CLW

44 minutes ago, unheard said:

Labour costs and costs of regulations (environmental, taxation, employment, insurance etc.)

more likely import tax for some "exotic" or western standard construction material

29 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Atto 3 main complaints are LKA and AEB ( autonomous emergency braking ) slamming all on for seemingly non emergency events, a big problem here when the guy behind doesn’t know the meaning of a safe stopping distance .

How is the law here in Thailand, if someone not keeping safe distance and crashes into your back? Doesn't matter if it was AEB from your car or you just stepped manually on the brake pedal...

27 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

LKA is useless here, as road painting is so inconsistent.  I disabled it.

Yep, I think that's the main issue here in Thailand.

Doesn't matter if you use LKA from Mercedes or Tesla or in this case "just" from MG

16 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Obviously labour assembly costs. 

any other than the small one-man-shops window fabrication is automatically done on a CNC machine. And as yellowtail said, labour costs here are in general a fraction of what you would have to pay in the US or Europe

12 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Compared to the initial investment of double-paned vs single-paned windows of a similar quality, the savings is not as great as one might think, particularly in hot climates. 

 

Most comparisons compare old leaky clear windows with new double-paned tinted windows. 

 

Double (or better triple) paned windows are good for noise reduction, particularly when glasses of different thicknesses are used. 

If the windowmaker is using a good profile, that has a thermal break between exterior and interior side I assume the energy saving cost is still relevant. 

On the other hand, if it's just two panes squeezed into an ordinary frame, you're right about the minimal effects

4 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

We have both EP+ and MG4, they are both fantastic cars with the same motor and battery.  The MG4 is more sporty and handles superbly, the EP+ is a little more boat like and can spin the front wheels at 40km/hr.  The MG4 can get a squeal out the rear wheels occasionally under heavy acceleration at the same speed.  

 

My daughter prefers her EP+, I think I prefer the MG4 but it's a close thing.  They both feel a lot quicker than the performance figures suggest and dispatch overtaking easily on busy roads.

 

The MG4 has a load of tech, I don't like that I have to turn off the Lane Keeping Assist (LKA) every time I start the car for anything other than town driving and it takes 4 touches/swipes to do that and though I initially hated the default regeneration mode set to maximum, I have trained myself to prefer it, it's practically one pedal driving. I understand why LKA defaults to on, it's mandatory in the EU.  The MG4 will probably have self-driving capability at some point, it recognises motorbikes, cars and trucks in front/side and shows them moving in real-time on the display & one of the cruise control modes is adaptive with lane keeping so you can see where the software is heading.

 

I don't like the cruise control, it slows down for even gentle bends, but overall, it's a superb car and I find myself choosing it over my other EV when I go out.

 

I keep asking myself the question, is the MG4 worth 25% more over the EP+ at 771k baht?  It's not that that the MG4 is overpriced, it's that the EP+ is the bargain of the century, hence the 5 month waiting lists.

Almost every review about the MG4 has been complaining about the LKA and cruise control issues. Therefore if MG really listen to customer they should fix this in a software update.

As you said, the car has the capability for it.

2 hours ago, sputnik22k said:

Seems Peugeot is going to launch the e-2008 (BEV) along with the 408 (PHEV) at the motor show here at the end of the month....

 

 

Nice to see. But at what price? 2 million baht

1 hour ago, unheard said:

If you try to price them (basically western prices)...

The reason why they're rarely installed in Thailand.

And that's a reason not to use it? Initial cost? What about the energy savings and benefits of sound insulation?

Of course you can build a <deleted> cheap Thai house with 5cm walls, no soundproofing or insulation and single pane windows. But what's the quality of living in there....

4 hours ago, sometimewoodworker said:

You clearly haven’t seen well designed houses, our house has a rather significant area of glass, about 62 sqm, certainly a few of them allow some heat for a few hours in the morning however they don’t allow noise in, rather they provide excellent noise reduction along with heat exclusion.

Do you have double glazing windows?

4 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Apart from the new exterior and LED lights front and back there are:

New alloys

Privacy glass on the rear windows 

New info screen 

Floating centre console with new function buttons.

Seats have different materials as does the steering wheel.

Now has the iSMART app connection ( as poor as it is !).

 

Not so many changes on the inside but enough to give a different car feel.

 

Price point seems in line with the MG4 , lacking the shortcut buttons on the steering wheel of the MG4 but does have a rear armrest, with the all important cup holders ????, and lights for the rear passengers ( an issue for parents struggling with car seats ) both lacking on the MG4.

 

So, another option for MG EV drivers, can now choose between the sportier MG4 or the flexible ES ( EP Minorchange ) , the bigger boot being the deal breaker i would say, 353 ltrs v 479 ltrs.

 

You forgot that the EP is based on an ICE platform while the MG4 has been completely new developed on a dedicated BEV platform. 

MG 4 has rear wheel drive, a floor battery and 50:50 weight distribution. 

23 minutes ago, proton said:

Hot air, why would you need 3 double patio glass doors and 2 other windows in a small room to do that, my SIL Sansiri house is like that. Lot of them have more glass than concrete or brick.

Like I said, design with glass surfaces sells better than solid walls

26 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

No, most of them you can actually see out of, and a lot them open to let in fresh air... 

Try that in Bangkok ????

33 minutes ago, proton said:

Never understand why houses here have so many widows all over the place, they are always covered up with curtains anyway most of the time. Windows just let in the heat and noise

for better design resulting in higher sales price.

Those architects or developers don't have to endure the heat, noise or pay the expensive electricity bill.

On 3/7/2023 at 4:55 PM, JBChiangRai said:

I am hoping to see the BYD Han Performance and/or ORA Lightning Cat Performance (aka ORA Grand Cat Performance) in Thailand this year.

 

We are in the middle of an EV revolution here.

With the BYD Han being offered in Europe for 72.000 Euro (~2,6 million THB) I can't see this car being successful in Thailand. You could easily buy a Tesla, BMW EV or one of the upcoming Honda or Nissan EV SUVs

Sunshade and louver from Thailand:

https://www.inno-viva.com/category/performance-louver/sunshade-and-grill-louver

Chinese manufacturer:

https://www.sunlever.net/product/aluminium-window-white-louvered-shutters-exterior

with their rock-bottom prices for everything related to steel, aluminium or electronics an import could be worth budget-wise.

8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

There is a Ruskin plant in Thailand.

 

Vector is their agent.

Ok, great. That changes the price point more likely

16 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Louver - vectorthai

 

Screens and Grilles (ruskin.com)

 

Useful, but imported. Therefore I guess it is very expensive.

I have seen louvers or grilles made in Thailand at metal or aluminum stores.

You could install them on a (window) frame or rail and install outside the windows.

Problem is you would have to close them by hand most likely

15 minutes ago, Pitak Chirachat said:

I have in total 8 outside roller shutters installed. Two of them are the mother of all roller shutters at around 6.0x5.5 meters. Another 3 are equally high but less wide. Since I also couldn't find anything locally I initially looked for an imported product that would have cost an arm and a leg. Finally I found a local company that could do the job. Mind you the bigger shutters weigh around 450 kg each that had to be installed at 6 meters heigh. Other also fairly large shutters had to be installed on the 3rd floor. Product quality not as good and smooth as in Europe. But they certainly do the trick and keep our rooms cool during the hot season, dry during the rainy season and safe from burglars during the burglary season which can last up to 12 months. It was certainly worth the investment. I now control the shutters with Amazon's Alexa. For the shutters you can call Simon Fox at KSS Company. Phone number 081 813 0094. 

You can tell Simon that Patrick with the biggest roller shutters in Thailand sent you. Might give me some discount on future service.

Thanks a lot for pointing me to KSS.

I've visited their website before. Looking all good.

However, it's still shutters where the rooms inside are quite dark as opposed to roller or venetian blinds.

Benefits are certainly the material from aluminum and it's durability.

25 minutes ago, unheard said:

@CLW

"Terrazzo or polished concrete. Haven't found out a pricing yet. "

 

Polished concrete is a great option but it's almost impossible to get one in Thailand, at least at reasonable prices.

The other possible option that looks like polished concrete is a paint on coating.

I think it's fairly cheap to apply and looks relatively good if you like that kind of a look, but it has nothing to do with polished concrete and doesn't offer any of its qualities.

Paint on coating is an option. However, the concrete must have very smooth, even and levelled surface. Not many contractors can do that. Therefore I might stick with tiles. Especially since nowadays there are many decors available.

16 minutes ago, ezzra said:

Thos look alike parquet floors that made out composite engineered wood marital without the fear of termites, look good and cheap to buy and install.

 

https://www.homepro.co.th/search?q=parquet+floors

Are you talking about the ceramic tiles or the engineered wood panels?

There is a huge price difference: tiles with wood decor 180 THB per sqm, engineered wood panels 2,000 THB per sqm.

Ceramic tiles look nice.

https://www.thaimega.co.th/Roller-Blinds-Outdoor.html#top

https://www.oceannewline.com/exterior-products

Hesitating with PVC roller blinds outdoors. Even the best quality fabric might get brittle under extreme UV light as we have in Thailand.

External venetian blinds from aluminium look fine

Most sunshading products here in Thailand (rollers, shutters, blinds - you name it) are available only for indoor use.

Since that still leaves a lot of heat through to the inside of the building, I was planning to install exterior sunshading on the new house.

But I haven't seen this kind of product or found a distributor / manufacturer.

Anyone wanted to do the same or knows brands/companies that I can ask? Thank you!

What affordable alternatives other than tiles are available in Thailand?

I want to rule out anything with wood because of moisture and termite issues.

From what I have found by own research:

• Shera SPC (stone plastic composite) panels. Quite expensive with 4,500 THB per sqm and also with unsealed gaps between the panels
• Terrazzo or polished concrete. Haven't found out a pricing yet.
• Vinyl or PVC flooring in rolls. The high quality ones without VOC emission and / or formaldehyde are imported from US or Europe. Therefore, I guess it's more expensive than buying locally produced tiles.

Anything else that I might have missed?

10 hours ago, vinny41 said:

The Inital repair cost for the Byd atto 3 was quoted at B1.2 Million including B900,000 for removing and replacing new battery

Here he is being given a repair estimate of B1.2 million 

now a new standard model cost B1.1 milllion baht more than the cost of a new car

which means the battery cost in relation to the whole vehicle is 81% which is unique situation compared to ICE vehicles where no single component part ever exceeds the cost ration of the vehicle by between 30-35%

For the owner of the car the problem is also compounded that the capital maximum value of the vehicle was set to B1 million which means the breakpoint at which they scrap of 70% or in the case of a vehicle that has a capital value of B1 million B700,000 which is short of the original cost by B500,000

Personally I think what needs to happe with EV's they need to be insurance under

a master policy that covers the EV with execption of the Battery and and the secondary policy covers the battery only

And as to Capital value reductions that should happen to the main policy only the secondary policy that covers the battery its capital value should only be reduced if there is a major reduction in the price of batteries

You're trolling. No one's forcing you to buy an EV. Have a good day and leave this thread alone 

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

My post was related to BYD cost of repairing a car that was involved in an accident I have yet to see any warranty papework that states the warranty includes replacement if vehicle is subject to an accident.

Does the article mention that if removal and replacement of the entire battery unit from a Byd Atto3  cost more than the total price of a Top of the range Nissan almera and cash back in your pocket

You're mixing up warranty with responsibility of the insurance. It's up to their costing department to set the premium at a certain value that they can replace a battery for an EV. Same as the repair of an engine from ICE car in case of crash.