though possibly we created this problem by feeling sorry for them and giving them too muck for many years, like most humans the more you get the more you want.

As you say keep your wits about you, keep a check on your wallet, stay away from the holiday idiots, obey the laws, and you we will be OK and can have a great life for small money.

Posted by another bitter and twisted grumpy middle aged man! BUT when I really think about it I can honestly say I am actually enjoying every minute of my life living in Thailand.

I live Thailand nine months which I now call my home and two/three months in the country where my family live this works well for me and every time I travel I just can't wait to get back to my home in Thailand we are all very fortunate to be able to live and play like we want to.

I don't mean to take this thread off on a tangent but it is really quite sad about the image being portrayed by foreigners about ALL Thai woman. They are all not like that. In fact the greater portion are not. A few years after I moved here for a western company(7 years or so back) I dated a gal who was a manager at Tesco. When I met her family for her sisters wedding they were far better off then I was. There was no agenda to marry a foreigner to make her life or her families life better. Now fast forward and while that relationship did not work a few years after I met another gal. 3 years ago we married. She was/is fully self sufficient and has her own home and land which we live on. Her extended family all live quite comfortably and have no need for my money.

Once you get out of those high, target rich environments, of Pattaya, Phuket and parts of BKK they are just people like anywhere else without agendas. These statements tell me foreigners need to chose their women carefully just like anywhere else in the world.

Posted by quite a happy man living an easy life in Thailand with a great wife, good friends and nice family.

People might not like it but it is a fact and a big part of the definition of living in Thailand and that is what this board is about.

I have been here ten years living all over Thailand and this has been my experience in all places that I have lived and visited, and yes I meet people all the time very much in denial of the facts. One of the reasons me and my friends are so happy living here is because we accept things for what they are and do not try to change or mould anything.

I would describe living in thailand as 'DANGEROUS"

You have to keep your wits about you.Its dangerous on the roads.The ladies are dangerous,always ready to suck you dry(no pun intended) for the sake of their family.Yes they will love you for(taking care) but thats all.

Posted by a bitter and twisted old man with no where to go!

My definition of living in Thailand:

I agree with you 100% "DANGEROUS" especially regarding the ladies; I have lived with ladies from different backgrounds Bar Girls, Bank Girls, Girls that work in hotels my Dentist and they are all lovely; but at the end of the day the reality check is they all want your "money honey", and they are all under pressure from their family's - Mum, Dad (if he's about) big sisters and big brothers that don't want to work but stay at home "looking after mum" can put a lot of pressure on younger siblings to get as much money as possible by whatever means possible and it's not only Bar Girls the family's seem to turn a blind eye to the ways money is obtained.

I must say though possibly we created this problem by feeling sorry for them and giving them too muck for many years, like most humans the more you get the more you want.

As you say keep your wits about you, keep a check on your wallet, stay away from the holiday idiots, obey the laws, and you we will be OK and can have a great life for small money.

Posted by another bitter and twisted grumpy middle aged man! BUT when I really think about it I can honestly say I am actually enjoying every minute of my life living in Thailand.

I live Thailand nine months which I now call my home and two/three months in the country where my family live this works well for me and every time I travel I just can't wait to get back to my home in Thailand we are all very fortunate to be able to live and play like we want to.

If she's hot, I'll take her of your hands, I don't care about talking. Actually I prefer they shut up all the time.

Good for them to shut up mostly talk rubbish anyway

Sorry to be negative but there are many wannabe experts giving advice on this subject and their facts are completely incorrect and confusion is setting in.

My suggestion would be; If you want the correct advice visit your local immigration office and ask your questions, generally they are very helpful, but the staff will not appreciate hearing your ideas on changing the system to accommodate your needs; it is their country and we have to fit in with them.

Just stick to the rules and you will not find yourself in this mess, many foreigners think they don't have to worry about obeying the rules and then start winging when the rules are enforced. 

If you don't understand something ask at immigration and they will make it easy for you to complete the application and obtain the visa that you require. Thailand wants foreigners to retire here and spend their money in their country, you do not need to pay expensive agents to carry out a task that is very simple to complete at a very small cost and only takes a few hours of your time, it goes wrong when people try to bend the rules or think they are exempt from the law. It is the same situation in every country that I have ever visited Thailand is no different, the "drama" is created by people wanting to do their own thing and not bothering to find out all the important details and the rules at the point of application.

You have chosen to live in in a foreign country so obey the rules of that country no drama simple, and if the rules change you have to change it is their country.

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Installed a Jacuzzi bath and was looking at electric hot water tanks and they were priced at about 15000 baht for a 150 litre tank. The if you take about six hours to heat up the water and do not get a bath then you have wasted money. I then found a gas (lpg) water heater for about 5500 baht from Home Pro plus about 2600 for the bottle and gas. The hot water is virtually instant, not sure it would supply a full house, has to be supplied by pump as village water is not sufficient pressure to operate. Depending on how hot the water is going into the heater to fill a 120 liter bath takes about 30 minutes. There is a 20 minute safety cut-out but you just turn of the water and it resets itself. My Jacuzzi bath is outside but I have piped the hot water inside to the kitchen but my girlfriend still likes to wash the dishes in cold water. I did buy a lot of copper pipe for the hot water but had trouble brazing it. In reality 50 degrees c is very hot as 36 degrees is hot enough for a bath and the blue water pipe can stand 50 degrees. So I used plastic pipe and up to now I have had no problems. Not how much a bath fill costs but I am sure it is less than 10 baht.

Please do not buy from DIY centers you are wasting your time and money the heaters are designed for small demand applications; not Jacuzzi baths or high demand showers and will only supply one outlet at any one time.

You are giving dangerous advice when you describe how to override the safety cut-out it is fitted to the heaters for the purpose of preventing a dangerous build up concentration of products of combustion from the flueing system and should not tampered with or overridden.

It is best practice to install protected copper pipes they are easily joined by the method of soft soldering using correct flux and lead free solder (not brazing).

There is only one LPG multi point water heater available in Thailand that has adequate performance for the purpose of supplying a bath and high performance showers 32L/min @ 50deg C - can fill a 120L bath in under four mins.

I have just recently installed one into my own house and supervised the installation of a second into a high end new build property. The property developer was so impressed with the performance and economy he has change the design in seven new properties so that multi point gas water heaters can be installed I am to supervise all of the design and installation. I will report back TVF when the work is complete for anybody who is interested.

It is very important that the planning of an installation is correct in the early stages of a new build - pipe sizing - water supply - and location of appliance are the key to a good trouble free installation that will maintain top performance for many years, and save you money in running costs.

I guess we are all on a learning curve so I have took your advice as I thought it was just a timer to prevent people leaving the hot water running and forgetting about it. I did not realise by turning off the water after it ran cold and turning it back on again that I was overriding anything. So now before it cuts out after 20 minutes I turn off the water and turning it back on again so it never cuts out again. Is there a recommended time if It cuts out before I am allowed to turn it back on again? The heater is installed outside well away from the house so hopefully there should not be too much of a dangerous build up concentration of products of combustion.

I only live in a rented property so I could not justify spending many more times what I spent on a more expensive system but I do feel safer in the bath than I do in the showers that are probably not earthed like the four levels of protection I have used with the Jacuzzi Bath.

Thanks for the advice.

LPG (Gas Appliances) are very safe to use if installed and maintained correctly in line with their manufacturers installation instructions.

If the appliance has been installed outside of the house your main concern is to ensure products of combustion cannot re-enter the property via doors, windows etc. when the appliance is in operation.

Products of combustion from burnt Gas or any other Fossil fuel can contain Carbon Monoxide (CO) which is poisonous to humans if the appliance has not been installed or maintained correctly.

We always install a Carbon Monoxide (CO) detector inside the property to sound an alarm before the levels of CO can build up to any significant level.

Don't waste your time and money.

You will loose performance and their life will be reduced, and you will never use the transformer again.

Buy new when you can afford to do so, electrical appliances can be purchased very cheaply here if you shop around.

Installed a Jacuzzi bath and was looking at electric hot water tanks and they were priced at about 15000 baht for a 150 litre tank. The if you take about six hours to heat up the water and do not get a bath then you have wasted money. I then found a gas (lpg) water heater for about 5500 baht from Home Pro plus about 2600 for the bottle and gas. The hot water is virtually instant, not sure it would supply a full house, has to be supplied by pump as village water is not sufficient pressure to operate. Depending on how hot the water is going into the heater to fill a 120 liter bath takes about 30 minutes. There is a 20 minute safety cut-out but you just turn of the water and it resets itself. My Jacuzzi bath is outside but I have piped the hot water inside to the kitchen but my girlfriend still likes to wash the dishes in cold water. I did buy a lot of copper pipe for the hot water but had trouble brazing it. In reality 50 degrees c is very hot as 36 degrees is hot enough for a bath and the blue water pipe can stand 50 degrees. So I used plastic pipe and up to now I have had no problems. Not how much a bath fill costs but I am sure it is less than 10 baht.

Please do not buy from DIY centers you are wasting your time and money the heaters are designed for small demand applications; not Jacuzzi baths or high demand showers and will only supply one outlet at any one time.

You are giving dangerous advice when you describe how to override the safety cut-out it is fitted to the heaters for the purpose of preventing a dangerous build up concentration of products of combustion from the flueing system and should not tampered with or overridden.

It is best practice to install protected copper pipes they are easily joined by the method of soft soldering using correct flux and lead free solder (not brazing).

There is only one LPG multi point water heater available in Thailand that has adequate performance for the purpose of supplying a bath and high performance showers 32L/min @ 50deg C - can fill a 120L bath in under four mins.

I have just recently installed one into my own house and supervised the installation of a second into a high end new build property. The property developer was so impressed with the performance and economy he has change the design in seven new properties so that multi point gas water heaters can be installed I am to supervise all of the design and installation. I will report back TVF when the work is complete for anybody who is interested.

It is very important that the planning of an installation is correct in the early stages of a new build - pipe sizing - water supply - and location of appliance are the key to a good trouble free installation that will maintain top performance for many years, and save you money in running costs.

Looks like a lot of foreigners are either leaving or will have to get married, have a child or get a retirement visa.

condos will be selling for peanuts soon

Sounds about right they are only worth peanuts.

Maybe this will also keep out some of the criminals hiding here on in/out visa's or to worried to apply in their own country through the correct process.

I always ask myself, so assuming you werent marrying a bargirl half your age,

how would you go abouts protecting yourself so people dont say "see, I told you so!"

because one day thai wife could decide to cheat on you, and decides selfishly that you should be out on your <deleted>,

and its the house that you bought with your own money that had to be put in her name to buy it

what else could he have done????

I dont know im afraid

Please stop this get good legal advice if you don't want to listen to me.

To have control of a house in Thailand you do not need to buy in your wife's name.

Great looking bike and always been a fan of the r1.

For me the only thing that lets down the look is the exhaust.

How cool would it be with these pipes?

Hi UKJASE,

I have installed in many houses in the UK Multipoint instantaneous gas water heaters supplying the whole house with constant hot water a very efficient way of heating water.

I am planning a similar project in my home here - Hot water for the whole house from a instantaneous Multipoint water heater fuelled by LPG (bottled gas) no electrical connections required, so no loss of hot water when the power supply goes off.

One thing to consider with this type of installation you will require a connection to mains water pressure or alternatively and what I consider to be the better option a cold water storage tank with sufficient head of pressure to operate the heater.

If you are interested send me a private message and I will explain what I am planning in more detail.

Forget condo's/flats noisy concrete box living.

They are 10 a penny now in Thailand, fact: you have no control over the land that it is built on, and if it is decided to demolish the block for whatever reason you will have very little say in the matter.

If you are planning long term living in Thailand: Stretch your budget a little if you can, and invest in a house you may not make millions but you will never loose your investment if you do your homework and buy in the right area.

I have been buying and selling houses in the UK for the last 30 years and my parents before me; never lost a penny.

I have been buying and selling houses in Thailand for the last 10 years; never lost a Baht.

"Forget condo's/flats noisy concrete box living." From time to time there are condos being refurbished but in a well managed condominium there are rules that normally restrict the hours and days upon which working is allowed, as I recall where I had a condo there was no refurbishment allowed for about 3 weeks over Songkran, same for Christmas, New Year and Chinese New Year.

"They are 10 a penny now in Thailand, fact: you have no control over the land that it is built on, and if it is decided to demolish the block for whatever reason you will have very little say in the matter.", If you own a condo then you own a proportion of the condominiums common property including the land, the property is governed by a committee elected by the co-owners and many decisions have to be voted on at a meeting (AGM or EGM) open to all co-owners, I can not see any co-owner voting to demolish the building unless some developer had offered a lot more money than it was worth an all co-owners would benefit equally.

"If you are planning long term living in Thailand: Stretch your budget a little if you can, and invest in a house you may not make millions but you will never loose your investment if you do your homework and buy in the right area." Rubbish, as an alien you can not own the land it is built on.

please do not make posts that are total rubbish as you doing a total disservice to Pattaya's honourable dishonourable real estate agents who are more capable of putting the same misleading information more convincingly when it suites their interest.

I could go into much greater detail but trying to keep it simple.

your first point noise - did those rules include screaming kids and bad neighbours? Noisy water systems and banging doors? Cars and Motor Bikes pulling up at all hours?

Second point owners own a very small proportion of common property.

Three; as the director of the company that owns the land you have the controlling interest in law.

fact: you have no control over the land that it is built on, and if it is decided to demolish the block for whatever reason you will have very little say in the matter.

That's absolutely wrong! There is not 1 owner of the land (who could sell it) but every apartment owner is also owner of the land in the same proportion than his apartment in the condo, as written on the chanote. Every decision about the land itself must be taken in AGM by owners and require a majority of 3/4. Risk is 0.000001%

There is a risk.

Check the deed for the land.

The land is owned normally by a Thai Company and the condo owners only own their interior space.

Owners cannot change the building in any way.

The owners can hold as many AGM's as they like but if it is decided to demolish the block there is little that owners can do as percentage owners.

Forget condo's/flats noisy concrete box living.

They are 10 a penny now in Thailand, fact: you have no control over the land that it is built on, and if it is decided to demolish the block for whatever reason you will have very little say in the matter.

If you are planning long term living in Thailand: Stretch your budget a little if you can, and invest in a house you may not make millions but you will never loose your investment if you do your homework and buy in the right area.

I have been buying and selling houses in the UK for the last 30 years and my parents before me; never lost a penny.

I have been buying and selling houses in Thailand for the last 10 years; never lost a Baht.

Hi Jp,

You sound like an intelligent person in most of your words and I am assuming you are Male but you could be female; I do not think you are asking for advice I think you are looking for opinions, from people who have been there done that; so this is mine before I read any other replies.

I think there are a few chinks in your armour:

You say: “I'm a successful executive, in shape and Thai women (good and "bad") seem to think I'm attractive.” – Thai women say this to most of us wherever you go in Thailand bars and clubs.

You say: “Armed with all this, my attitude has been to "party" and satisfy my carnal desires spanning over a decade now and had great fun...” – Most of us have done this at some point and have now found a special person to settle with and we are now living a very different life here. Some it suits but some it does not suit, many are happier doing what they did before and there is nothing wrong with that if it’s good for they; enjoy your life in doing what you want to do and what gives you happiness.

You say: “Well, during my last trip to Bangkok recently, I met a girl I can't keep out of my” – living in Thailand this happens a lot as there are so many beautiful available women here you are not alone in this, sit down have a cup of coffee or tea and think it through what are the consequences short and long term, and then do what you want to do to make yourself happy and deal with the consequences. One word of warning MONEY how much can you afford to loose if it goes wrong? Slowly with your spending don’t buy her houses, cars etc at this time, stick to gold and inexpensive items, beware of gold though a lot of it here is crap quality and is only worth scrap value if you want to sell.

You say: “I am grasping for a possibility that she is a "good girl" “She has since left that club and serving as a waitress in one of bars near Nana where she used to work before. She may have been fired because of me. She never asked for money, but I gave her some before leaving the country.” – remember Bar Girls are in it for the money it is their job and it is their income if they don’t get money they don’t eat, buy new cloths or put a roof over their heads, so they will say and do whatever is needed to get as much money as quickly as possible because their working career is short, but in saying that there are some really nice caring people working in the bars of Thailand but there are also many sharks, and find her young before her mind has been moulded/corrupted and there is not the complication and expense of babies to consider.

You say “I'm 44, but pass for 35” – did she tell you this? because I must have heard this said a million times.

You say “She doesn't speak English” “saying she is studying English for me” – no problem, she will learn quickly in conversation with you and it means she’s not been here to long.

You say “wants a "passport",... – No problem buy her a passport 1,050B takes about a week to be issued if she has a valid up to date ID card and an address to send it to. Just find a passport issuing office she completes the form (your details are not required), has her photo taken pay your money all done and her passport arrives by post, she will be over the moon with what you have done for her. This will also give you a slight indication of her past history with the authorities.

You say “She doesn't dress like a working girl, but a bit risqué when we went out.” – Surely you want your lady to look good when she is out with you, I’m sure you wouldn't want to see her dressed in flip flops and Tshirt as if she’s ready to start the decorating?

Maybe ask her (not tell her) to dress in a way that pleases you and is comfortable for her, buy her some new clothes that you both like, shop in the right places and it will cost you next to nothing and much better then giving her cash.

Only my opinion