richard_smith237

It was in the news not so long ago how a man slipped on the steps at a resort and died after hitting his head. Thus - it doesn't take much speed at all to knock someone over, and they can easily hit their head on the ground. So... very poor fortune I'd say.

It is in English but offers no new details 🙂 Better pics though... Its in Thai - your browser might be 'auto-translating' the article.

One road incident in well over two decades Malcy... Take your dumb gaslighting elsewhere or get better at it...

Again more usual rubbish from you - there is nothing in this article (in Thai) that is not already mentioned in the Op. So don't try and pedal a Thai article that most people wont be able to read as if you are some culturally astute phenom when in reality there is no new information at all.

I had a similar incident... I was turning right, shortly after coming off a junction fly-over - a mini-van had travelled the wrong way down a bus-lane to pass all the traffic, instead of driving to the left of the fly-over (where all vehicles had to go)... The other vehicle had no insurance, was operating an illegal mini-van route, I witnessed someone come in and pay the police some money. The Police initially said it was my fault - they were siding with the bribe. I was calm, polite, stubborn - refused to accept fault - mainly because the other driver was faking injury and I didn't want to be on the hook for compensation. I didn't accept the polices decision and they clearly unconvinced themselves (I had lot of scene photos) - ultimately the police got angry with the other driver who kept lying - the issue was nudged up to regional level and we had to go to a different station. I was treated very politely and told: 50/50 - my insurance will pay for my car only and there is no possibility for a compensation claim. Job done - an interesting process and I while I could see the police were initially corrupt, I was able to prevent that from impacting me.

Admittedly, there are plenty of unusual occurrences in Thailand. However, they are a far cry from the exaggerated, disparaging national mindset you so often attempt to depict with your bigoted sweeping generalisations.

No they have not.... They've followed SOP for any road incident where a death exists. There has been no clear indication of fault in the reporting or actions of the Thai Police. I don't think so, not in my experience of over two decades here, my non-Thai (western) friends would argue the same. .... there is plenty of first hand anecdote which highlights that the police are simply indifferent. I have long highlighted that the Police here simply follow the path of least resistance. I've been involved in traffic incidents here and have not been treated unfairly or with negative bias. You gave in... perhaps unfair, but had you pushed it the police would very likely say 50/50.... there is also the 'cultural facet' that the (seemingly) wealthier party pays, especially if the other vehicle has no insurance - its very likely this was the case and the 'arbitration' of the police simply pursued the course that it would have had the incident taken place between two Thai's... This is often handled differently than we are familiar with in the West and the uninitiated will cry 'victimisation' when really, the response is culturally predisposed. This might highlight a lack of understanding of how things work here with regards to cultural disposition in the event of an incident - often the poorer party gets away with a lot of things, that does not automatically mean the foreigner is at fault as some imply - it just means the foreigner does not understand why fault is not allocated in the 'black and white' manner it may be back in our home nations.

....it's hard to be of balanced mind when one lives in a completely unbalanced country!!! At least you accept that your mindset is unbalanced... It could be argued that your bias is unhealthily distorted and way beyond and disproportionate to the imperfections encountered in Thailand.

Erm... some rather bizarre processing going on there GG... on a quiet road its not uncommon for riders to ride alongside each other. I'm not sure where your 'phone thing' comes in... he wasn't a grab rider ! Whats the relevance of that if a pedestrians steps out ??? Do you think he was on the wrong side of the road ? Whats the relevance of this ?... Are you accusing him of riding illegally and not having a license ? Also not, an IDP (permit not license) is not required for Americans as the Driving / Riding license is already in English. Why ? most riders trained overseas are far better educated to ride safely. Additionally, a rider could have decades of experience here and a pedestrian could step out in front of them at the last second at any time, training is somewhat moot when that happens.

My 'musings' are based solely on my experiences whilst living in Thailand for many years. As I assume yours are. I can't help/change my own subjective reality, can I rich?... Valid point - but you allow your bias to heavily impact your observations rather than intelligently view each situation based on its individual merit. In this case you use your bias to make wholly inaccurate and outlandish statements - if you were of balanced mind, you'd be capable of making balanced observations.

Wrong - there is no implication there at all. In 100% of road traffic accidents in Thailand involving a road fatality and more than one vehicle, the driver (or rider) of the other vehicle is 'automatically' charged with 'reckless driving causing death' - thats simply SOP for any such incident. When no fault is founds, the charges are automatically dropped. If fault is found, charges are pursued. --------------- For example - IF you are driving carefully, within the speed limit etc... and a drunk motorcyclist rides into the back of you at speed killing himself and you have dash-cam footage to show all that... You will still be initially be charged with 'reckless driving causing death' - the charges will of course very quickly be dropped once processing takes place.

Thai Traffic Law Section 32 states: 'The driver shall be careful not to hit pedestrians and may use the horn if necessary. The driver shall be especially careful with children elderly persons and disabled persons'. The police will decide, of course whether the above applies. As is often said 'RTP, the finest police force money can buy'. Thats somewhat irrelevant to my point regarding if he was not at fault... I questioned - If the American guy was riding 'normally' and the lady simply stepped out in front of him, why would jail time or any compensation be considered at all ???? - the answer of course it that it wouldn't !!...

Then, raise your standards and don’t limit yourself with such thoughtless musings, bigotry, or ignorance. I take each thread you comment on based on its individual merit. However, when you fall back on some of your more predictable remarks, I’ll address those accordingly, judging them on their own merit as well.

Bring (your) Own Bottle? That Bob? 😀 Bob - BarBoy (one in the same).... either that or the ability for BarBoy to recreate Bob Smith's inanity, bigotry and silliness is truly astonishing....

100% agree.... (I mentioned it earlier)... it is essential to ride (and drive) with Dash-Cams here (and anywhere else for that matter). I have a 'fixed fwd and rear facing' dash-cam (Innov) on my bike, that hopefully clears up any ambiguity with regards to fault and blame in such a devastating scenario.

Are you competing with Bob for the 'dim comment crown' ???

I'm not. That's usually how it goes. Hopefully I'm not the bearer of bad news, though I very much doubt you'll reach the epiphany of self-awareness... Given much of your content, Bob,... You are, thats usually how most of your posts go !!!...

...because he is a farang? Don't be stupid...

Its literally, in the OP !!!... Bias much ?.... While many motorcyclist are indeed reckless, there are also many pedestrians which show an astonishing absense of self preservation. I'm not sure why you think the riders of 'dirt bikes' are any worse than other riders - perhaps the noise they make has impacted your judgment ?

that's a very reasonable assumption. The women may have been standing in the middle of the road waiting for cars to pass and bike slipped through a gap and found her right in front of him without time to react. Many such cases. Or the pedestrian stepped out into the road at a the last minute and the motorcyclist had no time to react.... Many such cases...

No he won't do jail time. It will be a pay out to the bereaved family and a 'broker's fee' to the police. Job done. If he was not at fault and was simply riding down the road when the woman stepped out, why would jail time or any compensation be considered at all ???? If he was proven to be speeding or riding dangerously, thats a different matter.

This whole mindset is so very wrong..... The idea that the couple contributed to the attack because they didn't comply to the thugs demands, as if its the victims own fault - this highlights a bizarre underling mentality to try and forgive the unforgivable... its very strange.

Not the drivers responsibility they did not have Thai currency. Driver does not have to chauffer them around for free. You seem woke and entitled. I despise Phuket and I vote with my wallet. If you want to go then expect to pay up. Not worse than any capitalist scumbag western country. None of it would have happened if the Taxi drivers do not refuse to use the Meter. This was a Bolt - so there were simple solutions. The Bolt Fare was 570 baht (really ???) - the additional fare was 200 baht ? (really). IF the driver had turned on the meter for the extra distance - would the passengers have become so angry ? Regardless, thats no way to behave and the tourists were aggressive ayholes... Ayhole tourists - ayhole taxi drivers - its always one or the other causing problems and in Phuket these issues seem more common than else where, as if like attracts like.

No... thats your bias interpretation of what happend. What really happend - the facts. - American riding a Honda CRF down the road along side another rider. - A Thai lady attempted to Cross the road and was hit and killed. Thats ALL we know that happend so far.... your 'suggestion' that the American was a dingbat only serves to highlight an unintelligent bias, as does your 'polishing' of events as you imply the 'poor old Thai lady was out for a walk, as if she were safely walking down the pavement, when in fact she was crossing the road. I'm not sure whats wrong with some folk on this forum - the display an astonishing degree if unhinged bias, its so bizarre. We have various folk applying vitriolic anti-foreign sentiment, then we have others applying a nasty anti-Thai bias - whats so hard about applying intelligent balance ????

Because it took 3 months for the 'social media' to reach them. Authorities will have had no idea that such activities took place, none whatsoever, until someone high-up was embarrassed by it when someone showed them a social media post.... Its the same when some fool on a motorcycle posts videos online of themselves pulling wheelies down the main roads - the police react not because they saw it happen, but because someone became higher up 'embarrassed' and instructed subordinates to deal with it...