Robespiere

What Khun Surapong conveniently are forgetting, when he asks the general to go after previous governments, is the fact that most of those governments were "red" !!

Thaksin, Somchai and Samak.

He also forgot to mention, that he is related to Thaksin!!

It seems you have conveniently forgotten the names Chuan Leekpai, Monti Chenvidyakarn, Abhisit Vejjajiva, Gen Surayud Chulanont.

Let's tone down the hypocrisy huh.

Those names were already mentioned by Surapong, I was merely mentioning the names he "forgot" !!

Seems like your love for the reds makes you blind!!

Oh, I see, so you were raising the names of all the others that Surapong forgot.

If that's the case, your list seems rather anaemic.

Does Suthep Thaugsuaban for one ring a bell.

Then of course, don't forget: Rakkiat Sukhthana, Sanan Kajornprasart.........etc....etc....etc..... all the way back to 1946.

As for the most likely cause of your own optical deficiencies, it's either blind ignorance orblind stupidity mixed with a healthy dose of bigotry.

Looks like they've found yet another way to funnel money into the pockets of the wealthy.

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Surapong - why do I dislike him so much ?

In the same basket as Chalerm and Tarit

The same reason many a yellow dislikes him, the man speaks truth to power.

truth to power?

Yes my friend, truth to power.

Surapong - why do I dislike him so much ?

In the same basket as Chalerm and Tarit

The same reason many a yellow dislikes him, the man speaks truth to power.

What Khun Surapong conveniently are forgetting, when he asks the general to go after previous governments, is the fact that most of those governments were "red" !!

Thaksin, Somchai and Samak.

He also forgot to mention, that he is related to Thaksin!!

It seems you have conveniently forgotten the names Chuan Leekpai, Monti Chenvidyakarn, Abhisit Vejjajiva, Gen Surayud Chulanont.

Let's tone down the hypocrisy huh.

So policies that result in government expenditure ending up in the pockets of the poor are deemed losses?

The big bag of money has to stay in Bangkok or else there'll be a coup.

A couple of absurdities:

1. This not like selling Thai black coffee. It is important to be fair to everyone …

2. ...everything would be done in accordance with the law.

And a little bit of common sense:

1. the anti-graft body had done little to take up the case of alleged irregularities under the Abhisit Vejjajiva and Chuan Leekpai administrations with regard to the scheme to reform financial institutions. Surapong said more losses were incurred by that scheme and asked why those two were not being impeached.

A truly vile sickening hateful elite system based on fear and censorship -

Their days are numbered as credible -

Barbaric evil judicial oppressive state

Fortunately Fred that has gone now with the demise of the Thaksin puppet Yingluck, or should I use his word clone, excuse for a government.

Once reforms are in place which will prevent crooked politicians of any party from ever again getting into power and people can exercise their vote without threats, bribery or intimidation, where all parties can campaign freely in all parts of the country without hate or fear influencing the vote then things will be on the right track.

With important reforms in education, health, justice, police, checks and balances and others an elected Govt will have little choice to work for the people and not for a convicted criminal hiding overseas.

Yes I know a tall order, but we must live in hope.

One day the ignorant amongst us will awaken from their torpor and realise those in Thailand currently chanting the loudest for reforms are the very ones who who have stood in the way, opposing reforms and yearning for a return to the dark old ways of lords and serfs.

You've been brainwashed son, get control of yourself, regain some dignity and self respect, come back to reality and join the good, the wise and the just in condemning these usurpers.

Goodbye Japan, hello China.

So the downward spiral continues.

When it comes to making friends, anti-democratic authoritarian regimes don't have too many choices.

It's China or bust for Prayuth and his cohorts.

It happens so often in Thailand that there is a procedure for it. The current government has been endorsed by H.M. and, as a non-citizen, that is plenty good enough for me. If you read the current rules, you will note that it is not allowed to talk treason on this forum. Speaking as an outsider and as a non-Thai, I am not very favorably impressed with any Thai government I have ever read about in the history books so, the term, "Pick you poison" comes to mind. If I had a say-so, which I don't, I can hardly think of a more destructive individual to ever curse Thailand with his presence than Thaksin Shinawatra. He is responsible for so many innocent deaths with his military suppression of the Deep South, his so-called 'drug war', his attempt at soft coups in 2009 and an even larger one in 2010, and the deaths of the anti-Yingluck protesters this year, and those deaths were all on his orders or behalf. Considering how he has divided the people into color-coded politics, spurred class warfare/envy, repeatedly looted the country, suppressed reporters/NGOs/human rights, etc., etc., and attempted to set himself up as 'President for Life', I would choose any government over one influenced/controlled/ dominated by him. I hope this answers your question.

textbook delusion.

This is what lawyers do when they don't have a legitimate defense; delay, delay, delay. And in the meantime, obfuscate, misdirect, misconstrue, assault motives, plead for sympathy, and make excuses. This phenomena is not confined to Thailand. At the very minimum, Ms Yingluck should be banned from politics for five years and pay the maximum fine which is equivalent to the cost of a new pair of Burberry boots. The penalties she faces are equal to being told she was a naughty girl and please wait for five years before doing it again. In the mean time, she gets lots of free publicity, keeps her name and face in front of her supporters, and reminds everyone of the one who will not/can not be forgotten.

So when Suthep was too busy to attend court and he delayed, delayed, delayed........

Absolutely! Suthep as well as the terrorist who invaded Government House and occupied the airport. They should have begun their prison terms years ago. I don't do double standards and the ends rarely justify the means when the 'means' are illegal under the constitution.

What constitution?

It's long gone.

If you don't do double standards why are you not spouting off about the many, many others yet to face their day in court who should be well ahead of Yingluck in the queue.

If the system were equitable the next 5 years would be spent prosecuting Yellows all the way back to the PAD and Sondhi and then they should turn their attention to the trumped up charges against Yingluck!

Double standards is what you and they are all about.

Indeed, why should the country forgive those who broke the law just to make those who broke the law happy.

That the law breakers and their supporters are willing to break the law again if they don't get their way should make it even more imperative that justice is done and is seen to be done.

But Hay, isn't that what the amnesty bill was all about, forgive the law breakers to make them happy ?

Didn't work then and wont work again.

Read a little on Nelson Mandela's response to apartheid with South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Council.

Sometimes it's better not to let the future be held hostage by the past.

Let us also not forget who benefits the most from any amnesty agreement. One side would get amnesty for what amounts to a single, dubious real estate conviction whilst the other for three treasonous coups and the slaughter of nearly 100 innocent citizens.

I see... Mandela spent twenty seven years in prison for his beliefs. You can get fifteen easy with just a few strokes of the keyboard. You up for it?

Edited to say: You're all mouth.

Further edited: The namesake of your avatar lost his head, because he decided he a the only person that was right. In the words of Harry Callahan... "Do you fell lucky punk?"

"Further edited: The namesake of your avatar lost his head, because he decided he a the only person that was right. In the words of Harry Callahan... "Do you fell lucky punk?""

Even more edited to say that I made a typo. Corrected comment. "The namesake of your avatar lost his head, because he decided he was the only person that was right. In the words of Harry Callahan... "Do you fell lucky punk?"

So then stand on the streets and preach your opinions, and show us your balls! We all have big ones here.

Edited even more: Wanna compare your stones with Mandela's? Go for it!

It would appear you're off your medication.

This is what lawyers do when they don't have a legitimate defense; delay, delay, delay. And in the meantime, obfuscate, misdirect, misconstrue, assault motives, plead for sympathy, and make excuses. This phenomena is not confined to Thailand. At the very minimum, Ms Yingluck should be banned from politics for five years and pay the maximum fine which is equivalent to the cost of a new pair of Burberry boots. The penalties she faces are equal to being told she was a naughty girl and please wait for five years before doing it again. In the mean time, she gets lots of free publicity, keeps her name and face in front of her supporters, and reminds everyone of the one who will not/can not be forgotten.

Nobody puts in doubt the Shins' PR machine is doing a very good, though utterly insidious, job, I wonder how many millions a year it costs them, but to go on with it like they do, it can't only be about face, they must be betting on high profits to be generated by it in the future, and I do hope that future never will come, for the Thais' sake, I mean...!

Dr. Thaksin has NOT given up on his goal of 'President for Life' in the style of his good friend Hun Sen. He wants a political dynasty all the more because the only way to reclaim the face he lost would be to return to power and have the last laugh. If the PM can resist all the temptations offered by the super-wealthy, fugitive felon, ex PM, then Thailand will have a chance to be rid of the Thaksin threat. Unfortunately, the last coup leader, Gen. Sonthi, sold his soul and opened the door for another Thaksin puppet government; he even joined that puppet government and worked for Thaksin's white-washed return. Thaksin is ruthless and relentless in his quest for power. He plays on the greed of others and uses them for his purposes. Punishing Yingluck would be a sign from this government that they won't be bought off by Thaksin. If the current government cannot impose even this minimalist punishment (five year political ban and Bt. 10,000 fine) on Ms Yingluck, what would you expect from it in the prosecution of the real damage done to the Thai taxpayers and to honest government. How the Yingluck case is handled will be a bellweather of this government's attitude to corruption and political criminality.

The people want what the people want.

How many other countries will give free land to the poor?

I can't think of any.

But it is not enough for Thais, they want more.

No wonder they can't develop, they remain as dependant as infants their entire life and tit feeding them constantly won't help them to grow up and take the bull by the horns.

How many other developing countries have maintained such a large landless peasantry up till the present day through manipulation of the political system by men with guns?

Wrongs are being righted - all thanks to Dr. Thaksin Shinawatra.

This is what lawyers do when they don't have a legitimate defense; delay, delay, delay. And in the meantime, obfuscate, misdirect, misconstrue, assault motives, plead for sympathy, and make excuses. This phenomena is not confined to Thailand. At the very minimum, Ms Yingluck should be banned from politics for five years and pay the maximum fine which is equivalent to the cost of a new pair of Burberry boots. The penalties she faces are equal to being told she was a naughty girl and please wait for five years before doing it again. In the mean time, she gets lots of free publicity, keeps her name and face in front of her supporters, and reminds everyone of the one who will not/can not be forgotten.

So when Suthep was too busy to attend court and he delayed, delayed, delayed........

Here we go again!! We can't win at the ballot-box, but we can always trust the "independent" Thai judiciary to do the dirty work for us!!

And the Shins' anthem then? 'We buy ourselves a cheap majority of gullible ignorants N.& E., put the pawn we have groomed to on top of it (N.B. your idol Thaksin), set (bend) the Judiciary to our hand, and with the police and the army in our pocket, we are the masters of Thailand'? Unfortunately for the clan, it didn't all go as planned with some(!) parts of the Judiciary and the Military. And there might also have been another 'family' which did not agree (anymore)... All considerations you may not be busy with, but that I like to put forward to balance your, mind you, for me far from totally incorrect, opinion. Do two wrongs make a right though? Not for me! Only totally new movements and parties, excluding all existing politicians and colour-coded (anti-) 'heroes', bound by their published programs, and made automatically responsible for all their actions, could IMO bring the country forward, with a Judiciary serving Justice to all, with the Military in their barracks, the police doing, exclusively(!) a, good, police job, and, why not, to make it entirely irrealistic, all people becoming a, totally different, decent, education. My dream for Thailand, which will alas probably remain a dream forever... What is your dream JOC?

The army is in the Shinawatras pocket?

All credibility got up and walked out the door as your fingers were typing this little piece of illogical delusion.

Mr Robespierre, nobody forced you to react, but you felt compelled to, and you, being somewhere out of sensible arguments, couldn't resist the urge to call me names. Outside of personality issues this could be telling about, which amittedly are not of my concern, and other members here will make an opinion of their own about, I will not accept it. When you would do it again, I would have to report you for abuse. Are we clear about that?

As you present me the opportunity on a platter though, let me return and have some fun about you. Like telling you, when I would have to make a choice between being a 'peanut' and being a 'nut' like you, I'd go for the peanut, anytime. With 'yellow' you entered a danger zone, wasn't it you declaring you were by no means 'affiliated' to any colour-coded movement, just being an unbiased critical individual? Well, I can't remember anyone calling another person 'yellow' when not being 'red' himself (or the exact opposite actually), and, by doing so, you might have exposed yourself, a lot. Sorry for your obsessions, I am not 'yellow', oh no, not at all, but does it matter, as it seems to be the final argument used by Thaksin/Yingluck/Shins/PTP/UDD/'reds' worshippers when out of any sensible one, so, maybe, when coming out of your guys' mouths(!), I should feel honoured.

As for the first proposition in your sentence, it is also as coming from a child getting angry for not being able to get what it wants. Though 're-arranging' it, it might make some sense, IMO, that there was such nonsense in the actions of the PTP 'government' that international financial experts with credentials wouldn't have wasted their time about it... It is childish to reverse your words like that, I know, but it seems that behind the artifacts you use, it is the way you should be treated, as a temperamental child. Please, prove me to be wrong... Starting to answer, in a sensible, polite and factual way, the points others, not sharing your views and opinions, make, might be a very good start.

Take good care of yourself.

I've not declared impartiality.

The lesser of two evils in this dispute is quite obvious.

The Yellows are a dragon that needs slaying and Thaksin and his band of merry red men are the ones best positioned to do the deed - democratically of course.

BTW - The grammar is fine as it is.

Outside of never, ever give any reaction on facts he is confronted to and which are not 'going his way', I really, honestly, and seriously, ask myself questions about Robespierre being well, mentally I mean. It reminds me more and more of the blind and obstinate logorhoea of those mad propagandists from a neighbouring country who thaught Weng,Thida and others their 'crafts' while being given a refuge in Thailand...

Much to my surprise, logorrhoea is actually a word.

No doubt you learnt it as a result of a diagnosis.

There will never be democracy in Thailand until the rich and poor are treated equal by the law. In other words the rich will always get their way by buying their way. Until this changes democracy wont happen.

Democracy is the agent of change.

It is why the elites are fighting so hard against it.

Good will triumph over evil, democracy will be re-established and eventually there will be equality.

A time of great change is coming.....

Are you in the twilight years ??? The sabre tooth must have said that at some time.

Hush, Robespierre was maybe going to annouce he pulled out of TV, under this alias at least...!

'Grotesque' was the first word coming into my mind when reading it. And later 'nonsensical' as his master and its clan, are the epitome of both new and old elites' greed and flaws, are the (most recent) great evil that has fallen upon the Kingdom, and the good to cleanse the country from them has yet still to rise, democracy has never until today been established in Thailand, although it has its monument, to remember: a palace... 'coup' intiated by disgrunted ...elites abroad, a just and social King had deprived of some subsidies they considered as their birthright, while He was confronted with a hungering nation, and empty coffers caused by the 1930 meltdown, and there will not possibly be, any, equality before the masses become educated, and aware they need to fight to get any, the prime reason for the elites not to grant the people any such... So what? Thaksin &Co., the UDD, the 'reds' as ...saviours, maybe? Should I then conclude with 'delusional'? Ah, Robespierre...

I've got a new favourite word.....Indecipherable.

You underestimate the Thai underclasses.

They are good people saddled with a horrid elite.

Democracy will wash away the filth and Thailand will eventually produce its very own Jokowi.

Your stating I underestimate the 'Thai underclass' is presumptuous and says more about you and your apparent 'defender of the poor' mantle than that which I actually posted, which was that Thai culture does not allow for such development. Nothing about the 'underclass', and I am not alone in this view. You may find Thai Fulbright scholar Suntaree Komin's PDF NATIONAL CHARACTER IN THE THAI NINE VALUES ORIENTATIONS illuminating.

Do get off the Red versus Yellow thing. It's making you look mentally incapable of anything but binary choices.

You tar 65,000,000 people with the one brush and then advise me to broaden my horizons.

It appears my binary mental capabilities are at the very least, double yours.

Just horse trading.. and yes Newin got the posts he wanted (and was corrupt as hell and I don't like corruption so not a friend of mine.. same as Suthep.. not someone I like).

But nothing illegal about swapping sides, they were voted in.

In my homeland we got real democracy.. here because of vote buying and corruption there is none. So to compare Thai democracy with the one in my home country is as crazy as comparing Thaksin with Mandela like you are doing.

Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong.

So Newin was bribed - isn't that corruption?

So the military was involved using strong arm tactics - isn't that anti-democratic?

Vote buying is a non issue - always has been.

I'm not comparing Thaksin with Mandela at all.

I am stating that Thailand should follow Mandela's example and focus on truth and reconciliation and forget about vengeance, i.e. all sides should support an amnesty bill that absolves all the murderers and thieves from both sides, the only price the criminals should have to pay is that all their dirty deeds must be revealed in full to all the citizens of the nation and they must live the rest of their lives with each and every one of their fellow citizens knowing what they have done.

And let's not forget the stuff you failed to comment on....

the unjust and illegal dismissal of 2 sitting Prime Ministers, the unjust and illegal disbanding of the nations largest political party and the unjust and illegal blockading of the national airport.

This is not a normal way a change of government occurs in any nation on this planet.

Only a peanut would think it is.

"And let's not forget the stuff you failed to comment on....

the unjust and illegal dismissal of 2 sitting Prime Ministers, the unjust and illegal disbanding of the nations largest political party and the unjust and illegal blockading of the national airport."

First point; Samak was dismissed for accepting money working on his cooking show and lying about it, that is illegal here in Thailand and in many other countries, both a legal and just outcome.

Second point: Somchai was dismissed when he lost his MP status after PPP was disbanded for electoral fraud, both a legal and just outcome.

Third point:

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By one method or another, four sitting Prime Ministers have been removed from office, not by the nations citizens, but by a coalition made up of the military, the plutocracy and the bureaucracy.

The fact that one side in this war for the future of the nation is rotten to the core is true, accurate, public and not in violation of any reasonable law.

"What part is not true.. that Newin changed and formed an alliance with the democrats and that they had a majority after that ?

Are you denying that coalition governments exists?"

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His coalition was bolted together under military pressure that induced pro-Thaksin lawmakers to cross the floor, but is beset by competing agendas and turf wars.

Yes.. the military pressured for a switch and the switch happened.. nothing wrong with it a lobby could have done the same. Nothing illegal about switching coalitions.

Maybe some manipulated members here were too young and/or not living in Thailand at the time, to remember about the ones who helped Mr Thaksin in the saddle on his way with his new TRT to disputable elections, games and lies about assets, and other niceties, to become PM, weren't it... the Military, wasn't there a coup? When they are old enough and know about recent History, they have no excuse to get agitated about a (counter-)coup, while it was a coup that freed the way for their master to reach power over the country in the first place! Or is it a 'logic'(?!) of: coup-for-Thaksin-good-coup, coup-against-Thaksin-bad-coup kind of neanderthal stuff? It would be very 'telling' about a large group of people a Reconciliation is to be achieved with, and what will become of the whole thing too soon after, when they are let getting what they are told to want... The responsibility of Khun Prayuth and his team is immense, let us all hope they don't make out of it what we have, alas, become used to of Thailand...

Who needs old age when we have google and wiki to expose the garbage in many a yellow post (e.g. the one above).

Mr Robespierre, nobody forced you to react, but you felt compelled to, and you, being somewhere out of sensible arguments, couldn't resist the urge to call me names. Outside of personality issues this could be telling about, which amittedly are not of my concern, and other members here will make an opinion of their own about, I will not accept it. When you would do it again, I would have to report you for abuse. Are we clear about that?

As you present me the opportunity on a platter though, let me return and have some fun about you. Like telling you, when I would have to make a choice between being a 'peanut' and being a 'nut' like you, I'd go for the peanut, anytime. With 'yellow' you entered a danger zone, wasn't it you declaring you were by no means 'affiliated' to any colour-coded movement, just being an unbiased critical individual? Well, I can't remember anyone calling another person 'yellow' when not being 'red' himself (or the exact opposite actually), and, by doing so, you might have exposed yourself, a lot. Sorry for your obsessions, I am not 'yellow', oh no, not at all, but does it matter, as it seems to be the final argument used by Thaksin/Yingluck/Shins/PTP/UDD/'reds' worshippers when out of any sensible one, so, maybe, when coming out of your guys' mouths(!), I should feel honoured.

As for the first proposition in your sentence, it is also as coming from a child getting angry for not being able to get what it wants. Though 're-arranging' it, it might make some sense, IMO, that there was such nonsense in the actions of the PTP 'government' that international financial experts with credentials wouldn't have wasted their time about it... It is childish to reverse your words like that, I know, but it seems that behind the artifacts you use, it is the way you should be treated, as a temperamental child. Please, prove me to be wrong... Starting to answer, in a sensible, polite and factual way, the points others, not sharing your views and opinions, make, might be a very good start.

Take good care of yourself.

I've not declared impartiality.

The lesser of two evils in this dispute is quite obvious.

The Yellows are a dragon that needs slaying and Thaksin and his band of merry red men are the ones best positioned to do the deed - democratically of course.

BTW - The grammar is fine as it is.

They shot themselves in the foot--and had to go.

How can a confident good governing government be taken out by a minority ??? if it was good the army would never have intervened---and secondly if they had control where on earth were the Thaksin police force----doing a usual runner as they were trained to collect money at road blocks---look up the numbers of the R Thai Police. ??? then reply--------the fact is they blew it big time and you coming on here posting BS--get real---amnesty---rice---tablets--floods--infrastructure---Yingluck out the country when things got serious---clocks----China rice sale----non paid farmers---But But But---the PM now is not very good ?????? pleassseee.

Q - How can a government be taken out by a minority?

A - When the minority is in control of the nations arsenal and the "independent" institutions such as the courts and electoral commission.

Your way out --sure.

If the country were governed with super governance--Thailand on up---people happy--corruption down---and not ruled from Dubai---the army would be content--the courts would be content and the ECommission had not elections to overlook----Then no problems for any of the mentioned.

people happy--army allowance happy--courts functioning properly--EC near redundant through no work Happy...........

You see it had nothing to do with guns-or institutions------UNLESS YOU ROCK THE BOAT.

indecipherable!