richard_smith237

I'm not going to dig through 240 comments on a Facebook link. But, feel free to post the comment of the first responder on here - it might even be of value to the thread. Why have you not done that already if the comment is so supportive of your opinions ?

It landed on top of the poor woman. You mean it didn't skid 20 meters down the road because the motorcyclist was travelling at such speed ?

Yes, its flawed because it unintentionally implies intent or criminality, and lacks neutrality - its understandable that you can't recognise that. It's facebook - it has no concrete information... its just social media commentary. If there is a witness statement - its not been reported ?? - why is that ? (clue - because its not a witness statement) The American has clearly apologised, that is not an acceptance of fault or responsibility - its simply a human response, perhaps not one you would make when killing someone while you are drink driving, nevertheless its a sound human response to show remorse when someone else dies and you are involved even IF not at fault. No it doesn't - the vast majority of people are commenting that there is not enough information - thats not by any means even the remotest consensus agreeing that the motorcyclist is at fault. You are taking a few comments and leaping to a flawed conclusion, as you do with your dumb polls. A majority of opinions either blaming the rider or pedestrian by no means clarifies actual fault - the mere suggestion that it does highlights how fundamentally broken your thinking is. Agreed - It remains so astonishing for me that your thought processes are such a polar opposite to mine - I find it quite interesting. At the same time I find it amusing that you wrote such a comment without recognising the hypocrisy of your comment when so frequently engaging in debate on this forum !!!

You act as if you read the 240 comments on the Facebook but you didn’t. If you had of you would have seen first responders comments. Thats twice you have been caught out in this thread now. If I had read all 240 comments on a Facebook post !!! Do you even read the idiocy of the stuff you post....

Complete conjecture on all facets of your comment... If this motorcyclist was speeding, there would be damage to the bike - however, the absense of damage to the motorcycle suggest it wasn't even dropped... its possible this was a very low impact. Agreed....

And there is three. While you are arguing with everyone as usual you seemed to have forgotten what the OP actually is American on Dirt Bike Kills Thai Woman Crossing Road in Chiang Mai It couldn’t be clearer you muppet. A flawed headline is your proof - your education has failed you. The lady was not killed by the American - she died in an accident. With a basic education, one would understand to write "A pedestrian crossing the road was fatally injured in a collision with a motorcycle".....

So... no one who has ever ridden a motorcycle can get on one and automatically get on a machine, know how to change gears etc... has no need for training... Not in all states. It is in many countries (UK included)... With your comments GG, we're going down a rabbit hole of trollish stupidity I just can't be bothered with.

Are you for real ????.... The statement you have copied and pasted above is utter rubbish. It only holds true for 'non-road legal dirt bikes'.. There are also lots of 'road legal dirt bikes' such as the Honda CRF... But... If thats not enough to convince you... here is the actual dirt bike which was ridden by the American. Circled is the Tax sticker that proves this bike is road legal.

Never heard about a one punch victim on a dirt road Are you trying to imply that no-one ever slipped over hit their head and died on a dirt road ?...

There you are logic prevails !! Though, if someone runs out in front of a rider who has no time to react at all, their experience matters little. Of course, this remains to be seen - perhaps an experienced rider could 'predict such a hazard' with greater foresight than an inexperienced rider - but the point is still somewhat moot IF this tragic accident was the ladies fault for stepping out into the road without looking.

When you ask that question, are you being facetious, or are you actually stupid ? hmm... it seems its the the latter.... Of course motorcyclists are trained, they have to pass to complete a Basic Rider Course offered by the Motorcycle Safety Foundation (MSF) or a state-approved equivalent. Motorcycle Safety Foundation (MSF) Schools provide training for this. Motorcyclist in the USA do not have to get a motorcycle license, they can just buy a bike and go ride it ??? If this incident was not the Americans fault, his 'riding' ** history is irrelevant. If he somehow lost control of his motorcycle and crashed into the pedestrian on the side of the road, then his 'riding' experience becomes a factor, but this does not seem to be the case. **Note: You drive a car and ride a motorcycle Does the utter stupidity of the above comment really need to be explained to you GG ??? This is a dumb as the 'taxi argument' whereby it is sometimes quoted by some galactically halfwitted fool that 'If you are in a taxi and it is involved in an accident it is your fault as had you not been there, the taxi would not have been in that location to have the accident in the first place'.... There’s no need to delve further into the absurd labyrinth of logical missteps you’ve managed to string together in your comments.

Its just one comment.... Just as a Thai would see on reading this forum, there are dumb bigots and deranged apologists.... in between this are the majority of the comments that are balanced and just fly under the radar because they are not inflammatory. The above comment is no more representative of Thai society than Bobs or MalcomB's comments from the fringes of the 'attitude spectrums' are of the generalised attitudes of those on this forum.... Read Pantip.com forum (for Thai's) and we will see exactly the same range of comments... from nasty and bitterly damning, to irrationally apologist - its just a cross section of society, any society in any culture.

dirt bike [ˈdəːt bʌɪk] noun a motorcycle designed for use on rough terrain, such as unsurfaced roads or tracks, and used especially in scrambling. Utterly irrelevant - does any of this imply the vehicle is not 'road legal' ??? The discussion about 'dirt bike' is as irrelevant as suggesting it was a 'race bike' and should have been on the track.... Its a complete red-herring and just going down a pointless rabbit hole of distraction - completely irrelevant. There are photos of the Honda CRF with Tax - it was road legal. Plenty of forum members also ride such a bike on the roads here in Thailand.

Sure, are you also called Richard ??... ... You seem to have a strong familiarity with the nick-name Dick....

While I hope this is the case, "guilty until proven innocent" often seems to be the way with foreign people. And if he cannot prove it wasn't his fault... While forums such as this do have those who'll shout accusations of bias, unfair and targeted treatment - the reality is often different - stories of fair treatment tend not to draw the same degree of attention. We very rarely see the actual outcome of event such as this, there is never any follow up, so we are left with speculation. I would suggest that there would have to be proof that the American was at fault for him to be held to account from a criminal perspective. There are no witness statements that suggest the American was doing anything wrong - he was just riding down the road (apparently) - unless there is evidence such as CCTV or dash-cam footage from nearby traffic there is no evidence from on which to charge, and without witness statements there is no basis to file charges. From the perspective of Thai Policing, I can't see how this can be treated as anything other than a tragic accident.

No it doesn't.... Its just the name for the style of a bike... that by no means implies that it can't be used on a normal road. In fact the style of that bike is specifically for it to be ridden legally on the road to and from off-road locations.

Is there a video? Agreed... She 'could' have very easily stepped out from parked vehicle, into the road directly into the path of the motorcyclist.... Thus - to suggest she didn't appear out of nowhere is a flaw. That said - it still has to be mentioned that plenty of other possibilities exists... from standing on the centreline waiting to cross and getting hit by the motorcyclist who'd departed his lane, to running across the road and while the motorcyclist tried to avoid her, he couldn't - there are many possibilities where fault can be proportioned to either party or even shared.

Somewhat hypocritical when I've ignored your nasty anti-foreigner comments throughout the thread until you called me 'Dick' !!! But, you're not hated, insignificant and not thought of at all is more accurate... at least until you post something silly. Your comments are of value though, its important that those of us without mental health issues, see the bigotry and distorted bias exampled in your comments... Its good to know that such people exist, its easier for us to see the patterns and avoid such deranged mindsets if encountering them in person....

Yup - thats was my thoughts too... The BiB singling out a foreigner from a crowd when nearby loads of Thai's are doing this could have been a trigger point. That said, the video does seem to show a somewhat lantern free immediate environment, so he may have made himself an easy target. His reaction to the BiB was excessive, there is no reason to respond like that, none at all... its only a lantern. He could have release another lantern else where later on if he was so inclined. I'm surprised he got away with just a 3000 baht fine after all of that, it wouldn't have been an excessive reaction to arrest him and keep him in the cells for the night.

a Thai woman has been killed recklessly by a foreigner and you are worried about “nasty” comments about the man who killed her? RIP Ms. Ghia Yawn... You really have to try harder with your pathetic gas lighting... The American did not kill her.... she died in a traffic accident in which fault has not yet been established - until there is criminal liability, killed is far from the accurate term.

Of course - 100% agree.... But you write it as if you have had some miraculous epiphany regarding speed when you are stating the obvious. But... in this tragic event, there is no comment, or evidence of excessive speed and it doesn't take high speed or excessive speed to result in such a tragic outcome. No, but you are too stupid and too intent on shoe-horning in objection rather than to understand the comment. No one is denying or contradicting that - I'm not sure why you are even bothering bleeting on about it.

So you are taking your news from the facebook comments of Thai's who were not at the scene... its no surprise to me that you can be so outrageously dim. The American has not accepted fault... social media (FB) commentators have interpreted that from his actions, thats all. I can't believe I'm even bothering to respond to your incessant idiocy - but you are now pedalling baseless social media commentary as fact. It’s not just idiotic; it’s actively deceptive.

If you are thinking of buying a Motorcycle without a green book - don't, its likely stollen. If you already own a Motorcycle and have lost the green book, you can file a police report and get a new one from the DLT.

Speed kills. That is a fact Dont be so dim... The point is that its not speed that kills in such circumstances... A guy walking slipped over, banged his head and died... thus, it doesn't take much speed at all - that was the point of the comment. Unless you are being so half-witted as counting anything beyond being perfectly still as a form of 'speed' in which case it could be argued that 'movement kills' but to do so would be extremely idiotic - I wouldn't put that past you. Additionally, the only reason you came up with your moronic 'speed kills' comments was to deflect from your drink driving.... No, if you mention excessive speed kills, we'd be in agreement.

I thought you were claiming that a Thai came out of a side street and hit you a couple of weeks ago? If you are going to make up stories and least try and remember them. Valid point... I forgot about that... while riding my scooter, a young lad who pulled out without looking and clipped my number-plate. Yup - you've got me bang to rights there Malcy... just so many incidents.....