richard_smith237

Agreed... I think we all remember the issues with the kids 'hoverboards' catching fire.... although that was somewhat of a media 'pile-on'.... Newer Zeekrs use the LFP (i.e. the Zeekr 007, 7X & Mix), XPENG P5 also uses LFP.... Nevertheless, I didn't go with a Chinese Brand because of varied reasons, primarily, I liked the car I chose, also the lack of dealership access seemed to be an issue (for me)... and of course, I wanted a Lithium Iron Phosphate (LFP) battery not a Ternary Lithium (NMC) battery for the reasons mentioned already in this thread.

I rode up the steeps in Grizedale (lake district UK) on a Haibike Mountain e-bike - with a 'baby trailer' (a dedicated trailer to carry children for my 2 year old)... I couldn't believe how much power it had... I wanted one for Thailand instead of a motorcycle (for local trips etc)..... The issue of course is how easily something that valuable and that light is stolen when popping to a 7-11 and having it out of sight for 10 mins... Thus... the viable alternative is the adaptation as above - but there is also the speed concern. On a motorcycle (and e-Motorcycle) you can travel at 'traffic speed' without other bikes and cars passing at speed..... It is the speed 'differential' which I find lethal in Thailand when having ridden a bicycle here...

Does the dog have no shame ???? Seriously though - this seems pretty much ideal for the conditions the op mentioned...

If you are paying out of pocked and wish to limit expenses there could be a few options open to you. A) See if the same Dr. you are seeing at the private hospital works at a public hospital (they often do) and see what the price would be there. B) Register at a public hospital and seek treatment (and a quote) there which 'should' be cheaper, though maybe you'll have more waiting around etc

Are you competing with Harrisfan for dumb and moronic comment of the day ?

I've been cautious of Chinese products for a long time, often falling foul of poor materials and workmanship... (even snapping a spanner and smashing my hand in the process)... there are still lots of horrible cheap Chinese parts on the market and I suspect a huge range in quality will still be available.... I would still be very cautious, but more so of the quality of materials, brakes etc than the battery tech which China seems to do very well.

Yeah... but does anyone want to actually be seen on one ???? What do you do, fold up the missus and place her in the box ???? This is the 'true epitome of the saying 'scooters are like fat girls, great fun until your mates see you on one' ????

EV's low on power ???... You truly haven't checked this out before posting, why not ? The Tesla Model 3 performance can do Zero to 100 kmh in 2.9 seconds - thats a supercar beater and only surpassed by what now are called Hypercars. The BYD Seal Performance does 0-100 Kmh in 3.8 seconds. The SUV KIA EV 5 does 0-100 Kmh in 6.1 seconds. No cars in their segment are quicker.... (unless looking at RS model Audi's or AMG Mercs etc). Regarding sales: Sales trends of all vehicles slowed down in 2024.... with EV's still holding a minor part of the market sales trends slowed the least with ICE's actually having a negative trend shift. As below from 2023 to 2024 - Regular ICE cars saw a -4.3% drop in sales. - Pick-up ICE's saw no change - EV's saw an increase in 66.7% (which is actually reduction in the previously increasing rate / trend rate, nevertheless a 66.7% growth). This also shows that EV's have a 5% market share, but have increased that market share from 0.1% in 2020 to 1.2% in 2022, 3% in 2024..... this there remains growth as a percentage of the market...

Your local friendly TukTuks for 300 baht or Song Thaews, which will move off in the heat when they are full and ready to go...

I wanted to deal with a second point: Would you Lacessit avoid any EV (Car or motorcycle) because of this ??? The reason I ask, we switched to an EV (car) less than 6 months ago and its charged 'under' our house.... the risk of our EV catching fire is something I consider insignificant... as equally insignificant as an ICE catch fire (which of course is greater)... and if either catch fire at night, well, it will be burning a long time before we notice while we are asleep... IF this every bothered me about an ICE I'd be parking well away from the house. If it ever bothered me about an EV, I'd be parking well away from the house. I think social media, paranoia and over dramatisation of such issues have generated an irrational fear and attitude towards EV's.... none of us seem too concerned carrying around phone in our pockets and charging it next to us at night, or a laptop on a plane etc... I'm not really sure why this continues to be a discussion in an intelligent debate - personally, I think its a distraction from 'stronger points' such as quality of materials used in these EV motorcycles, such as brakes, rims, ABS and other critical components...

True.... but then if we are going down that road... whats the statistical risk of getting into an accident on a two wheeled vehicle ? etc etc.. what is the statistical risk of an LiFePO4 battery catching fire on a motorcycle ? If we are going to start discussing 'risk' lets at least put into into a sensible context The ICE vs EV fire risk has been done to death on this forum already do the same old arguments and misinformation (amongst valid information) need to be rehashed ? - if someone wants specific information on fire risk, there is enough info on that. Additionally, given their size, a lot of the EV Motorcycle batter tech is involves 'replaceable batteries' because the 'weight vs range' issue is difficult to overcome - so we could see a future where 'generic batteries' are swapped out and charged offsite. But, the point made my OMF did trigger the point that if going the EV motorcycle route one should be looking at an LiFePO4 battery above all others (under current tech).

Amusing response - Touché !!!... Do you usually just 'skip' the biscuit ?

Again... Valid point - which is why discussions such as this are important so that the 'uninitiated' know to look out for vehicles which utilise LiFePO4 batteries and not just concentrate on random photos of children's stand-on scooter that have caught fire Agreed - but again, take a balanced approach to the risk... For example, if you were a 'non-motorcycle rider'... you may wish to post photos of guys in hospital and highlight the risk of an accident on two wheels... its is a risk right - but also off-topic... Your point is closer to topic - but you present a strong bias which isn't really contributing. There are enough EV vehicles out there now to know that the risk of fire is rather insignificant (that doesn't mean risk free)... If someone asks about a Ducati, you are not going to post photo's of Ducati's that have caught fire....

Something such as the NIU MQi GT - seems like one of the best options for Thailand.... ... Though I dont like the look of the thing, the specs seem ok. https://www.niu.com/uk/product/mqi-gt https://www.facebook.com/niumobility.th/

I think you can find scores of ICE fires that could not be distinguished until the car was a bare shell... The 'fire risk' is a complete red-herring for any such discussion and only serves to exercise bias unless digging into the specific types of batteries involved for the purposes of education and knowledge. LiFePO4 batteries are now regarded as very safe - IF looking for an Electronic Motorcycle, I'd be looking for one which uses this type of battery.... so the point is valid, but I don't thing the bias is.

Indeed its hardly empirical evidence or any value as a stat... But, it has raised a valid point - given the types of batteries some of these motorycles use, are they up to muster ??? I looked at an Electric Motorcycle a couple of years ago and decided against based on the following: - Range (not good enough) - Battery (tech not good enough). - Top speeds too low. - I wanted 12" min (preferably 14" wheels). - Manufacturers (unknown and quality of materials unknown). - I wanted ABS - unclear information out there. I figured back then the 'electric bikes' were will in their infancy, so I opted for an ICE motorcycle. If looking again, I'd been doing more research for an e-Motorcycle, but it still seems the 'only' solid one out there is the eVespa - thats not really very good at all, although its been around for a while.

A game you've long discovered a natural winning skillset for....

Tip which guys ??.... the ones chasing you with a 10" hunting knife... ??? You stop and say to random folks on the street.... "Here you go chappy, have this 100 baht as a measure of good service"....

I agree.... But 4 of the images you posted were of 'childrens stand on scooters' (or that type)... you are muddying the waters with bias... This thread could be a good source of information... about fire risk too, especially concerning the risks of some batteries over others... The Op is after an Electric scooter / bike, so we can assume he means in replacement of something like a Honda Click or Wave etc... so something of that style.

To place a balanced perspective... It's widely acknowledged that ICE cars are more likely to ignite and burn than EV cars. Can the same be argued for motorcycles ??? OR... are the current 'stock' of EV motorcycles still in their battery infancy and more less susceptible to their reliability with regards to how readily they may ignite compared to ICE bikes. As a side note: The tube out of my fuel pump split on my bike and fuel spilt all over the hot engine, it surprised me that the thing didn't go up in smoke !!... When chosing an electric bike - I'd consider range, but also the battery type as LFP batters (as they have in the cars) are generally considered far more safe - so I'd only consider an electric motorcycle with such a battery. Then there are e-Bikes, e-Scooters, Electric Motorcycles - It seems @OneMoreFarang you've been somewhat unfair and bias in the information you have provided. I'd like to see stats on 'like for like' electric motorcycles with an LFP battery and see how they stack up against their ICE counterparts.... But... equally so, this is a valid topic - I think it would be far better discussed without the irrational bias that stems from an absense of knowledge... One point I would make - the torque that comes with EV's could make an EV motorcycle extremely quick off the mark, perhaps dangerously so.

Effort - thats the problem... The laws and regulations here are all perfectly decent and match many of those in our home countries... ... the simple difference is the absense of consistent and firm enforcement, which effectively enables complete disregard amongst the general public for any respect of the laws.

Agreed..... I wonder what provokes these heartless sanctimonious c0ckwombles to make such dimwitted and ill thought out comments.... .... A guy with three young kids, desperate for the return of his wife, worried sick, clearly of very poor means and the only comment some posters can make is to pass judgement on the finances... IF YOU ikke1959 and edwardflory are so great - find a way to help them out... ... Get into contact with the Aseannow news team and find out how you can make a donation to support this family.... use some of this 'spare cash' you have growing on trees...

Look the the signs.... ah.. .erm... yeah.. valid point !!... Years ago, it took me a while to work it it out too, and its only in certain area's and not in others. The 'Odd - Even Rule' is that on Odd days of the Month (1st, 3rd, 5th etc) cars can park on one side of the road..... And on Even days of the Month (2nd, 4th, 6th etc) cars can park on the other side of the road.... .... I believe this was to do with some form of past conflicts which existed with Vehicle blocking the visibility of peoples shop fronts etc... and the road was too narrow for parking on both sides.... Its one of those Thai things... clear as mud, but locals seem to get it... To this day, when I'm in an area that 'may' have such parking, I still look out for signs and still can't easily work out which side I park... I usually rely on a local who will quite assertively shout at me... "no no, you, you, no, no, go, you go, go......... " (and its usually this sort of 'ill mannered' comment because the area is in a location where parking is hotly contested in area's of high tourist footfall and the locals have become tainted to towards foreigners).... Meanwhile in other area's of lesser tourist footfall, someone may come up to me and softly explain in Thai... "sorry, today you cannot park here, park on the other side"... and there will be smiles all round.... Location location !!!

What about the 'netizen outrage of foreigners bringing Thailand into disrepute' ????? Oh.. not foreigners... but are we sure ??.. How do we know a couple of our forum favourite 'farang bashers' were not in the mix doing their bit for Thai-farang relations ? Surely had a 'Brit Been' involved they (specific two posters) would have been dribbling gurgling their spaff all over this thread already...

A lot of that info is already at our fingertips now without having to resort to asking for questions on here... so that content may have changed now unless looking for personal recommendations. I've had some extremely useful 'recommendations' on this forum in the past... The medical section is excellent - lots of good advice and of course the visa section is still there. The food recommendations are good although tastes are quiet different - Best burger each year is often a good one as everyone likes a burger, and so many new places pop up. Where to get a good reasonably priced quality steak is a good one... For me that would be at home. a 2" thick wagyu short bone tommahawk (or Cote de Beuf) skillet seared... then oven finished (with garlic butter and rosemary of course)... So those discussions are always good...