johnnybangkok

Have a read of this and for gods sake cheer up!

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/01/seven-charts-that-show-the-world-is-actually-becoming-a-better-place

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

The same one, report back with biden rally crowd numbers.

Again a nonsensical point.
You talk about  “crowd numbers” as if again its a petty popularity contest. Biden isn’t doing rallies because....and wait for it...during a major pandemic, why on earth do you want large crowds gathered together? It shows an understanding of a situation. It’s shows sacrifice to his own detriment and consideration for his fellow Americans; it’s shows presidential responsibility. 
Once you start understanding that then perhaps you can start understanding the job he is applying for. It’s not about him; it’s what’s right for his fellow countrymen. 
THATS presidential. 

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

The first time biden starts stuttering and loses his train of thought in the debates Trump will pounce like a tiger. It will be savage.

The usual response from Trump fans who care more about style than substance.

I have seen Biden on many talk shows and he has always come across as articulate, sincere, statesmanlike and with great empathy (none of which Trump has EVER demonstrated). His policies are coherant and aimed at the average working man rather than the elites and xenophobes that Trump caters for. 

This 'old bumbling man' narrative that Trump and his fans want to perpetuate is the equivalent of children in a playground making fun of the intelligent boy purely because he stammers. It's basic bullying (another Trump tactic) and requires little or no intellect, just platitude after platitude, aimed at a dwindling base who cannot see further than Trump/Fox's name calling to get their point across.

Thankfully, the Covid crisis and ensuing economic turmoil has opened up a lot of American eyes to the fact the Emperor really has no clothes and is just not fit for the job in hand. 

I have faith the vast majority of Americans will get rid of this insult of a POTUS and resign him to the dumster of history where he belongs.  

On 6/19/2020 at 12:11 PM, nausea said:

Bit strange, not the message I'm getting. Somebody's got it wrong. One thing's for sure, wishing it were so and making it so are not the same. Speaking as an impartial observer. I'm not black and not a US citizen. No doubt your upcoming presidential election will sort it out. What I do notice is a certain media bias. Which can be counter productive in this era when we're all rather media savvy, a proper discussion rather than a one sided tirade is much more likely to persuade swing voters. The converted are gonna vote as they always do, pumping out stuff to make them feel good is pretty useless. This kind of triumphal prose is the worst way to go, it's gonna be a hard fought battle, better to admit that, and address it.

Yeah it's terrible when the media actually report what Trump says and does.

There doesn't need to be bias when Trump provides such easy, low hanging fruit himself.

4 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I see the double standards are hitting you hard. The George Floyd cop represents all white people, yet this stabber does not represent all black people. Got it.

Projecting much? I have never heard a single person (of any colour) say the cop 'represents all white people'. 

You and many of your ilk are completely missing the point with all these protests. In the US, systemic racism is prevailant in all walks of life and although I would venture it's lesser in the UK, it still exists. The protestors are trying to highlight ALL prejudice and give those that govern a much needed wake up call. And it's working. In the US, new laws are being introduced to hold the police more accountable for their actions, to bring the police unions under control so a bad cop can actually be dismissed and to defund the huge amounts of money the police get and direct it to the root causes of the trouble (lack of social mobility, poverty and education). In the UK, BLM activists want equality, better justice and to stop glorifying Britains slave trade and genocidal past. These are not unreasonable demands and have led Boris to set up a Race Inequality Commission (unfortunately headed by the controversial Munira Mirza).

You can all argue as much as you want to try and disguise your own prejudice but EVERYONE benefits from a discussion on these matters as I would argue that equality and better justice works for both black and white as these matters also disproportionately affect lower income and less privileged individuals; the ones that have been particularly affected by the Tories austerity doctrine for many years.

Covid has made people realise they are better off looking after each other as governments cannot be trusted to do a competant job and like all good neighbours, you help out whoever is in need at that time; at this time it's the BLM and that's why they are getting the support. They are however just a representation of general unhappiness from a disgruntled population who firmly believe there needs to be change, and now is the time to force that change. 

I for one support this and unlike many of you, I don't care if a statue of a colonial slave trader gets taken down or a few street names get changed because the nominee was a murdering, genocidal, racist who bought his statue rather than earned it (and yes, I don't agree with Churchills statue being defaced; the guy more than made up for his questionable white supremacism and racist views   https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/not-his-finest-hour-the-dark-side-of-winston-churchill-2118317.html but you also can't deny he wasn't a friend to people of colour).

This is history in the making and you have a choice to either be on the wrong side of it or the right side of it......... and the right side I can assure you isn't far-right.

10 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Whilst I accept that at times , the Police can act with discretion , like if a guys in a park and needs to take pee and theres no toilets available, no need to arrest him for public exposure , act with discretion then .

  If that same guy picks up a petrol bomb and fire bombs a house , he needs to get arrested and to face charges 

As has been explained to you many, many times, at the BLM demos, 230 arrests have been made and the police have released 35 images of people wanted for criminal damage   https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-20/black-lives-matter-protests-london/

At the 'protect the statues' demo, over 100 arrests were made. You make it sound like the police just idly sat by whilst criminal activity took place yet the number of arrests immediately negate that argument.

Stop trying to fit YOUR bias into YOUR narrative. The facts tell a different story. 

3 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

And he would be right. If you read the article you would understand that antifa are allowed to use the inverted red triangle, yet the President of the United States is not. Double standards on steroids. No logic at all in this decision, and leads to the inevitable conclusion that facebook is interfering with the 2020 election. Platform vs publisher? Not much doubt about that now is there.

Excuse. Excuse. Excuse.

Deflection. Deflection. Deflection.

Faux outrage. Faux outrage. Faux outrage.

Conspiracy. Conspiracy. Conspiracy.

Standard Trump fan stuff. Nothing to see here. Move along please.

5 hours ago, J Town said:

I've stopped engaging with childish members, banishing them to the Phantom Zone aka ignore list. Now when I have discussions with members with whom I have disagreements, it's civil, adult discourse.

Completely agree. There are plenty of Trump fans who are simply not worth engaging with as NOTHING you can say will ever change their mind and nothing Trump does will ever make them think he's anything less than some demi-god. They are full of straw man fallacy's, deflections, conspiracies, provocative avatars and cognitive disonnance. There's never any facts, there's always complete denial (even if it comes out of Trumps own mouth or is on video for the world to see) and it ALWAYS goes back to Obama and 'but, but Hilary' (this thread for example).

I choose to engage on the off-chance I may change a mind or two and fortunately there has been some Trump apologists of old that have gone quiet in recent months so perhaps they have finally woke up to this never ending disaster of a POTUS and jumped ship. However there are still a few who continually show their true colors even when faced with overwhelming evidence. 

These can never be changed but it's better to engage as I see them as representative of the bigger picture of why so many still follow this disaster of a POTUS and what needs to be done to win them over. This is impossible though if they are simply angry, bitter old white men who have always blamed others for their own misfortune. 

28 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Facetious is the wrong word. Sarcastic? Yes.

 

I can't remember your post but it doesn't matter. Patrick's account of events obviously indicates that there were significant numbers of violent BLM people in the vicinity when his group intervened to rescue the Millwall fan - not small isolated demonstrations.

 

 

Sure. Whatever suits your echo chamber. 

8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Oh, it was just the MAIN demonstration what was called off. I didn't know that. Mind you, I don't think anyone else knew that either as this is the first time that any MAIN demonstration has been mentioned.

 

Not sure if you are being facetious but just in case you're not;-

My original post (which you went to great lengths to comment on) clearly stated 'Once they heard about the counter protests, BLM called off it's demostration and advised people not to gather in London, knowing these men were there to start trouble'.

There was small, isolated demonstrations not organised by BLM. 

Clear enough?

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

 

You don't think this "He was among several hundred demonstrators who travelled to central London with the aim, they said, of protecting statues, including Winston Churchill’s, from anti-racist protesters." is a give away?

 

Just noticed johnnybangkok poster similar already, thanks.

It required reading so easily missed.

8 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Wouldnt have taken long to bring that down

It must be exhausting all this mental gymnastics you and your fellow TVF posters must have to do just to try and defend the indefensable.

We've had 'there was war vets there' as some way of mitigating that the VAST majority were a bunch of football hooligans/far right groups hell bent on a fight. We've had the police were going too easy on the BLM protestors, despite 135 arrests made the week before and now we have the 'well someone had to defend the statue as the police wouldn't' despite it being boarded up and guarded. 

Your true motivations and thinking cannot be hidden by any of these straw man fallacies. The actions of these individuals hell bent on trouble (both BLM and far -right) cannot be mitigated by any of your spurious nonsense and should be condemned. It's even more surprising coming from people who like to think of themselves as straight talking and being able to 'call a spade a spade' (pun very much intended).   

4 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

That was the problem wasnt it, the police were not protecting the statues and so the public had to step in to protect them 

You mean apart from this -

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

The report doesnt say which side he was on , whether he was Ant Teether or statue defender .

Yes it does....

'He was among several hundred demonstrators who travelled to central London with the aim, they said, of protecting statues, including Winston Churchill’s, from anti-racist protesters.'