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You can leave it in my garage 500B a week if you are interested - you will have peace of mind that it is safe

Right, but as I stated, I'm not bringing prostitutes to my room. These are girls I'm dating-gigs. Usually meet for dinner or movie first, or at least a coffee before coming back to the condo. Don't think any of them would go for it If I recommend meeting them for an hour or two at a short time room, and might get a slushy drink poured over my head for even asking haha

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"at least a coffee"

Coffee, tea or me? You old romantic.

May I ask, do you pay them? if yes then they are prostitutes

In ten years never met a girl in Pattaya that has not accepted cash after a date as you put it, and I have dated girls that have day jobs in a banks, supermarkets, vet's, a nurse from the hospital and hotel staff.

Some people just talk Boll_ _ _ _ and its normally do gooders and people not willing to stand up for themselves. We all have rights one of which is to live a peaceful happy life.

Have you got endless money are you going to keep moving house all your life due to your neighbors bad behavior.

In my home country the government passed a law called ASBO to tackle this very issue of neighbors behaving badly and affecting the quality of life for others this includes their kids of any age.

In many cases it is not the kids fault it is the fault of the parents and in my home country they can be dealt with by the law.

Parents with screaming unruly brats should be held to account for their actions and the disturbance that they cause; why should we have to suffer their noise and bad behavior because the parents have not got the skills to control or pacify their kids of whatever age.

This can go on for years if nothing is done and saying sorry does not help the situation; history repeats itself over and over generation after generation.

Well, now I see your problem (aside from being an insular, intolerant person); You misunderstand ASBO, and you think because of it's existence that you have extra rights.

ASBO was never conceived to be used to quiet a crying baby, and would never be used so. If you think marginally criminal behaviour/ anti-social behaviour such as public defecation, exhibitionist public sex, and graffiti are in the same league as the involuntary crying of a baby, then you need to get therapy.

The problem with some low class people is that when the government gives them certain rights, with their low-class education and some bush lawyer mentality they try to extend those rights, sometimes to the ridiculous, It's their low class grasping nature...gimme gimme gimme.

greytown,

You need to do a bit of research before you make yourself look so stupid on public forum; ASBO was designed and implemented for this very reason of bad inadequate parenting where their kids are unreasonably disturbing others, obviously it's not the child’s fault and if you read the posts carefully you will realise we are saying it is the fault of the inadequate Parents for not controlling or pacifying their brats.

Why should we suffer the disturbance of these kids; action can and should be taken against the parents or encourage them to seek help with their issues, and ASBO has been used many times for this very purpose have a look at the published facts.

Low class people as you put it are normally the very people that we are complaining about.

I give every member of our condo staff an envelope with 500 Baht on New Year. Seems that "buying a beer for the security guy" puts him in a death trap, as others also posted that he is not allowed to drink beer while on duty.

How about handing each of them 1000 THB inside an envelope and wishing them "Chok dee pee mai" ( Happy New Year) ? They will probably be all smiles to you every next time you enter.

You can give them 20,000B if you want to waste your money they will turn on you when the time is right 100% that is what they do.

I give every member of our condo staff an envelope with 500 Baht on New Year. Seems that "buying a beer for the security guy" puts him in a death trap, as others also posted that he is not allowed to drink beer while on duty.

How about handing each of them 1000 THB inside an envelope and wishing them "Chok dee pee mai" ( Happy New Year) ? They will probably be all smiles to you every next time you enter.

You can give them 20,000B if you want to waste your money they will turn on you when the time is right 100% that is what they do.

Ever heard the phrase "dont sh** on your own doorstep".

Yes, I know the phrase well.

So what's the answer, don't bring anyone back unless she's wife or girlfriend? I'm recently single, so don't have a gf yet. The people who visit me aren't tarts.

garet,

If you want to F _ _ _ _ Whore's - Prostitutes (an woman that has sex with many/anyone - one who will perform sexual acts if payment is arranged) like I did, then carry on but my advice for what it's worth do it somewhere else you can get a room for one night 200B - 300B clean, tidy and safe.

If you continue to use your home as a knocking shop you will cause yourself endless problems for many years to come.

When you finally find a decent girlfriend if that is what you are looking for you may develop a feeling of disgust for your own home with all the memories, the security guards will 100% grass you up to your new girlfriend if they see you enjoying yourself or they think you are in love, the cleaners will tell on you and anybody else who works at the condo and meets your new girlfriend, you will always be looking over your shoulder and wondering every time she pops out to 7/11 to buy some milk when she returns what has she found out, and you will be in the s _ _ _, girlfriends do not like being reminded of your past.

My comments may appear harsh but they are meant with the best intentions; but if you don't care and don't intend having a decent girlfriend then carry on mate you will have a great time a few horror's along the way, but who cares and don't care who knows or who see's you hold your head up high you are doing what you want to do with your life; and they are very jealous of you.

One last thing; Also keep in the back of your mind to protect your sanity these lovely little ladies want you for your money.

https://www.dropbox.com/l/zWmVfAw7arlTRZ2O0OfABt?

I recorded this audio file this morning. This is what I have been enduring for the last 2 months, almost every day, almost 2x per day, 5 days per week. Can anyone still say that this is normal?

And I am not going to be civil anymore. I tried that for 2 months and its getting me nowhere. I have to think about myself too. All because a someone wishes to have a child and that person know what kind of child it is yet she still moved in this condo knowing fully that it would disturb other people. That is selfish. What is even more selfish is the father. He wants nothing to do with that child and now I have to deal with that mess because he does not want to take responsibility.

Well done mate good to see somebody who is willing to stand up and protect their quality of life from inconsiderate people.

Anybody interested: Please listen to the audio at what this poor guy has had to endure for months.

People who choose to live alone are entilted to privacy and peaceful living.

My opinion and I have been in construction and build for thirty years: Condo's in Thailand are not suitable for raising children. The way they have been constructed and designed are for single people or couple living. Please ask any honest developer here.

Are two and three bedroomed Condo units for Single people of couples too? might the swings and children play area in my Condo really be there to attract single folk and adults ?

There problem here is simply city living... it is to be expected that noise will transfer through a building, the cheaper the build, the more noise will be transmitted.

With houses the issue is the neighbours dog barking or kids playing noisily in the garden...

Noise from other people is a fact of life - for the most part there are no guarantees of escaping noise within a city.

Having listened to the Op's sound bite I agree that the noise is pretty horrific, but so are his outbursts of frustration in slamming the wall (which I assume the sound is at times)...

Op: You are not going to win this one by fighting it... Suck it up, move on... Are you in an Apartment or Condo? Is it feasible to move to a different room on another floor and maintain your deposit etc ?

The swings are there as a sales gimmick to make you feel that the building is child friendly I have seen this tactic used many times to sell properties – flats/condo’s are not suitable for raising children the way they are built in Thailand…. – research high rise city slums the world over and why many governments are now demolishing them because they are a big source of anti social behaviour from parents and children.

All the three bedroom flats/condo’s I have ever seen the third bedroom is so small that it can only be used as storage or a small office, you will never get a full size bed and cupboards in there and then have room for the kid to play and have their toys etc. so again they have no space of their own the main contributor to the cause of this problem people and their own space.

I do not have a problem with reasonable noise transferring through the building it’s the unreasonable noise as in this case that we are discussing here is not acceptable.

You will win this if you stick at it complain everyday to them and the management that they are being unreasonably noisy. Go over the building management contact the building owners say you are going to put your story in the local news.

What a stupid, stupid, suggestion to “Suck it up, move on” to a different room – you are then moving the problem not solving it; what happens when new people move in and it all starts over again because the mother gets away with it and thinks it’s ok so does nothing about it and adopts the attitude don’t have to keep the brat quiet they’ll bang on the door for a few weeks and then move on, and then tells her mates just ignore the ding dong falungs they will move away in a few weeks.

Ok, thanks for the comments, it helps to remove any doubt that anything can be done about it. As for accusing directly - not something I would ever think of doing, no matter how sure I may be. Yeah - schoolboy error leaving cash in the room at all, should know better by now!

PS are you serious that this post can be seen as an allegation CMSteve? - i'm assuming it's under conditions of anonymity/hypothetical question. I guess you mean if the guy himself was to see it, right?

Rubbish something can and must be done about it why has Thailand got such a bad name? because decent people don't do anything to improve things.

^{You must report it to the Police and let them try to sort it out thats why they are there.}

^{You will go round and round on this site asking advice and never know who it was and for evermore you will be thinking was it them or did the B/F take it to feed some habit that I don't know about and this will cause you more stress.}

^{If it was me I would want to know one way or the other and the safest way for that to happen is to call the police; you are then not accusing anybody you are reporting a crime and asking them to do their job; they may even have a history of theft being reported before in the same building.}

^{Please don’t listen to the Willie warmers that are scared of their own shadow who say suffer and move on that attitude is one reason why crime continues, and if thats the case why bother having a police force if crimes are not reported; the perpetrator of the crime against you will do it again and again they do stop if they get away with it.}

https://www.dropbox.com/l/zWmVfAw7arlTRZ2O0OfABt?

I recorded this audio file this morning. This is what I have been enduring for the last 2 months, almost every day, almost 2x per day, 5 days per week. Can anyone still say that this is normal?

And I am not going to be civil anymore. I tried that for 2 months and its getting me nowhere. I have to think about myself too. All because a someone wishes to have a child and that person know what kind of child it is yet she still moved in this condo knowing fully that it would disturb other people. That is selfish. What is even more selfish is the father. He wants nothing to do with that child and now I have to deal with that mess because he does not want to take responsibility.

Well done mate good to see somebody who is willing to stand up and protect their quality of life from inconsiderate people.

Anybody interested: Please listen to the audio at what this poor guy has had to endure for months.

People who choose to live alone are entilted to privacy and peaceful living.

My opinion and I have been in construction and build for thirty years: Condo's in Thailand are not suitable for raising children. The way they have been constructed and designed are for single people or couple living. Please ask any honest developer here.

^{You must report it to the Police and let them try to sort it out thats why they are there.}

^{You will go round and round on this site asking advice and never know who it was and for evermore you will be thinking was it them or did the B/F take it to feed some habit that I don't know about and this will cause you more stress.}

^{If it was me I would want to know one way or the other and the safest way for that to happen is to call the police; you are then not accusing anybody you are reporting a crime and asking them to do their job; they may even have a history of theft being reported before in the same building.}

^{Please don’t listen to the Willie warmers that are scared of their own shadow who say suffer and move on that attitude is one reason why crime continues, and if thats the case why bother having a police force if crimes are not reported; the perpetrator of the crime against you will do it again and again they do stop if they get away with it.}

Some people just talk Boll_ _ _ _ and its normally do gooders and people not willing to stand up for themselves. We all have rights one of which is to live a peaceful happy life.

Have you got endless money are you going to keep moving house all your life due to your neighbors bad behavior.

In my home country the government passed a law called ASBO to tackle this very issue of neighbors behaving badly and affecting the quality of life for others this includes their kids of any age.

In many cases it is not the kids fault it is the fault of the parents and in my home country they can be dealt with by the law.

Parents with screaming unruly brats should be held to account for their actions and the disturbance that they cause; why should we have to suffer their noise and bad behavior because the parents have not got the skills to control or pacify their kids of whatever age.

This can go on for years if nothing is done and saying sorry does not help the situation; history repeats itself over and over generation after generation.

I don't know if the UK ASBO system has worked very well. Though when dealing with borderline criminal behaviour there certainly needs to be rules in place. But what happens when everyone takes a hostile stance by default when dealing with others? You get nothing but hate and intolerance all around. One big nasty mess.

In the past couple of years I've had a few problem neighbours and I attribute this to people's increased intolerance and even shear contempt for anybody else. Pure selfishness and hatred everywhere. The only way to improve things is to break this cycle and turn things around. Do something unselfish. Easy to say but surely not easy to do.

So while you are saving humanity almost single handed it seems because I cant see much support for your view, we have to endure bad noisy neighbors and their screaming out of control brats.

The ASBO system is working very well it has been in place for a few years now and the r soles it was designed to control are starting to behave like decent considerate humans again: take a look at the stats they are openly published for all to see.

Certain people will behave badly if they think they can get away with it.

I think its extremely selfish to think she wants me to carry the burden of her child too. She should have thought of that before moving in or better yet before having kids

Hmm anti social much?

This is what happens when society breaks down and everyone is alienated from one another. Intolerance festers and everything turns to sh*t. We as humans are called to look after one another, to be our brother's keeper.

In a perfect world the reaction should be: how can I help this lady calm her child? Not, should I call the police?

"DO GOODER ALERT" "DO GOODER ALERT"

Get out more mate go to places where there are young women with kids and you will see bad parenting, bad behavior and bad manners and the mother and father doing nothing or shouting at the kids and the kids ignoring them.

Realize you just cannot help some people especially some mothers they seem to be immune to their offsprings noise and bad behavior.

It's bad parenting the same if you are in a restaurant and on the next table there is an unruley kid noisey and running around do you say;

"how can I help this lady calm her child"

You will get abuse from her "F off and stop interfering" and there will be nothing you can do about it apart from shut up and grin and bear it and have a miserable night out.

Yeah I know it's terrible to be a do gooder. Much easier to just follow the first impulse and start bitchin'.

I've had problem neighbours a few times and as much as I wished I had handled things with great tact and civility, I did not. In one situation we were either going to kill each other (slight exaggeration here) or someone was going to have to move. So I moved. It can be hard as hell to do GOOD sometimes. Much easier said than done. But I think it is the right thing to do if we can find the actual strength to do it.

Some people just talk Boll_ _ _ _ and its normally do gooders and people not willing to stand up for themselves. We all have rights one of which is to live a peaceful happy life.

Have you got endless money are you going to keep moving house all your life due to your neighbors bad behavior.

In my home country the government passed a law called ASBO to tackle this very issue of neighbors behaving badly and affecting the quality of life for others this includes their kids of any age.

In many cases it is not the kids fault it is the fault of the parents and in my home country they can be dealt with by the law.

Parents with screaming unruly brats should be held to account for their actions and the disturbance that they cause; why should we have to suffer their noise and bad behavior because the parents have not got the skills to control or pacify their kids of whatever age.

This can go on for years if nothing is done and saying sorry does not help the situation; history repeats itself over and over generation after generation.

The post that I am referring to has been removed and rightly so well done to the administrators at Thai Visa Forum.

I seem to be surrounded by 24hour flip flop wearing idiots handing over large cash sums at every opportunity without thinking it through and considering the consequences of their actions if things go wrong.

There is no guarantee system in place so you have no chance of getting your money back, and when things go wrong and their cash goes missing they start moaning and groaning, it's your own stupid fault you know it happens all over the world.

I have brought houses here, cars here, motorbikes here paid for lessons to learn Thai and never once have I handed over a large cash deposit you don't need to. Say that you will pay cash on delivery if you have cash for cars or property. Rent you will pay by monthly installments with two months up front. Having work done I will pay you on the first day when you turn up on time and then in stage payments as the work progresses to a good standard. Teaching services via official organizations pay via your bank so the transaction is properly recorded.

If everybody sticks to a version of the above the supplier will still snap your hand off and we will all be a lot safer in our dealings.

What selfish intolerant self centred muck I am reading from a handful of posters... some of you clearly forget you too were once babies....

My Wife and I have an infant child, in an apartment we own. I am fully aware our child may be disturbing to others at times.

Our child will cry at night, in the morning, in the middle of the day - or any any other time he's not best pleased about something. For the most part he's happy and smiley - but there are times when a baby is simply unconsolable and the only thing we can do is keep on trying.

Trust me - The parents of this child are dealing with much more than those of you showing intolerance.

This is not deliberate or selfish noise you are encountering - for the most part its simply a child and unavoidable. Op - you will have to learn to become more tolerant of others or you will find yourself sitting on the same stool every day in the Oriental restaurant in Emporium or complaining if your seat isn't free (read GOM thread - is that you ?)

As another poster put it, move to a mountain. You live in a condo in the city and expect not to hear others??? rather a stupid outlook.

We are not being selfish we are just asking you to control your kids to an acceptable level so we can live a peaceful life in our retirement. We come to live in a predominately adult environment and you choose to bring up a kid here so keep control of it please and consider us and our quality of life.

I have Two children and Three grand children and they are never "simply unconsolable" you need to find the problem and solve it if you cannot then it is you as a parent that needs the help. Look up parenting skills on the internet or join a group session.

I think its extremely selfish to think she wants me to carry the burden of her child too. She should have thought of that before moving in or better yet before having kids

Hmm anti social much?

This is what happens when society breaks down and everyone is alienated from one another. Intolerance festers and everything turns to sh*t. We as humans are called to look after one another, to be our brother's keeper.

In a perfect world the reaction should be: how can I help this lady calm her child? Not, should I call the police?

"DO GOODER ALERT" "DO GOODER ALERT"

Get out more mate go to places where there are young women with kids and you will see bad parenting, bad behavior and bad manners and the mother and father doing nothing or shouting at the kids and the kids ignoring them.

Realize you just cannot help some people especially some mothers they seem to be immune to their offspring’s noise and bad behavior.

It's bad parenting the same if you are in a restaurant and on the next table there is an unruley kid noisey and running around do you say;

"how can I help this lady calm her child"

You will get abuse from her "F off and stop interfering" and there will be nothing you can do about it apart from shut up and grin and bear it and have a miserable night out.

The woman and kid moved in AFTER the OP. So, tell me how he could plan for that? But the kid-free apts, he sure could (Never heard of these before.) I can sympathise because I've had to endure the same thing for the past year - these people bought the house next to mine two years after I bought mine. Ear plugs and ear muffs help modt of the time, and I guess it's just a question of waiting till the kid grows up a little (although I fear he's going to be one of those spoilt brats who has learnt that screaming tantrums win him the most attention). Good luck, OP.

Include in your plan that if you choose to live in a small concrete box it is going to be noisey so don't move there in the first place.

Stupid suggestion "wait till the kid grows up a little" then she has another little brat and it all starts again do you think the mothers parenting skills will have improved.

You need to get out more mate them four concrete walls are getting to ya

Sorry mate no sympathy on this one

If you complain to the mother you will get the blank stare (I am sure you have seen it and you know what I am talking about) and when you run around in frustration because nobody is listening to you, you will hear “ding dong falung” “ding dong falung” from all the neiughbours.

Report to police non starter the answer will be (if they bother to visit) it’s life don’t like it the airport is now only an hour away.

The father has probably dumped her and the kid there because he can’t stand the noise and it is interfering with his daytime sleeping.

This type of winging story is one that makes people back home think this place is full of idiots with to much money that they don't know how to look after.

Why on earth do people keep handing over large cash deposits and then start whining when it goes wrong, will you never learn from the many similar horror stories like this one???????????? there are hundreds if not thousands of empty condo's/appartments/concrete boxes for rent in this area offer two months upfront and they will snap your hand off.

I think we will be hearing many more complaints like this one the way they are throwing up condo’s now as small as 45, and 60 sq m must be like living in a concrete box, before living there you must have thought about it and realize there will be noise you must of stayed in hotels 2 in the morning and listening to the drunk falung dragging home his clip clopping girlfriend then the dragging around of furniture, the TV full volume, then the headboard banging on the wall, then the smoking on the balcony and having to close your doors as yours is a non smoking room.

Sorry but I get irritated when people are making big decisions and they don’t sit down have a cup of tea and plan ahead.

Tipping make sense,after all the baht bus drivers are very poor,living in a extremely poor country .

Dear Mr Naive

I have only been participating in Thai Visa Forum for a few weeks now and I think it has been put together fantastically.

But reading some of the posts I can’t stop rolling around my house laughing great entertainment every day.

People living and working in Pattaya and surrounding areas are not poor people including the Baht Bus Drivers.

The majority of girls here are earning good money each month many have more spare cash to live on then many of the expats living here. Some of the girls choose to rent a small dirty (outside of building the inside is normally kept clean and tidy) room but they rarely stay there they are always with boyfriendssss staying at their hotel, condo or house their room is to “lay their hat” as the song goes and they enjoy their work not many people can say that these days.

Back to Baht bus drivers and we have one that plays for our local pool team earn and live very well and are sending home as much cash as they can (thats what Thai people want to do) and that’s a different story some of the people at home receiving the cash are living a very nice comfortable lifestyle nice house with Rai’s of land animals any Farang at home in their own county with a small holding like that would be very proud of owning. I asked him last night when playing pool how’s work? the answer was “very good job I like” and I asked him why do you take wife and baby to work with you and after a few beers which I paid for he answered “good for tips wife and baby get more tips than me”.

Please don’t feel sorry for Thai people they are a proud nation and they don’t want your pity they want your money just like any business person the world over.

It is all business here and to enjoy your time as I do you have to accept that and take it for what it is and I am sure as I am you will be happy living in PATTAYA.

Maybe its best explained the same way that a lot of men behave - mental abuse dished out by their partner on a regular basis but they will not leave because they "love" their partner.

What about the Thai lady who is getting assaulted on the street by her lover...someone interferes to help her and she wants to then start fighting the good Samaritan and declines to press charges on her partner.

Same mentality. Some people honestly enjoy / accept abuse. I can't explain it.

Another theory is that (true in my case) is that in order to feed my addiction to random, beautiful girls who will sleep with me, I am forced to live in a country that requires me to interact with some pretty low class people. I would much rather stay in my own country if I had the same access to young, beautiful girls available in Thailand.

Take the girls out of Thailand and you would see a huge drop in tourism.

Another way to look at it is why do so many foreigners choose to live in Thailand when Malaysia has so much more to offer (without the girls)? Why don't they choose to live there instead?

Take te girls away and you would have almost no tourism at all. Neither would you have as many multinationals here.

The entirety of Thai modernisation has been from the benefits of having pretty girls.

Thai culture has exactly 0 other worthwhile characteristics.

Some dufus will object and say he loved the temples

You are a complete idiot, it has to be said.

The girls in Thailand are obviously part of Thai culture, being 50% of the population!

Thais enjoy life, they have fun, they go out in groups with their friends and their families, sanuk is in built.

Thailand has developed economically rapidly over the last 40 years because of various factors:

1. a bulwark against communism in the 60s and 70s

2. plenty of natural resources

3 a great location, strategically, between China and the Indian ocean

4. an open,tolerant society

Multinationals have plenty of reasons to be here and stay here.

As for tourists, what about all the families and couples?,Somehow I don't think they are here for the girls.

I know many "couples" who like to meet the pretty young girls and have some fun and let me tell you the young girls love to play with "Madame" better then some 20 stone smelly monster.

I agree the beautiful young girls of Thailand are a big big part of Thailand tourism and the Thai gover_ _ _ _ know that - why do you think nothing is ever done about it?

Anybody agree and long may it stay the same

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No big deal you can overstay through no fault of your own you are not seen to be breaking the law

No fine

At the airport passport control when they discover you have overstayed 1 day they take you to a back office record the overstay and stamp your passport with a different stamp can't read what it says it's in Thai, and then you are let through it happened to me in 2011 and I have been in and out many times since so no black marks - but I would not suggest you should keep overstaying.