richard_smith237

This seems to imply that you think my posts are 'Thai Bashing'... which is a little odd given the flow of discussion...

Sitting in a car, stereo on. Bag brushes your car ...why would you even notice. Absolutely did not happen. The driver chased him down for a reason. He whacks his car, driver honks, OP flips him off. Driver goes after him. Thats why its a secret. Plenty of possible scenarios I agree.... and the Op is being deliberately quiet... I also agree with BritMan that no matter what happened, even if he did smash his car then flip him off etc, the escalation to potentially lethal force is excessive.... So.... what happened BritMan ??? - Did your bag 'bang' the drivers Cars ??? - Did you ignore it and ride off without an apology' which angered the Driver who gave chase ? or... - Did the drive honk and you retaliated with the finger, told him to eff off before trying to ride off and were chased down ? How did the other driver know your bag had 'brushed' his car if it was such a mild 'non-event' ???

I refuse to use money, bribery or influence to change any outcome in my favour. That would make me as corrupt and unworthy as the Thai authorities. If you can think of any rta offence that would justify attempted murder, I'd like to hear it! You have not even filed civil charges, but are using an example of another case where civil charges were filed. So you are not comparing like for like when using the example of the Swiss man kicking the Doctor. You are saying this is attempted murder because you are approaching the discussion with emotional bias. This appears to be vehicular assault.... possibly even 'aggravated' vehicular assault - but that can't be ascertained as you are being secretive as to the specific events of the 'bag brush'... I'm not actually sure what your point is on this thread - as using the comparison with the Swiss Man kicking the Doctor is not similar at all to a man running you off the road.... I think you are looking for sympathy for your Bias that the Thai legal system is unfair against foreigners, but your examples are not comparable when you are too lazy to file any further charges, if you want action, you have have to be the one to push for it.

Agreed... So what did the driver say ?? ... According to BritMan it was something along the lines of... "I deliberately tried to kill that Farang" So... do you believe that is what is really on record ??? Yep.. this is why I've been asking... Brit is avoiding all parts of this discussion, why ? Agreed.... So I'm wondering what it was that provoked this driver ? The only mention has been that Brits Bag brushed his car...... If thats all it was, then its nothing and the driver is insane. BUT... is that all it was ??... Did Brit try and apologise on the spot ??.... etc etc.

Thats ok - perhaps the Forum would do well to colour code posts... i.e. Colour those with a Thai Bashing sentiment in red - then it'd be easier for you to remain in your eco-chamber that all Thai's are bad and hate foreigners. Given the comments of a number of posters on this forum its easy to identify those posters whose encounters with Thai's are more negative than positive and its easy understand why when they openly exude so much negative bias....

It seems you are implying that All Thai's treat all foreigners like Dogs..... (or less than) and those who have not encountered this diminished level of treatment are blind and 'will not see' ??? you clearly lack the ability to see outside of your limited experiences and thus project with bigotry and bias... The reality is, many of us here are just not losers and have not made such poor choices that those around us treat us like dogs.... we are mutually respectful and respected and life is just normal - not this constant battle against the Thai's who always hate us as posters such as yourself seem to imply. I'm perfectly happy with the respectful manner with which I am treated in Thailand and thats anywhere from a little cafe to a Police station...

Yes... your aim seems to be one about seeking sympathy and shoe horning in an unrelated incident to cry foul play. It has been mentioned repeatedly that the 'other case' involved civil charges being pressed. No criminal charges have been pressed. It has also been stated officially that the Swiss man will not be deported for his actions. In your example, you have done nothing to press for civil charges, thus the police have not pursued any further action. This is where you are wrong.... Any inequality exists because you are lazy and have not filed charges. You want an echo-chamber of support, with posters telling you all Thai's are bad and hate foreigners, but thats not true. You are being treated as you are because you haven't given anyone an option or push to treat you in any other manner. Up to you if you believe that... but you have given the 'authorities' (Thai Police in this case) no indication that you are 'any more important' that a Thai Factory worker who'd be treated exactly the same... with a general indifference.... The Police will not file Criminal charges unless forced to as it involves a lot of extra work, additionally, there may be no criminal charges to file, because the statement of facts on the police report do not match your comments that the 'guy admired to trying to kill you'... AND... you are still have not mentioned what triggered the other driver... or given any description of that part of the incident which lends to a suspicion that you are cherry picking the parts of the story you want the forum to know about.

I agree... I do carry negative bias against Thai's in a number of posts.... I carry negative Bias against Thai authorities when were discussion road safety, I carry negative bias of the Thai police when dealing with the same issues. And I also read the repetitive negative bias from a number of posters who it seems are unable to look at Thai's and their actions in any favourable light. Thus: When you make a false claim that the The Thai Legal system is dishonest, unfair and unjust against the foreigner, I have highlighted that the degree of negative bias against Thai's frequently surfacing in your posts suggests your input is far from factual and based on emotion rather than fact.

Makes a huge difference! If the g/f was Buriram Noi, they would see that your influence would likely be very low. Quite possibly - But Buriram Noi and similar have never been on my radar.... perhaps for those reasons, but also for the reasons that I have nothing in common with an uneducated girl from anywhere, so have never been interested in dating anyone who is below my socio-economic-educational bracket.... ... that may sound very snobbish and objectionable, but I'd never date someoene like that in the UK, so why here ?... Awkward for some to swallow when trying to justify why they are married to the 'cashier'... but life is certainly easier when you are not forced into those brackets - perhaps thats why some complain they get treated lower than the dog, even by the one they married.

For anyone who's ridden a long time, it happens... not daily, but it happens. I took off side panniars for that reason, but sometimes have a football kit bag on the back that sticks out at the sides slightly, easy to knock a mirror when splitting traffic etc... So the act of 'brushing' someone else's car is not cause for this escalation of 'chase down and vehicular assault'... So, either the driver is a complete wrong un.... or Brits side of the story needs balancing out a little so we can see what really triggered the driver.

I know of numerous cases where the Westerner has been treated fairly... On the other hand I know of nearly every single thread you have posted in Steven100 where you put down Thai's and accuse them of all negative things under the sun.... With absolutely certainty you wont be relaying an stories which are without bias - its not in your posting DNA to be fair or factual when referring to anything Thai.

We, who is the 'we' ???? ... Do you mean, yourself and anyone else so weak-minded to accept being treated like this ??? Because, I can comment with certainty that my Western Friends Married here and myself are most certainly not treated like a dog... i.e. we are not at the dog status in the pecking order... I do know one who would believe so, but thats more do to with the way he acts, getting drunk every night and treating his wife disrespectfully and her him, he get treated like a dog and its not a situation I'd allow myself to be in. No they wouldn't... and they're not talking about that for the SwissMan either - in fact they have publically stated that they are not taking this course of action. You have also missed the point that this was a civil case and compensation was solved through 'civil channels' and no criminal case (as yet, exists - for the Swiss Man kicking the Doctor). No its not, but I imagine playing the victim is in your household is if you are so quick to jump to such a conclusions. So you feel you are treated at the level of a dog, are treated with racism... and you accept this ??? - thats very depressing. Its the same protection a Thai would receive in similar circumstances - do you think a Thai would get millions of baht in compensation ? They wouldn't, unless the case were taken public by the media... I do agree, after all the pain and agony Brit faced, there should be some form of compensation. I also agree that Criminal Charges should be investigated, but only IF ops statement is correct and the driver has admitted in a police statement that he chased down Brit with the intent of killing him.... But, I think it more likely that the statement includes the admittance that 'the Driver was angered by Brit who's bag struck the car and Brit rode off without apology so he chased him down and accidentally hit him' (or words to that effect)... We can't tell if Brit is being defensive and refusing to answer questions about the incident that may not shine a favourable light on his own actions.

Indeed.... So... Apparently BritMans bag bumped the Thai Guys Car.... But this bump was not significant enough for BritMan to notice... but significant enough for the driver to notice.... Seems there is something missing here.... Is BritMan being completely open with the facts ??? he's refusing to comment on this 'trigger point'.... I'm wondering why... Either... - There was no impact and the driver is just immensely unhinged. - There was very minor impact, the driver heard it but Brit didnt notice and rode on, angering the driver more (due to lack of apology). - The Impact caused damage, but Brit didn't notice ? and didnt stop. - The impact caused damage and Brit rode on regardless and got caught by the angry driver. It seems the aim of the thread is not to discuss facts, or even to discussion what may have triggered such a response. It seems the aim of this thread is to garner sympathy that a University Lecturer tried to Kill BritMan..... facts are less important.

I wont go to these places, not to eat anyway.... But my Wife has taken my son to a couple of different 'petting cafes' when he was younger. Not for the food, but to play for a set period of time to play with the cats, dogs... in one case I think it was a wombat.... Some of these are 'petting cafes' where the animals are already there and the customers come to play with the animals. Others may just be 'dog friendly cafes' where its open knowledge that customers can take their dogs there. I wonder if this story involves the latter... and the 'Foreign man' went to the cafe with no idea that it was a cafe which welcomes pets and then became irritated and acted as he did. That point is somewhat moot anyway - throwing a glass at anyone for any reason is unacceptable behavior.

That makes it a criminal case. IF what BritMan states is factually true - no reason it isn't but, did BritMan even get to read the statement of the other driver and understand it (as it will be in Thai). i.e. Is there a Police Report which states that the driver confessed to 'trying to run over and kill BritMan' ?? I very much doubt it. But, I do believe it more likely that there may be a statement which states something similar to this..... 'the driver confessed to getting angry after BritMans bag damaged his car and he didn't apologies, so he chased down BritMan and accidentally hit him'... What BritMan states is a confession, may be very different to what is actually written in the statement - 6 pages in and BritMan still will not discuss the trigger... i.e. he will not mention how hard his bag hit the car etc... he will not mention if he tried to say sorry at the time etc... So... I don't think we're getting 100% unadulterated emotion free facts here....

Well, lets just say, thats your racist bigotry surfacing. Having been here for a couple of decades, I have on rare occasions felt that the person I am dealing with is particularly 'anti-foreigner' (one lady at the DLT Area 3 in Bangkok springs to mind)... But, I don't project a few minor negative encounters and then paint with a broad sweeping brush. In contrast to your negativity [Pub2022], I find that the vast majority of Thai's have no opinion of foreigners whatsoever, they are simply indifferent as there is no interaction. I also find that across all socio-economic-educational brackets the Thai's with whom I interact, either on a regular or temporary basis show a level of respect and comfort around me that highlights your statement that 'many of them do not really like us' is completely false.... ... You could be talking from a personal perspective and have found that for numerous reasons you may not endear yourself to the average Thai and encounter unfavourable response as a result, however, I think most on this forum find daily interaction with Thai's quite a normal encounter and not something which indicates any hint of what you are suggesting (Thai's being racist against foreigners - certainly not on a daily interaction face to face basis)...

I think the BiB see all traffic accidents as just that... 'traffic accidents' and so long as someones medical bills and damages are taken care of then it seems they think there is no point taking any further action. It is only when further action is forced, either through legal measures, media attention or someones connections that anything is done. Contrary to the belief of some, this isn't about foreigner vs Thai... its just about the Police being so very very lazy and not wanting to take any further action than the very basic involvement unless forced to do so.

Your implication that any Thai female wearing shorts and a tank top is a hooker is insulting to a large proportion of the female population here and highlights a strong lack of critical observation....

What happened to him (BritMan) is clearly appalling... But, I do think he prefers perpetuating the myth that foreigners here are treated unfairly and posting with that deliberate bias and leaving out key information, rather than actually evaluating the situation with any form of critical accuracy. I think that when making threads such as this, people such as the Op are looking for a sympathetic eco-chamber rather than critical feedback.

It seems there are a handful of posters who think like this.... There always seems to be some form of common ground.... Bigotry and sweeping generalisations, and while you have not presented a strong example of either in your above 'one liner', your comment does make me wonder if you are not also one of these foreigners who behaves in a 'certain manner' which is why your experience of Thailand more closely matches BritMans, than someone who has experienced a more 'normal integration' into society here.

If he had to pay a large amount of money to you that would be punishment, doing nothing certainly isn't punishment. Lawyer can push police for a criminal case also, it's not either or Agreed... If action is taken to push this to a civil case, it may get the attention of someone higher up the police chain asking, why are we not doing anything about this ??? Or... it 'could' even work if when taking civil action asking why criminal action is not being taken... Certainly sitting back and doing nothing means no action will taken at all... Why would the police here bother if the injured party can't even be bothered ????

And get a fwd and rear dash cam... I have the same on my motorbike too. It wont be 100% perfect - but it will catch most things.

We can also have influence in the way we act and present ourselves. When I was involved in an accident here in my mid 20's.... I was very calm, very polite, but very firm and unwavering in fault. After all was dealt with the person *assisting me was asked if I worked at the British Embassy, they apparently taken aback and became somewhat concerned as to my 'connections' given the quiet confidence with which I'd acted. * It was an ex GF who assisted - not someone of influence herself, but an overseas Masters Graduate and someone from a background of relative wealth so the police could tell I was not your everyday breed of expat monger.... so I suspect that may have made a difference. But, it also matters who we know on occasion. I recall being in a bar and getting told to move off a certain table by a Policeman, because he wanted to sit there. I refused.... he didn't like that and kept saying police, I policeman, you move... I just told him I didn't care. He hung around attempting to appear menacing but I had an ace up my sleeve. I was when I got grabbed from behind, that this guy recognised his mistake... stood up recognised my friend and we hugged. For the rest of the evening the 'guy who tried to get me to move' was mixing my Whisky Soda and kissing my backside"... His boss's (by numerous levels) was my close friend of many years.... the junior policeman found out very quickly his place and my place in the pecking order... Its always good to have something in the back pocket in any potential sitation here.

And you have a Dash-cam (rear and fwd facing) and have the video of him doing this and the video of his licence plate ?? (Yes / No ?). I too hate these types, but, it hasn't yet happened to me where any damanage has been caused, but people have clipped my mirrors, usually very midly, they just wave or wai to sai sorry. While riding, a couple of times I have 'clipped' someones wing mirrors, it happens... I stop and say sorry, thats the least I can do. In this case - I'm wondering the exact extent of the 'trigger'..... (i.e. the sequence of events that led to being chased down).

Its going to be difficult for you to face reality while you operate under extreme bias. - You hit his car and didn't stop or apologise (becasue you thought it was nothing?). - Driver got angry, retaliated and knocked you off - this isn't attempted murder. - Someone kicking someone, also isn't attempted to kick them to death. If you start writing without bias and just tell the facts as they are, you may get better advice... Firstly, we do not know if the 'vehicular assault' in you was aggravated, its seems as though it was, but you wont discuss this. But this is key as to how seriously this 'attack' is dealt with by the Police and if you (BritMan) have not pushed for a criminal action, then the BiB are hardly likely to be bothered at all.