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  1. 46 minutes ago, aright said:

    What Remainers like to do is incorrectly quote the ECA. 

    The ECA states that in the event of conflict EU Law overrides national law. 

    Where the interpretation of EU law is in doubt, the 1972 Act requires UK courts to refer judgment to the European Court of Justice...…...and we can all guess the outcome to that one

    It is not legally possible for Parliament to contradict EU Law but if they were to do so for whatever reason the reasonable question to ask is......

    What's the point in being in a club where you can ignore the rules and pick and mix the laws you want to adopt or discard. Better to be independent to prevent such conflict.

    I'm glad that you can 'guess the outcome to that one' as the realities of how this actually plays out is vastly different to what most Brexiters would have you believe.

    'Since 2003 the European Commission has opened over 750 complaints against the UK for failing to follow or apply EU law. The UK resolved 668 of these complaints before even reaching the court through negotiation and informal dispute resolution (so the vast majority of cases don't even get to court). In the end, the Commission decided to refer only 83 of these cases to the European Court. The UK won around a quarter of the cases against it: the highest success rate of any country that joined the EU before 2004 and the third-highest success rate of any country in the EU now. 

    Environmental issues are those most likely to see the UK end up at the European Court, the paper reveals, because such cases are often costly to resolve. For example, the UK has repeatedly been taken to court for failing to implement a 1991 directive on the management of urban waste water because water treatment plants are expensive to provide'.   

    https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/news/latest/new-analysis-shows-uk-rarely-taken-european-court

    What I said about the UK Parliaments ability to contradict EU laws still stands as it theoretically possible for it to do so BUT since the UK became a member of the EU it has set EU law as precedent which of course requires adherence to its laws. However, I would suggest that this is much more to do with the fact that the vast majority of EU law is sensible and there to protect the populace rather than business or those with a bigger bank balance than anything else. 

    We can argue semantics about this all day but the point of the scaremongering from Brexiters about 'losing control to crazy EU laws' does not bear out when you take the realities of the situations that have come around over the last 16 years. There has simply been no where near the amounts of disputes happening as the Brexit camp would have you believe and scare stories about 'wrong shaped bananas' and 'water doesn't stop dehydration' are just simply that; scare stories trying to convince a gullible populace that the EU is just a bunch of crazy, overpaid (might have a point there) bureaucrats.   

     

  2. 6 hours ago, vogie said:

    Don't try and over think this RR, you might miss the point I was making.

    But having said that, if you get independence will you have your own legal systems etc, of course not, you would have the EUs.

    It could be said that the SNP are not Scottish nationalists, but are indeed EU nationalists.

    Remember you are not talking for all of Scotland.

    Firstly Scotland already has it's own legal system that is separate and different from England - http://www.ltscotland.org.uk/the-differences-between-the-english-and-scottish-law/

    Secondly, this idea that EU law will overtake Scottish law (or indeed British law) does not hold water as in the UK, we also have the idea of parliamentary sovereignty, which holds that Parliament is the highest source of authority to make laws without restriction. Parliamentary sovereignty is a principle of the UK constitution. It makes Parliament the supreme legal authority in the UK, which can create or end any law. However what the Brexit brigade love quoting is The European Communities Act, passed by Parliament in 1972, which accepted the supremacy of EU law. However this does not stop Parliamentary sovereignty, it is very possible for Parliament to contradict EU laws

  3. 4 hours ago, Jip99 said:

     

     

    Seems they want another chance......... and another maybe....... until they get a result that only a current minority want.

     

     

    Sound familiar ?

    Oh change the record for gods sake. You Brexiters use this inane argument all the time and frankly it's getting boring.

    Scotland voted to remain in the UK in 2014 by a pretty small margin, 2 Million to 1.6 million (55% to 45%) before the matter of leaving the EU was even a thing. In the EU referendum, 62% voted to remain in the EU, a significant increase. The logical argument therefore goes that if those that voted to stay in the UK thought that meant also leaving the EU, what would the numbers have been then?

    Unlike you Brexiters with your 'it was voted on, so it must happen', most Scots are sensible enough to know that the goalposts have moved so significantly since the original vote and another vote MAY be the appropriate and right thing to do.

    I also think that now a no deal Brexit is looking highly likely, another referendum should occur because NO ONE (be honest when you answer this) had even heard about a no-deal situation never mind voted for it.

    Both situations need to be looked at again as things have changed so dramatically. First another EU referendum and if Leave wins (absolutely no question about it then) then a Scottish independence vote. 

    Not sure why this is sooooo difficult for Brexit fans to get their head around.

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  4. 10 minutes ago, aright said:

    You are right England doesn't own them; the British do and when you gain your independence you will no longer be a part of Great Britain and have no claim on them. 

    One could argue that with just England and Wales (Northern Ireland not being part of Great Britain), there wouldn't be much of a Great Britain left to constitute the name but I'm being obtuse. 

    There have been proposals put forward about what happens to the pound which would have to be seen if it can work but my point is it's not just up to the English what happens to a currency that is used by 4 countries.

    And just to make things clear, I'm not for Scottish independence but my reply was to combat the inane arrogance of a previous poster who was taking everything away from Scotland because he felt that Scotland wouldn't deserve it. My point was it wasn't his to take away.

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  5. 14 minutes ago, mogandave said:

     


    Wow, that is a really great response. Anyone that disagrees with you is insane.

    Typical

     

    Well if the cap fits.

    Trump basically said that there was 'fine people on both sides' and your defense of him was he was referring to 'good people on both sides of the protest'. How can there be 'good people on both sides of the protest' when one of the sides are a bunch of neo-Nazis? 

    I'm going to take a wild guess and go with there are no 'good' or 'fine' neo-Nazis. Would you like to refute this?

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  6. 20 hours ago, mogandave said:

     


    Why can’t you see he was talking about good people on both sides of the protest?

    If he truly meant that everyone on both sides of the issue was good, why was he not attacked for saying ANTIFA was good people?


     

     

    The verbal dexterity required to defend a man who sees the 10 commandments as a to-do list is truly something to behold.

    Every (sane) person knows what he said and who he was saying it about. If you want to cocoon yourself in your own little echo chamber then please feel free but please don't insult our intelligence whilst doing so.

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  7. 44 minutes ago, mogandave said:

     


    Why can’t you see he was talking about good people on both sides of the protest?

    If he truly meant that everyone on both sides of the issue was good, why was he not attacked for saying ANTIFA was good people?


     

     

    What? 

    How can one side be 'good people' if they are neo-Nazis? Here's a clue. if you want to be considered a good person, don't support a regime that brought untold suffering to the world and is still affiliated with racism, prejudice, genocide and the ideology of  master race.

    Simples.

  8. 26 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

     

    Well then that disagreement puts you firmly in the political fringe, so you're in good company with Ilhan and AOC and Talib. 

     

    And I fail to see how targeting jewish people within the USA and globally is not anti-semetic. They aren't targeting Israel or its leaders, they are literally targeting jewish people globally. 

     

    Are you a jew with a shop in Queens, NY? Boycott. 


    That is exactly what Nazis did, so.... 

    Apart from your obvious hyperbole (already pointed out) there is such a thing as the middle ground. 

    You don't have to be extreme to understand that Israel persecution of the Palestinians is where much of the issues in the Middle East come from. You don’t have to be extreme to understand that political representatives have a world view and are allowed to express it

    life just doesn’t need to be so black and white which (literally) Yrump fans rely on. 

  9. 1 hour ago, Thainesss said:

     

    Its anti-semetic. Their entire BDS Movement was shot down in the house and literally every major democrat politician called it anti-Semitic. They are viscous and nasty anti-semites who put forth an anti-semetic res. This is a fact, its not a "Big If" and defense of it makes you complicit. Their 'movement' openly targeted Jewish people, orgs, and businesses worldwide. They targeted jews on college campuses and on and on and on. 

     

    And no im not jewish, but I support anyones right to religion. Christians. Buddhists. Muslims. I draw the line when they start wanting to blow themselves up and kill a bunch of people, or put national security at risk. 

    Disagree. 

    They have only ever brought up Israel’s persecution of the the Palestine’s, which is well documented, completely founded and what many people think. This blanket victimization that lets Israel off it’s very obvious human rights atrocities is not anti- Semitic, it’s pro human rights. 

    If they deny the holocaust then it’s anti- Semitic. If they go on about Jews controlling the banking system, then it’s anti- Semitic. If all Jews are big nosed, Shylock characters then it’s anti-Semitic.

    Pointing out Israel’s many, many faults simply isn’t.   

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  10. 1 hour ago, Thainesss said:

     

    Nope. 

     

    And this is quite the post coming from someone who by their own admission doesn't even follow the words and actions of any of the 4 anti-Semitic congresswomen mentioned in the OP, let alone AOC. 

    By Calling ANY criticism of Israel (which they certainly deserve) anti-semetic you are stifling open discussion of their faults but even if it was anti-Semitic (big if) why should that bother you? Why such a defender of Israel? Are you Jewish?

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  11. 8 hours ago, Thainesss said:

    Good. If you're an illegal alien, you need to be deported. If you're gaming the system, you need to be deported. If you have a deportation order, you need to be deported. 

     

    And if you illegally cross the border and 'claim asylum' conveniently when you're caught, you need to be deported. 

     

    The United States is a sovereign nation with Immigration laws and citizens interests to protect above all else. 

    And if you are the President of The united States then you have to obey the laws of said United States, listen to what the judges rule and abide by their ruling.

    Something Trump seems to have a very serious problem doing.

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