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14 hours ago, Guitarzan said:Probably so! I kinda liked her until she said something whacky like Trump was adding terroists. She is suing Google though, half the country should join her in a class action law suit.
Warren reminds me too much of a complaining, nagging, pissed off, fridgid ex wife, she has the shrill annoying pitch in her voice that men run away from.
So in one post you talk about 'identity politics and calling anything that moves a racist' and in the very next post you display huge (probably pronounced hugely in your head) amounts of overt misogyny by not judging Warren on her policies and her past endevours to fight corruption and big corporations but rather her 'complaining, nagging, pissed off, fridgid (sic) ex wife' personality and the 'shrill annoying pitch in her voice that men run away from'.
It's so obvious as to be scary but the only right candidate for you guys (Dems or GOP) is old, white and male.
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8 hours ago, BobBKK said:Stage full of fantasists promising the world but not saying how to pay for it.
Well if the bill comes to under an extra $2 trillion on to the national debt, they'll be doing a damn sight better than the current Idiot in Chief.
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46 minutes ago, aright said:
What Remainers like to do is incorrectly quote the ECA.
The ECA states that in the event of conflict EU Law overrides national law.
Where the interpretation of EU law is in doubt, the 1972 Act requires UK courts to refer judgment to the European Court of Justice...…...and we can all guess the outcome to that one
It is not legally possible for Parliament to contradict EU Law but if they were to do so for whatever reason the reasonable question to ask is......
What's the point in being in a club where you can ignore the rules and pick and mix the laws you want to adopt or discard. Better to be independent to prevent such conflict.
I'm glad that you can 'guess the outcome to that one' as the realities of how this actually plays out is vastly different to what most Brexiters would have you believe.
'Since 2003 the European Commission has opened over 750 complaints against the UK for failing to follow or apply EU law. The UK resolved 668 of these complaints before even reaching the court through negotiation and informal dispute resolution (so the vast majority of cases don't even get to court). In the end, the Commission decided to refer only 83 of these cases to the European Court. The UK won around a quarter of the cases against it: the highest success rate of any country that joined the EU before 2004 and the third-highest success rate of any country in the EU now.
Environmental issues are those most likely to see the UK end up at the European Court, the paper reveals, because such cases are often costly to resolve. For example, the UK has repeatedly been taken to court for failing to implement a 1991 directive on the management of urban waste water because water treatment plants are expensive to provide'.
What I said about the UK Parliaments ability to contradict EU laws still stands as it theoretically possible for it to do so BUT since the UK became a member of the EU it has set EU law as precedent which of course requires adherence to its laws. However, I would suggest that this is much more to do with the fact that the vast majority of EU law is sensible and there to protect the populace rather than business or those with a bigger bank balance than anything else.
We can argue semantics about this all day but the point of the scaremongering from Brexiters about 'losing control to crazy EU laws' does not bear out when you take the realities of the situations that have come around over the last 16 years. There has simply been no where near the amounts of disputes happening as the Brexit camp would have you believe and scare stories about 'wrong shaped bananas' and 'water doesn't stop dehydration' are just simply that; scare stories trying to convince a gullible populace that the EU is just a bunch of crazy, overpaid (might have a point there) bureaucrats.
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6 hours ago, vogie said:
Don't try and over think this RR, you might miss the point I was making.
But having said that, if you get independence will you have your own legal systems etc, of course not, you would have the EUs.
It could be said that the SNP are not Scottish nationalists, but are indeed EU nationalists.
Remember you are not talking for all of Scotland.
Firstly Scotland already has it's own legal system that is separate and different from England - http://www.ltscotland.org.uk/the-differences-between-the-english-and-scottish-law/
Secondly, this idea that EU law will overtake Scottish law (or indeed British law) does not hold water as in the UK, we also have the idea of parliamentary sovereignty, which holds that Parliament is the highest source of authority to make laws without restriction. Parliamentary sovereignty is a principle of the UK constitution. It makes Parliament the supreme legal authority in the UK, which can create or end any law. However what the Brexit brigade love quoting is The European Communities Act, passed by Parliament in 1972, which accepted the supremacy of EU law. However this does not stop Parliamentary sovereignty, it is very possible for Parliament to contradict EU laws
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4 hours ago, Jip99 said:
Seems they want another chance......... and another maybe....... until they get a result that only a current minority want.
Sound familiar ?
Oh change the record for gods sake. You Brexiters use this inane argument all the time and frankly it's getting boring.
Scotland voted to remain in the UK in 2014 by a pretty small margin, 2 Million to 1.6 million (55% to 45%) before the matter of leaving the EU was even a thing. In the EU referendum, 62% voted to remain in the EU, a significant increase. The logical argument therefore goes that if those that voted to stay in the UK thought that meant also leaving the EU, what would the numbers have been then?
Unlike you Brexiters with your 'it was voted on, so it must happen', most Scots are sensible enough to know that the goalposts have moved so significantly since the original vote and another vote MAY be the appropriate and right thing to do.
I also think that now a no deal Brexit is looking highly likely, another referendum should occur because NO ONE (be honest when you answer this) had even heard about a no-deal situation never mind voted for it.
Both situations need to be looked at again as things have changed so dramatically. First another EU referendum and if Leave wins (absolutely no question about it then) then a Scottish independence vote.
Not sure why this is sooooo difficult for Brexit fans to get their head around.
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11 hours ago, Guitarzan said:Here ya go! The actual interview sounds nothing like you describe. In addition Omar's spin that White people should be more feared that Islamic Jihadist's is racist based on the fact White people are the majority in the US. Amazing how you can squeeze a comment by Trump as racist, yet on the other hand you defend Omar's remarks as non racist. Simply brilliant on your part.
Here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yt9TZmDAtI.
This explains what happens when you edit out the part that contradicts your right wing bias as was done by Fox, other right wing media and that crazy Molly Prince and even Rubio (scary though how it took me three pages of searching YouTube to find this, such had the edited version taken over so much and dominated the thread).
She clearly says that if fear is your main driver of policy, then you should be more fearful of 'white men' as they cause more deaths in America than any terrorist. This is factually true but the right wing nutters (and also you by the look of it) have edited out the part that explains this to substantiate your own narrative.
Again I recommend you try and look at more objective news that doesn't just feed your own echo chamber.
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20 hours ago, Guitarzan said:She has made many anti-Semitic remarks, and was forced to apologize. Look them up, I'm not gonna do that for you. She also said: "people should be more fearful of white men" when asked about Islamic terrorism. She has refused to condemn ISIS when asked if she would do so.
Come on now and be honest, Imagine if a white person said, people should be more fearful of black people than terrorists. Dang, that sounds a lot like Hilary Clintons remark about black men being super predators doesn't it? Democrats only see the world through the eyes of race and gender, and the sorry thing about it is they honestly believe they aren't racist.
Yes, the racism is manufactured 24/7 on CNN and MSNBC, etc. Trump was never accused of being a racist prior to him running for POTUS. He received awards for helping the inner city black youth, and has countless photos with black people including Rosa Parks. They have tried to pin this on him and it just won't stick. That's really all the Dems have, and they use it to attack themselves now, in particular Biden, and Pelosi.
I remember back in the day I was a liberal, the establishment would tell hippies and Vietnam protestors, "to Love it or leave it". Not a single soul took that as a racist comment. Why is what Trump said racist? I and many others don't think it was a racist remark. In fact, I've never heard a racist remark from Trump ever!
Typical GOP/Fox news cherry picking of the actual events. The “people should be more fearful of white men” was in response to a question about terrorism in the US when she (rightly) said that if you are talking about the protection of American citizens then you should be more worried about “white” terrorists as they have caused more terrorism in the US than any other group.
This is fact, but as usual, the right wingers take 8 words out of context and spin it that’s she’s anti-white.
Please get out of your echo chamber and try and look at matters more objectively.
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10 minutes ago, aright said:
You are right England doesn't own them; the British do and when you gain your independence you will no longer be a part of Great Britain and have no claim on them.
One could argue that with just England and Wales (Northern Ireland not being part of Great Britain), there wouldn't be much of a Great Britain left to constitute the name but I'm being obtuse.
There have been proposals put forward about what happens to the pound which would have to be seen if it can work but my point is it's not just up to the English what happens to a currency that is used by 4 countries.
And just to make things clear, I'm not for Scottish independence but my reply was to combat the inane arrogance of a previous poster who was taking everything away from Scotland because he felt that Scotland wouldn't deserve it. My point was it wasn't his to take away.
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8 minutes ago, mogandave said:
So it’s your position that everyone at the rally that did not want the statue moved was a neo-nazi, correct?If they weren't card carrying members of the neo-Nazis, they at least knew this was all set up by white nationalists and racists so yeah, I'm going to guess that they held certain sympathies.
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20 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:What arrogant nonsense!
The country is the United Kingdom - our nationality British.
It's supremely arrogant and selfish that one small minority in one region seek to vote on something, restrict who can vote and then impose a result they like on the majority.
And then in your next statement, you want to claim everything belongs to everyone. Aye, as long as your're lot are dictating.
It's actually nationalist Scots who are arrogant, hypercritical bigots who want to boss everyone else around with their do as we say not as we do crap.
There's nothing arrogant with what I have said. It's just fact; England doesn't own the pound nor the armed forces. Only a nation state should be given the chance to vote regarding the state of it's nation and Scotland is well aware of the financials if it leaves the UK.
And we know all about arrogant, hypocritical (correct spelling please note) bigots who want to boss everyone else around. Scotland is attached to England after all.
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2 hours ago, Chicken George said:Let the rest of the UK vote on Scottish independence too.. Scotland would be gone.. But beware we will not let you have the pound. A hard border. Get your own army Navy and Airforce. No right to own property or work in the UK. No tax allowances in the UK. That's no second house.. No right of abode.. Visit the rest of the UK then get a visa.. No money from Westminster.. Not what I originally wished for but fed up of the moaning. Goodbye Scotland.????
What a completely inane post. You are the reason Scotland is even contemplating independence.
Let's break down your statement:-
'Let the rest of the UK vote on Scottish independence too..' - Why? It would have nothing to do with them.
'we will not let you have the pound' - it's not yours (and I assume you're English). It belongs to the whole of the UK which if I recall, Scotland is still very much a part of.
'No tax allowances in the UK' - what's that supposed to mean? If Scotland leaves it will not be part of the UK (as the UK won't exist any more) and will set their own taxes.
'A hard border' - Hadrian built the wall. Scotland's been wanting to build it higher for years to keep you bampots out.
'Get your own army Navy and Airforce' - again, they are not yours. they belong to the whole of the UK. This is the type of English arrogance the Scots have to put up with on a daily basis.
'No right to own property or work in the UK' - I assume again you mean England (no Uk remember) and why wouldn't they? Russians, Chinese, Europeans, Americans and the rest of world can own property in England so why shouldn't the Scots? And as for working, the same rules would apply for any foreign national.
The rest are just nonsense so let's skip to the juicy part:-
'No money from Westminster' - Fine. Just leave the oil, natural resources and whisky. They'll be fine.
Scotland has a legitimate gripe concerning self-governance as they have no say whatsoever in what political party gets into Westminster and when voting very firmly to remain, it again makes no difference. If the same circumstances were happening to English we'd never hear the end of it.
As the leader of the SNP, Sturgeon only has Scotland's interests at heart and although I'm not a fan of leaving the UK, stupid, rabid statements like this make me inclined to reconsider.
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14 minutes ago, mogandave said:
Wow, that is a really great response. Anyone that disagrees with you is insane.
TypicalWell if the cap fits.
Trump basically said that there was 'fine people on both sides' and your defense of him was he was referring to 'good people on both sides of the protest'. How can there be 'good people on both sides of the protest' when one of the sides are a bunch of neo-Nazis?
I'm going to take a wild guess and go with there are no 'good' or 'fine' neo-Nazis. Would you like to refute this?
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2 hours ago, ezzra said:There were times where death penalty was just that, death, and soon, somehow over the years the meaning was watered down considerably and appeals and re appeals have been dragging for years and sometimes decades so much so it become a drag bothe on the the system and on the convicvicted, if there is a death penalty on the books, use it as human and as quick as possible, otherwise, take it off the punishment books complitly...
The invention of DNA testing exonerated many, many people who would have been put to death otherwise. I do not believe in the death penalty (I don't think a state or country should kill it's own citizens and it's proven not to deter many of those that now face it) but if you are to have it then there should be a VERY lengthy appeals process in place to check for absolute sure you have the right person.
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20 hours ago, mogandave said:
Why can’t you see he was talking about good people on both sides of the protest?
If he truly meant that everyone on both sides of the issue was good, why was he not attacked for saying ANTIFA was good people?
The verbal dexterity required to defend a man who sees the 10 commandments as a to-do list is truly something to behold.
Every (sane) person knows what he said and who he was saying it about. If you want to cocoon yourself in your own little echo chamber then please feel free but please don't insult our intelligence whilst doing so.
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44 minutes ago, mogandave said:
Why can’t you see he was talking about good people on both sides of the protest?
If he truly meant that everyone on both sides of the issue was good, why was he not attacked for saying ANTIFA was good people?
What?
How can one side be 'good people' if they are neo-Nazis? Here's a clue. if you want to be considered a good person, don't support a regime that brought untold suffering to the world and is still affiliated with racism, prejudice, genocide and the ideology of master race.
Simples.
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3 hours ago, Thainesss said:Ill take that apology and walk-back any time now. And I bolded, underlined, and italicized the important bit for you.
Why can't you see that saying there 'were very fine people on both sides'' is where the problem is?
There wasn't 'very fine people' among the neo-Nazis because...... well they're neo-Nazis, They're walking around with swastika flags, giving Heil Hitler salutes and generally admiring a regime we fought a world war to defeat.
Trump walked back on this comment (still took 2 days) as I think even he realised he'd gone too far with that little nugget gem but there's been plenty of other examples whether it's referring to 'sh*thole countries' or a judge being biased because 'he's Mexican' to a Muslim travel ban and of course his recent and crowning glory of 'Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came' (3 are born in America, the other is still a US citizen) leading to the 'send her home' chant of the mob at his little get together.
He's the President of the goddamn Unites States. Why can you not see this is unacceptable rhetoric from a man who is supposed to represent ALL Americans regardless of skin color or ethnicity? He has the power to unite but instead chooses to divide, which in turn emboldens white supremacists, enables racists to crawl out from under the rock they've been hiding under for years and directly leads to the 17% increase in hate and race crime under Trump (https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/lawmakers-to-probe-rise-of-hate-crimes-and-white-nationalism-in-u-s)
Yet you continue to defend him so I can only conclude iIt's either willful ignorance on your behalf or as I suspect, sneaky admiration for Trump because you think these things as well.
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1 minute ago, Thainesss said:How is it 'hyperbole' when the BDS 'movement' literally calls for boycotts of anyone who shows any unity with Israel? Its baffling to me that you guys keep defending this. It is racism and bigotry in its purist form.
Yet the entire BDS movement that you keep defending is the polar opposite of 'middle ground' and has no vision for the existence of Israel itself. How is that a middle ground?
I’ll tell you what racism and bigotry is. It’s persecuting your own people for being the wrong color. Its telling people that we’re born in your country to go “back home” because they are not white. It’s saying that white supremacists are “good people”. It’s locking up asylum seekers and removing their children. It’s everything the current POTUS stands for.
And you are facilitating all of it by agreeing.
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26 minutes ago, Thainesss said:
Well then that disagreement puts you firmly in the political fringe, so you're in good company with Ilhan and AOC and Talib.
And I fail to see how targeting jewish people within the USA and globally is not anti-semetic. They aren't targeting Israel or its leaders, they are literally targeting jewish people globally.
Are you a jew with a shop in Queens, NY? Boycott.
That is exactly what Nazis did, so....Apart from your obvious hyperbole (already pointed out) there is such a thing as the middle ground.
You don't have to be extreme to understand that Israel persecution of the Palestinians is where much of the issues in the Middle East come from. You don’t have to be extreme to understand that political representatives have a world view and are allowed to express it
life just doesn’t need to be so black and white which (literally) Yrump fans rely on.
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1 hour ago, mogandave said:
Calling for a boycott is criticism?
Are you Muslim?If you cannot add a sensible and rational thought to the discussion can I ask you just to not comment at all?
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1 hour ago, Thainesss said:
Its anti-semetic. Their entire BDS Movement was shot down in the house and literally every major democrat politician called it anti-Semitic. They are viscous and nasty anti-semites who put forth an anti-semetic res. This is a fact, its not a "Big If" and defense of it makes you complicit. Their 'movement' openly targeted Jewish people, orgs, and businesses worldwide. They targeted jews on college campuses and on and on and on.
And no im not jewish, but I support anyones right to religion. Christians. Buddhists. Muslims. I draw the line when they start wanting to blow themselves up and kill a bunch of people, or put national security at risk.
Disagree.
They have only ever brought up Israel’s persecution of the the Palestine’s, which is well documented, completely founded and what many people think. This blanket victimization that lets Israel off it’s very obvious human rights atrocities is not anti- Semitic, it’s pro human rights.
If they deny the holocaust then it’s anti- Semitic. If they go on about Jews controlling the banking system, then it’s anti- Semitic. If all Jews are big nosed, Shylock characters then it’s anti-Semitic.
Pointing out Israel’s many, many faults simply isn’t.
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1 hour ago, Thainesss said:
Nope.
And this is quite the post coming from someone who by their own admission doesn't even follow the words and actions of any of the 4 anti-Semitic congresswomen mentioned in the OP, let alone AOC.
By Calling ANY criticism of Israel (which they certainly deserve) anti-semetic you are stifling open discussion of their faults but even if it was anti-Semitic (big if) why should that bother you? Why such a defender of Israel? Are you Jewish?
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8 hours ago, Thainesss said:
Good. If you're an illegal alien, you need to be deported. If you're gaming the system, you need to be deported. If you have a deportation order, you need to be deported.
And if you illegally cross the border and 'claim asylum' conveniently when you're caught, you need to be deported.
The United States is a sovereign nation with Immigration laws and citizens interests to protect above all else.
And if you are the President of The united States then you have to obey the laws of said United States, listen to what the judges rule and abide by their ruling.
Something Trump seems to have a very serious problem doing.
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7 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:
You want gov run health care...fine, but don't force it on me saying it's for your own good. Don't come looking for me to fund it either.
I think we all get that you're not the giving type.
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1 hour ago, JMSIII said:It comes from the late 1960's and the 70's......"America, Love it or Leave it" was used towards the White domestic terrorists the likes of Bill Ayers, his wife Bernardine Dohrn, The Weather Underground, and other communist sympathizers such as Frances Piven and Richard Cloward. I remember the popular bumper sticker from back then with this saying.
AOC, Omar, Pressley and Tlaib are all very anti American, they have repeatedly trashed America and Americans. The way they talk about America and Americans has most of the country pissed off. But you will never hear this from MSNBC or CNN.
They are all freshmen congresswomen and they are getting all the attention from the MSM. Never before has freshmen congresswomen or men received the notoriety that these four are getting. They are overtly attacking their own Democratic party white or black, with their communist views, calling anyone who questions them....racists! Including black and white Democrats.
Before you all want to champion them, and bash America, and of course bash Trump....
Look into to their backgrounds. Omar's is full of fraud, including she married her own brother. AOC answered a casting call of over 400 people to be chosen by two billionaires who script her every word. Look up AOC's personal videos about discovering things like garbage disposals, and the shock plants can grow out of the dirt, etc....at 29 years of age.
Stop drinking MSNBC's and CNN's kool-aid, they are fake news, it is being exposed and will be exposed for the world to see soon. I'm sure I will get some responses for this, but it's the truth...
How to get everyone to not take anything you say seriously?
Just quote Breitbart.
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Trump says he is not worried about short-range missiles fired by North Korea
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Ahhh Boon Mee, Trumps truest online sycophant. I'm still trying to work out if you are just too hypnotised by Trump to see no wrong in anything he does or just a troll. The jury is still out.
BOTH these countries are super worried about North Korea (have you not been paying attention for the last 60 years) hence all the military pacts, meetings and broken agreements. The question is why isn't Trump more worried?