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3 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:I would rather my 12 year old child stayed off school than ride a motor bike to school, with or without a helmet.
I can't believe there would be no way for the child to get to school. Neighbours with children could share times to take the kids. There are song taews, busses, taxies, friends, relatives, neighbours, and even walk / pushbike.
There probably were alternatives, but given the widely used, socially acceptable and un-enforced easier solution of letting children ride motorcycles then children dying in accidents is an inevitably...
It's tragic, but it's par for the course... But, even those overloaded school-bus-songthaews are dangerous, so what are the alternatives? Kids riding pillion with an adult riding... But the adults are only marginally safer.
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What does one do if they've lost their 'blue' motorcycle ownership book?
Start looking for the Green one...
Do you have a photocopy of it?
Go to the DLT and they should be able to offer to a replacement.
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20 minutes ago, mogandave said:
Making a u-turn in front of someone and because are not able to slam the brakes on quickly enough makes it their fault?The Op points out that u-turn was complete, he was in lane and driving up to speed.
The pickup could not avoid him, thus, the pickup may have been travelling too fast or just wasn't paying enough attention.
It happens frequently here at U-Turns: drivers flash their lights and speed up to intimidate the u-turning car into waiting. I'm.not suggesting this happened here.
What I am suggesting is that if the Op has completed his turn and was in his lane then there 'should' have been plenty of time for the following car to slow and take avoiding action if he was paying full attention or wasnt travelling too fast.
That said, without video footage of the incident it's difficult to tell.
If the Op was hit on his side, I suspect everyone would agree 100% the Ops fault. But in this case the speed of the vehicle which hit the Ops car and/or inattention may also have been a factor.
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The speedometer stuck at 180kmh, but it could have been the impact which swing the 'needle' round that far before it stuck.
I'm not sure the dash-cam recorded the speed (sone do, some don't).
Nevertheless, more wasteful loss of life and the loss of an innocent passenger.
Luckily, no other innocents were involved which tragically is sometimes the case.
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1 hour ago, stevenl said:
I read the whole story.
He made the U-turn, so he is to blame, as admitted as well. Did you miss that part of the story?
Alternative is the U-turn had nothing to do with the accident.
I imagine that had the roles been reversed some posters may suggest that it was the Ops fault as he was travelling too fast and couldn't slow down enough to avoid the U-Turnung car (after it had u turned and was travelling straight).
IMO: The driver of following car which rear ended the Op ia at fault.
While the Op may also be complicit in the root cause of the accident, the speed of the following car which rear ended the Op, or the drivers lack of attention is the main fault.
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10 hours ago, whaleboneman said:Can you quote the law that states foreigners must have 1st class insurance to drive here? Or are you making up "facts".
He's not quoting a fact, just stating his opinion... It's not law that foreigners have 1st class insurance... But for many, myself included, it's considered essential and without it someone is opening themself up to the potential of having to pay for costly damages beyond what their compulsory insurance (Por-ror-bor) covers.
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Homepro? or some place like it?
Quick fix - Rubber bath mats.
Or, instead of installing 'grab bars' what about re-tiling and switching out to non-slip tiles ?
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Seems incredibly bizarre... perhaps the FA was new and had misunderstood ?
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Clumsy ignorance or simplistic innocence... either way, this photo is a perfect example of why Thailand is so popular for many of us, yet at the same time so conflicting when aspects are so fundamentally flawed...
That said, encouraging helmets for all is a step in the right direction...
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Lots of good advice so far in this thread...?
Especially having a good and trusted lawyer on hand. Recommendations for such a lawyer (knowledgable in RTA's) would also be very useful.
My input: if you are sure you are correct, refuse (politely) to accept blame. The BiB may switch the decision to the other party just for ease of process (path of least resistance), or they'll just claim 50/50 in which case you are not (may not) be liable for any further damages etc
In this situation: if having made the U-Turn and travelling straight (i.e. Truly rear ended), the other vehicle is travelling too fast and at fault - Op could have pushed this issue instead of caving.
Additionally, riding in the back of a pickup is illegal (although widely accepted) and the insurance will (I think) state the number of seats (persons insured). Thus, anyone over this is riding at the sole responsibility of the pickup driver.
Of course, people will just point out that the decision is down to the Police, but the policemsn who attends the scene (or at the station) do not have the final say and you can disagree (politely), the decision will get pushed up the chain.
When I disagreed with the decision that an accident was 100% my fault (accident with an uninsured minivan on a bus route - whose owner came in and made a pay off) the decision was pushed up to the chain and to another station (transport police I think) who quickly decided 50/50 which I accepted and the other party could not claim compensation against me for his 'fake' injury.
I was very stubborn, but also very cslm. The Police were polite with me throughout.
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39 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:
Yes I know. But seriously, are you insured, and have checked all possible exclusions for every eventuality?
Great if you are but slightly anal retentive.
Being anal-retentive, as you put it, it took me nearly 2 months of back and forth emails for my Insurance company to clarify in writing what they considered 'dangerous' activities for which there was an exclusions clause.
Eventually they provided me more specific terms (by e-mail).
The detailed exclusions etc are vague, even after purchase the 'fine print' often leave plenty of room to maneuver by the Insurance company.
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5 hours ago, Hummin said:
The interesting question is, who do thai girls like most?
Western from Northe Europe
Western from South Europe
Western from USA
Russia and former USSR
The countries that is likely to grow in volume is
India
Pakistan
China
I know for sure, thai really disslike India, Pakistanis and Chineese, and do not want to have anything with them to do. Or is my information wrong?
The characters offering this information from may not represent a true cross-section of the Thai population...
The view certainly seems extremely bias towards Westerners... In reality, unless working in the tourist industry or in areas of high tourist footfall Thai's seem rather indifferent.
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9 minutes ago, Wake Up said:
You have the right to an opinion like everyone. But when your opinion is always negative about Thailand I do think you should take your miserable aS@ and mouth somewhere else and that is my opinion. Or if you are stuck here because you made stupid mistakes in life and cannot live in a better place then do us all a favor and keep the bitching and moaning to once a week for Christ’s sake.
You'll have you outline where my opinion of Thailand is always negative... I think someone is clutching at straws :-(
The opinion on which you comment, is not of Thailand, its of those who post ridiculous drivel such as 'if you don't like it go home'... the negative opinion was infact of your post... and of course, now your limited reading comprehension.
Are you drawing on your own personal experiences when suggesting that I may be 'stuck here' or have made 'stupid mistakes in life'.... or 'cannot live in a better place ???... Now then, who has a negative opinion of Thailand ?....
Perhaps, by maintaining your balance and intellect you won't feel the need to use such unimaginative comments in your attempt at a revengeful post... 'miserable a$s and mouth'.. 'b!tching and moaning'... It looks like someone is having a keyboard meltdown... chin up, you can do much better than this...
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7 minutes ago, mjnaus said:
The same thing can be said for your wild imagination...
..read this thread again when you are all big and grown up and more resilient to having the wool pulled over your eyes....
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31 minutes ago, stevenl said:
That unfortunately is inherent to life. Sometimes you're not to blame for something, but will still be held responsible.
Agreed... unfortunately we have to be responsible for the actions of those who are unable to take responsibility themselves. Sometimes the law steps in, sometimes the law is infective, or more commonly in Thailand a more fatalistic approach is taken and those at a financial advantage may bear the brunt of the costs even when not at fault....
This thread is a good lesson for anyone considering medical and accident insurance....
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2 minutes ago, DavisH said:
I can count on two hands the number of times I've used public transport in nearly 20 years. I'll take my chances behind the wheel myself, thanks.
Which means you either don't drink, or you do and someone else drives you home, or you drink drive... or you never leave your home...
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8 minutes ago, mjnaus said:
You honestly sound rather silly making such statements just after Thai authorities stated the Chinese gentlemen weren't doing anything wrong and there won't be any consequences. But by all means, do keep beating that drum!
Your naivety clearly shines through your comment.
100's of guys were arrested for working illegally.... then all of a sudden there is an announcement that they had done nothing wrong...
.... of course, it couldn't be that a significant amount of changed hands to 'make the issue disappear' with a little face saving measure of smaller fines (TM30 forms not filled) thrown in to keep up appearances...
The guys who got caught simply played the game correctly...
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3 hours ago, thaifan01 said:Tragic story with the accident that never should have happened. Yes, money is and will be an issue in Thailand - like it is almost everywhere. I am prett bored of besserwisser's and haters around, please take a breath and think twice before judging. And if you don't like Thailand, what the h... are you doing there? Pack your bags and get your ass back home if Thais and Thailand is so bad!
You're sick and tired of the besserwisser's and haters...... Quite possibly not half as tired as members are of reading the 'if you don't like it go home' comments... but not to worry, you're not the first won't be the last to use what is ultimately a rather dim response.
Next you could upgrade to pointing out that 'we are only guests here and have no rights, thus shouldn't voice our opinion' !...
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11 minutes ago, torrzent said:
Vietnam is way more dangerous on a mini-hog...go there for the advanced crazy course carnage with no helmet up Highway 1, then come back and enjoy the peaceful thai style roads.
Why isn't the road fatality rate in Vietnam higher than Thailand then ?
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7 minutes ago, WonderfulDay said:
wait wait wait... didn't the government said Uber is illegal because you may not be insured if you are in accident?
Well, here is the "insurance" in reality. While Uber covers you upto $1M
Agreed... this was my argument (here on TV) when the debate arose regarding UBER's legality in Thailand.
The DLT suggested that UBER was illegal because the cars were private and fare paying passengers would not be covered by the drivers / car insurance in the event of an accident. My point at the time was, how many Taxis have insurance (A taxi without insurance hit my car before).
Thus: IMO the DLT should be paying up, or the owner of the taxi company.
That said: the injured party was naive in believing her insurance covered her. That said, its very difficult to get specifics out of insurance companies... It took me two months just to get in writing that it was ok to ride on the back of a motorcycle taxi or in a regular taxi without a seatbelt - these insurance companies are very slippery.
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2 hours ago, Wake Up said:
While I understand your frustration of appearance of a double standard, IMO the Thai people grow up riding bikes like USA kids grow up swimming and Europeans playing football. I know several thai kids who are better at driving a motorbike than most expats. The Thai bike drivers are not the main problem. The main problem is tourists that don’t drive a bike well and do not understand thai traffic customs are different here from other countries. So I applaud this rule change if it is enforced. Fewer young expat adults drinking and driving a bike in a foreign country and ending up dead is good move IMO.
Thailand being the #1 in the world for Deaths on the road per capita with 75% of those on a motorbike suggests otherwise.
Those several Thai kids who you suggest ride better than most expats you know are unlikely to be safer or ‘better’ than those expats who have undergone training and passed the stringent tests for licensing in their home countries.
Thus: while enforcing retail regulation is applaudable, as is the enforcement of any ‘common sense regulation’ this sort of misses the point they so many Thais are also unlicensed... what’s good for the goose has to be good for the gander...
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2 minutes ago, Darren palmer said:I think its a good idea to fine the hire company to they make sure the tourist has a license , ive seen tourists hire bikes and not even get 100 yards up the road before they smash them selfs up, then the hire companies are rubbing there hands and ripping them off with the cost of bike repairs, how many times have we seen tourists with no insurance on these fund me pages asking for money for medical bill's because they decided they didn't need the £20 - £30 extra charge on there package holiday....?.....
Not nearly as many times as I see Thai guys to dangerously idiotic stuff on their motorcycles.... the only outstanding question is whether they are licensed or not.
Of course, being licensed won't stop these guys from doing dangerous and idiotic stuff on their motorcycles, but the heavy fines might.
Stringent and consistent enforcement of the regulations with impacting and consistent penalties for all who use Thailands roads is the primary solution to many of Thailands traffic woes.
In targeting foreigners the intelligent and common sense approach to road safety has been kneecapped by greed.
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This is disgusting.... 'if Tourists' - 1000baht fines & Confiscation of the Bike...
So what about Thai's riding without a license? This is nothing more than the police creating an easy target, a money maker... Its clumsy, its xenophobic, it stinks...
IF the announcement was that if anyone is caught driving without a licence they would face a 1000baht (or more would be better) and confiscation of the bike.... it would be much better... but as it is, unbalanced penalty stinks...
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.... at least a refreshing new excuse !
12 year old motorcycle rider killed in Wichit after head crushed by tour bus
in Phuket News
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That doest make it safe...
Many of Thaivisa 'twighlight years' posters grew up without seatbelts, child car seats, without bike helmets, played in the forest with airpistols..etc etc and they'll all claim they were/are fine...
Who can't claim they are fine are those silent voices of those who unnecessaryily died, became permanently incapacitated, or who's life was simply changed to such a degree that visiting Thailand was never an option (hence no voice on a forum such as this)....
Since I was a child, schools were either walkable along a footpath or free transport was provided (UK). Of course, this can't be compared to Thailand...
But just because the safety knowledge was absent in our home countries when we were young does not mean It should be ignored in light of obvious risk today.