lucaswallachia

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/174924-swedish-woman-found-dead-on-thai-beach/

Alot of the comments are exactly the same for this case compared to the Koh Tao one in that a rising number of falang are getting killed, its gona affect tourism ect ect.

And also Hannah's friend said she never saw Hannah or David get into an altercation at all, so Sean either lies shamelessly or he doesn't know what he is talking about.

His clothing has changed

So if he left his shorts at the scene and put on David's to escape there must be DNA on these shorts, and if he's a local, someone must recognise him from the CCTV. Is he one of the AC bar owners sons who is being protected? Or one of the Burmese suspects?

"Police found a pair of trousers with unknown stains on them that they have sent for DNA testing in Bangkok. "

Ok so googling that, the article says that (Sean) witnessed two Thai men trying to molest Hannah at an entertainment venue. And was also believed to have seen David rescue Hannah from the advances of the men before leaving the venue together on the night they were murdered.

I wonder if Sean's DNA is in the batch they are supposed to have completed soon because with all the contradictory statements he has made he surely should be considered as a suspect now.

His clothing has changed

I wonder what the black thing in his hand is, looks kinda thick to be a phone. It also looks like a pair of black sandals in the clothing pictures, as well, since Hannah's pink jandals are there and you can see the black shoes David was wearing in the CCTV.

Also, do you have a time for when this CCTV was taken?

His clothing has changed

So if he left his shorts at the scene and put on David's to escape there must be DNA on these shorts, and if he's a local, someone must recognise him from the CCTV. Is he one of the AC bar owners sons who is being protected? Or one of the Burmese suspects?

Well also, i wonder what time the AC Bar closed, because if Hannah's friend said they left between 3 and 4 then i assume she stayed there till at least 4, and why would the manager be running around outside, surely he would have to be there to close up and stuff.

Ok, yeh it doesnt look like him but that's what was reported and he apparently confirmed it was him. David went back to his bungalow with his mate Chris from the AC Bar after getting something to eat from a shop. He then told Chris he was going out to get some smokes but actually went to meet up with Hannah and her friend Emma at the AC Bar.

So...i think it would be quite revealing if they obtained Hannah and Davids phone records because i'm sure they would of been texting each other.

on both pics he walks into the SAME direction.

first time, he is running,

second time, he is walking casually...

Yeh, which is kinda puzzling, like he either didn't walk back the same way or the police didn't release the footage of him going the other way.

Ok so Hannah's friend said that David and Hannah left between 3 - 4 am and if that guy in the CCTV knew or was connected to the murders then it means the murders must of happened about 3:30 i'm guessing.

who says, this is confirmed the AC bar owner? sorry, might have missed that.

so, thats why he was arrested - and his dna matched 70% (claimed on this thread earlier, but nowhere in the papers).

what did he say, why he was running through town without shoes at 4 am?

Just search on that paper we are not allowed to name or link on here.

You should be able to see in the pics the times. First photo he is sprinting past at 3:44 am and in the second he is walking past at 4:49 am.

This cctv image is really strange it looks like the person is covering up there clothing with another article of clothing or the shorts are too big.

So is that the same as this guy? Because this one is confirmed by the manager of AC Bar himself to be him.

For you guys that have seen the photos do you know if Hannah was found with the towel over her face or it was put on their by the police?

If she was found like that, it does give credence to her being killed first and then being raped.

I had the same question. Why would the police put a towel over her face for a crime scene photograph? And this towel wasn't there in other crime scene photos. If it was put there by the perps, then surely it is a major piece of evidence to investigate.

I think that is the towel on the right, on the rock.

Well spotted. So the question is, how did it get there? Did David fetch it when he went back to his room? His room mates should be able to identify it.

Hmmm, maybe there were gonna have a dip and he got the towel or it could of already just been lying there.

Though he was staying in the same room as his mate Chris so he would of seen him unless he slept through him coming into the room.

Is it a standard sized towel or more the size of a hand towel ? Could it be from the local bar ? Should be easy to find the colour Scheme from the local accommodations...

Im not even sure its a towel looking at it, maybe even a short summer dress, otherwise it looks like a standard sized towel.

For you guys that have seen the photos do you know if Hannah was found with the towel over her face or it was put on their by the police?

If she was found like that, it does give credence to her being killed first and then being raped.

I had the same question. Why would the police put a towel over her face for a crime scene photograph? And this towel wasn't there in other crime scene photos. If it was put there by the perps, then surely it is a major piece of evidence to investigate.

I think that is the towel on the right, on the rock.

Well spotted. So the question is, how did it get there? Did David fetch it when he went back to his room? His room mates should be able to identify it.

Hmmm, maybe there were gonna have a dip and he got the towel or it could of already just been lying there.

Though he was staying in the same room as his mate Chris so he would of seen him unless he slept through him coming into the room.

Maybe they were going to have a swim, but things moved in another direction. This towel needs to be tested for DNA....if the perps threw it over her, there may be some DNA on it.

Yeh but her body is off to the left in the photo so if that's the towel on the right then the killers obviously didn't throw it on her.

Concerning the DNA in the condom, is it possible if the condom had spermicide in it, it dissolved any DNA if he only had it on for a short time?

For you guys that have seen the photos do you know if Hannah was found with the towel over her face or it was put on their by the police?

If she was found like that, it does give credence to her being killed first and then being raped.

I had the same question. Why would the police put a towel over her face for a crime scene photograph? And this towel wasn't there in other crime scene photos. If it was put there by the perps, then surely it is a major piece of evidence to investigate.

I think that is the towel on the right, on the rock.

Well spotted. So the question is, how did it get there? Did David fetch it when he went back to his room? His room mates should be able to identify it.

Hmmm, maybe there were gonna have a dip and he got the towel or it could of already just been lying there.

Though he was staying in the same room as his mate Chris so he would of seen him unless he slept through him coming into the room.

For you guys that have seen the photos do you know if Hannah was found with the towel over her face or it was put on their by the police?

If she was found like that, it does give credence to her being killed first and then being raped.

I had the same question. Why would the police put a towel over her face for a crime scene photograph? And this towel wasn't there in other crime scene photos. If it was put there by the perps, then surely it is a major piece of evidence to investigate.

Maybe the police couldnt stand the sight of her injured face much longer

Yeh, but when they have her lying on top of the blue body bag / sheet, she doesnt have the towel on.

For you guys that have seen the photos do you know if Hannah was found with the towel over her face or it was put on their by the police?

If she was found like that, it does give credence to her being killed first and then being raped.

I had the same question. Why would the police put a towel over her face for a crime scene photograph? And this towel wasn't there in other crime scene photos. If it was put there by the perps, then surely it is a major piece of evidence to investigate.

I think that is the towel on the right, on the rock.

For you guys that have seen the photos do you know if Hannah was found with the towel over her face or it was put on their by the police?

If she was found like that, it does give credence to her being killed first and then being raped.

The towel was placed on her face later.

Ok thanks. I would say then they killed her afterwards, it would be very unlikely to have 2 necrophiliacs acting together.

For you guys that have seen the photos do you know if Hannah was found with the towel over her face or it was put on their by the police?

If she was found like that, it does give credence to her being killed first and then being raped.

Don't know but the picture I saw was without her covered. Truly horrendous. I think they discovered her body without the head covered. The injuries and blood suggest she wasn't covered.

I cannot beleive they killed her to that condition and then raped her. That would be an abomination

The ones i have of her whole body where she was found has the towel on, while the ones of her head and lying on the blue body bag don't have it on so that's why i'm thinking they chucked it on so they wouldn't have to look at her face.

For you guys that have seen the photos do you know if Hannah was found with the towel over her face or it was put on their by the police?

If she was found like that, it does give credence to her being killed first and then being raped.

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There was a condom what had been used on Hannah found near by... who used it on it on her?

Most likely it was David's, and they probably got interrupted just when they were 'getting into it' that David left no DNA inside.

Why would they (or David) take it off then?

I'm guessing because it would of fallen off. Again i think it matters where they found the condom, since Hannah's Jandals and im guessing undies as well (sorry it looks like the undies are to the left of the picture) are just out of the photo to the bottom right so she was definitely dragged or maybe starting running in the direction her body was found and caught there.

I think this photo pretty conclusively confirms that they were disturbed while making out. Why would her clothes be piled up like that in the spot where David was attacked, and not in the spot where her body was found and where the rapes took place? This all points to an opportunistic attack by people who had observed them going down to the beach. The argument in the AC bar if one took place is a red herring.

So we can all see the drag marks that look like heels are dragging along the sand from the bloodied sand area to the final resting place of Hannah. ?

Also those clothes are not David's or Hannah's. Hannah was either attacked there with David and dragged off whilst David was dragged unconscious in to the water. The rape and final blows dealt to Hannah were where her body was located. Clear drag marks in this picture ...

Hannah's friend she was with at the bar said she never saw David or Hannah have an argument with anyone so it does seem more likely the motive was to rape Hannah because if it was the 'saving face' that has been mentioned a lot then they probably would of just killed them and taken off straight away.

Hannah had her clothes on

Correct, hannah was partially dressed minus a pink singlet the other clothes belong to david and a pair of blue shorts belonged to one of the attackers.

Was it an under singlet, because she has a pink singlet on pulled down to her waist

i personally think the attackers were not bothered about leaving evidence as they were untouchable

i personally think Sean knew who the attackers were hence being threatened by the 2 men in the photo he took

Sean was of no use to them if he was killed by them , they had to get him to commit suicide so that it looked like he committed the murders

The son / nephew would then say they both had sex with Hannah ( due to 2x asian dna) and Sean killed them in a fit of rage etc

CASE WOULD HAVE BEEN SOLVED

It looks like that to me as well, I doubt Sean would of been involved with the attack as the pictures of him make it look like hes real easy going and has no problems with getting girls.

Alright so the latest is 2 suspects raped and killed Hannah while another one witnessed the murder.