johnnybangkok

29 minutes ago, rupert the bear said:

yet another hand bags at dawn face off in USA politics and it spills over onto the forum,ok girls calm down dont smudge your lipstick,we are all sick of rep and dem shananigans .the list is almost endless and the rest of the world holds their head in their hands.shut up the pair of you we all need a break.respect of others is forgotten as they bitch whine and bleat constantly,only thing theyve gotten right is china. its the only thing they can agree on,move forward on that and do us all a favour.yep all the things you keep calling each other,they apply to xi and his stormtroopers greedy ,nationalistic, non democratic, racists, cheating, lying, stealing ,USA aint china so pipe down and see where the real enemy is,your both on the same page there.

No we are not all “sick of rep and dem shenanigans” we are just sick of rep shenanigans. 
And I really don’t see how your anti-China diatribe is relevant to this thread. We are discussing Fauci and Jordan. Nothing to do with China so perhaps take a bit of your own advice and “pipe down “. 
PS Grammar And punctuation is important when establishing credibility. 

1 hour ago, mtls2005 said:

Gym Jordan is a strange, angry, bitter man. Dr. Fauci graduated #1 in his class at Cornell Med, and has served our country as a medical professional for 40 years. Gym-bob didn't pass the bar.  

 

His district is even more strange. Looks sea-horsey to me?

 

 

GOP gerrymandering at its finest. 

19 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

Boris initially told us purpose of the lockdown was to "flatten the curve" to ensure the NHS could cope.  That seemed reasonable at the time. So what's his story now, as rolling lockdowns and compulsory muzzling become the new normal?

 

Where is your evidence that ongoing lockdowns reduce infections and deaths? I know of none. What IS known is the enormous amount of collateral damage lockdowns cause in terms of human and economic health.

Look I’m no fan of Boris and how he has handled this but the undeniable truth is if you couldn’t do a “Taiwan or South Korea“ the only option available was lockdown. And the truth is self-evident; those countries that have eased lockdown recently; Spain, France, Germany, Japan etc are all seeing a massive uptake in infections again (inevitable 2nd wave or not). 
To me the most sensible thing to do once lockdown was initiated was to then establish a strict test, identify, track and isolate programme (again see Taiwan and S Korea) and make sure those most vulnerable (the old and at risk category) were completely isolated until the numbers came under control and/or a vaccine was produced. Again Boris and his lot are failing monumentally with this. 
I don’t agree though in your thoughts that lockdown was too high a price to pay as its easy to sacrifice those you seem so willing to do when it’s not affecting you personally. And I know of no one who will ever say “ I’m happy to die for the sake of the economy”, which is basically what you are suggesting. 

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

At least you're starting to acknowledge that cities are burning, good on you.

Cities are not burning. Stop your transparant fear mongering.

For example, the trouble in Portland is confined to a 2 city block radius   https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/31/us/portland-protests-map-photos.html and the protest usually start out peaceful until the hooligan element takes over at night. The point being though is the Portland major and 5 other majors are all saying the same thing; yes there has been damage and a hooligan element BUT we had it under control and all Trump is doing is escalating what was a dying protest.

Obviously the more sycophantic of you Trump fans are going to jump on this as 'society going to hell' and 'cities are burning' but the reality is that in a last ditched attempt to save his re-election, Trump is doubling down on the BLM protestors and trying desperately to incite as much trouble as he can.

It's a pathetic attempt by a dying president to yet again appeal to a dwindling base, easily fooled by right wing media into thinking that the minority of protestors represent the majority of those protesting. They don't and never will but just you go on with your exagerations and hyperbole to see if it will still fit into your already confirmed bias.  

43 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

Cheer up, Stephen. The COVID outbreak is clearly on its last legs and by the time we get a properly tried and tested vaccine, it will probably either have become redundant or largely ineffective against the hundred-plus sons and daughters of Sars 2 already doing the rounds.

 

Vaccines rushed to market without adequate trials have a chequered history. For this reason, whichever lab wins the current race, their shots must be offered only a voluntary basis, as with flu. Body sovereignty is one of our few remaining human rights not already being trampled on the pretext of beating the pandemic.

 

Economies which have suffered most in the last six months have done so not because of the virus but as a result of panicky, ill-thought-out political policies, not least business-wrecking lockdowns. Next time around, we need to learn the lesson of Sweden's saner, more rational approach and their healthy subsequent bounce-back.

 

It is far too early to paint the swedish model as the correct way to go with C19 yet people like yourself are always lauding it as it fits your anti-lockdown narrative.

The fact is Sweden has the highest mortality rate of any of the Nordic countries and one of the highest per capita in the world. This alone should give you pause for thought (but obviously doesn't).

However it is also true their mortality rate has been decreasing steadily from it's April/May peak and is looking better over a longer time frame HOWEVER again it's far too early to say if it was definately the right way to go. And do remember that in the early daysa of the pandemic, the UK did toy with the same 'herd immunity' option that Sweden went for until they saw the extrapolated numbers that indicated 100's of thousands of deaths. They then beat a hasty retreat to lockdown.  

Finally, if you do want to hold up a country as the go to example of how to handle this pandemic then South Korea and Taiwan offer a much better solution in their testing, identifying, tracking and isolating model that has seen minimum infection and minimum deaths. Unfortunately this was not available to many countries (the UK being a prime example) who didn't take it seriously enough at the beginning and left it far too late to do much other than lockdown.

2 hours ago, seajae said:

problem is dems are using lies and innuendo to make their points so he is trying to get at the truth which dems refuse to do, maybe if dems were honest about it he wouldnt attack them. His points when the AG was questioned about dems totally ignoring the truth about the rioting etc as well as them not letting the AG reply to their questions was spot on to anyone that watched it, what is needed is the truth and not all the dems BS

What BS are you refering to? No one is denying that crowds don't help C19 but importantly, Fauci is saying that ALL crowds are bad and not singling out any in particular. He is also saying that masks are important in the fight. This is very much in line with the vast majority of what leading Dems are saying but it's the GOP (and especially Trump) who has politicised all of this to the point where non-mask wearing is now a GOP thing.  

This is why Jordan was trying to drag Fauci into an opinion. He's not there trying to find out what's best to combat this pandemic, he's only trying to score some political points so his his dear leader will pat him on the head now and again. All this at the expense of a man who has done nothing but help his fellow Americans and guide them as best he can.

If there's any BS, start with Jordan. 

20 hours ago, robblok said:

Depends a lot if you can make money here or not. I make as much if not more then back home. Those who can't should indeed just go back as your denying yourself a lot of things. 

 

But i do find it funny how people always have to be so harsh about the country they loved to stay in before. Its as if they can't accept that they themselves failed here. Its not the country that failed its just your efforts to fail here. Thailand did not suddenly change. First they love it here and then when they can't stay here anymore they are all of a sudden overly negative. Its a bit strange reaction maybe to justify to themselves they have to go. Not accepting that its a perfectly good place for other people. 

 

Spot on.

I moved to Thailand 11 years ago and had no misconceptions about what I was getting myself in to. I immediately got myself good medical coverage (costs about 10k a month) which has been absolutely essential the few times I have called on it.

I set up a very successful business employing many Thai staff so visa's haven't been a problem for me personally but I don't see the issues with the current visa requirements for Thailand if you are legally looking to live here and have the resources to do so. Of course they are going to make life difficult for those that cannot finance themselves or who try to play the system but show me any Western country that doesn't do the same when it comes to immigration (we are after all immigrants). Education visa's fall very much into this category and I would suggest that the original poster has done well to get their '1 year living in Thailand jolly' and now has to decide which of the many legal routes to stay in Thailand they can do/afford.  

Regarding your other point made, I also have noticed the bitterness of many TV posters who blame Thailand for all their woes. Thailand is Thailand; it's great in so many ways but obviously lacks in other areas but when has that been any different? We moan about corrupt cops but pay the 200 thb "fine' when it suits us. We see the injustices in letting a wealthy cop killer go but would probably do exactly the same if our children were in the same situation and we had the resources to make it all go away (controversial I know but the truth nontheless). We bemoan coups and military governments but know ultimately it's a game played at a level way above us and therefore has very little effect on us or most of the Thai people we know.

For me the pros of Thailand still vastly outweigh the cons but if that changes then I'll do something about it. What I won't do though is blame Thailand for it (unless of course they ban foreigners or take away our businesses or something of that level of ridiculous). I am the person who controls my future and I am ultimately the one who decides the best route for it to take. The sooner people start understanding this then the better equiped they are for what life and Thailand throws at them.

41 minutes ago, Bender Rodriguez said:

economy was up under trump, till corona happened, but they listened to WHO & mr "fault"chy

The economy was up before Trump. He just had the blind luck to keep it going (albeit it by adding $2 trillion to the national debt). 

And the reason the US is in the mess they are right now with C19 is because the DIDN'T listen to the WHO and Fauci. If he had, America would be coming out of the pandemic and facing the 2nd wave with strength, rather than still being waist deep in the 1st wave.

7 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

So with this 145,000 now dead the "troll in chief" is wearing a mask, yet the alarmist in chief doesn't bother any more(unless he is virtue signalling). Fauci wore a mask when he was alone to throw the ball on live TV, yet when he sits in close contact with others he takes it off. Say it all doesn't it!

 

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jul/24/dr-anthony-fauci-says-photo-him-without-mask-baseb/

Another classic deflection from TDS.

Firstly, he IS wearing a mask; the photo just shows him not wearing it at that precise moment (and has been pointed out, he could have been taking a drink of water etc) but secondly, and more importantly, what does that have to do with Trump not wearing a mask?

Did your mum never teach you that 2 wrongs don't make a right? Fauci at fault doesn't exhonerate Trump. Trump is POTUS and should be setting an example but instead he has managed to politicise wearing a mask. You couldn't make it up..................unless you're a Trump supporter of course.

5 minutes ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

Although you are correct that Trump is not required to release his taxes I know that you know that since 1974 every president but Gerald Ford has made a voluntary release of the tax returns they filed. (Ford did not release complete returns, but did a 10 year summary of gross income, taxable income, major deductions, taxes paid etc. "Actual" presidents (Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, W and Obama) have all released their taxes...until guess who...even Mike Pence has released his taxes 10 times...

 

When somebody that screamed so loud and so long for somebody's birth certificate...perhaps they should stop cringing in the shadows and wasting SCOTUS time, man up and stop being a hypocrite. (Especially when that somebody is NOTORIOUS for craving adulation, credit and validation for everything that has to do with money). Why keep clinging to the fact that legally Trump is not obligated to do what every other decent and credible candidate seems to be able to do and why not ask yourself why you think he does not release his taxes when he said he would many times? The State of New York is not going to stop asking that question by the way...

 

You are a self described independent. Why do ***you*** think he does not just release the documents and take that issue off the table? 

I think it's pretty evident that despite his statement to the contrary, the man who loves Thai beaches is far from independent. On to more useful things though. 

I think your point goes to the heart of why Trump still has so many supporters. Coming to the end of his 1st (and only we hope) term, he has achieved little to nothing. Quite the opposite in fact; I would proffer he's done far more harm than good and regressed the US back many decades in terms of inclusivity, economics and the world stage. Time and time again he has gone against the norm and floated convention, (not putting up his tax returns being a good example) and tried to sue anyone and everyone with a bad opinion of him. However, he still has an impressive amount of followers. How? Why?

When asked why they support Trump most Trump fans actually struggle to articulate a reason and usually resort to 'well he is better than Hilary' or 'he's putting America first' but the reality is they like and support him as he is basically them. He's the 'rebel' no one understands but has the in-side scoop on what's REALLY going on in the world. He's them because he 'talks just like them', you know, without those big fancy words. He's them necause he hates foreigners just like them and believes every conspiracy going..... just like them. 

They want transportion back to the utopia of the 1950,s when things were so much better (if you were white and middle class of course) and other politicians with their fancy words and their fancy thoughts can't understand their needs. Only Trump can. 

And if that means bending a few rules and making exceptions for Trump then so be it. If you've already sold your sould what's the point in keeping your morality.

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given as almost everything he tried to do was blocked by the courts, not as much as he should have, but he did manage some of the wall, a lot of people got jobs, blacks did better, he cancelled the revolting Pacific scheme, stuck it to Iran, stuck it to China ( but not as much as he should have ), moved to reduce troop numbers overseas, didn't invade other countries, didn't start a war.

Not too bad a job, given the opposition and having to deal with pointless investigations ( Mueller ) and bound to fail impeachment farce.

Having opened the door to such, it's all going to happen, IMO, to Biden as well, should he become president.

Were it not for the Corona thing he'd be a shoo in in November and it's still likely he'll win again, given the Dems gift of Biden as his opponent.

 

'Given as almost everything he tried to do was blocked by the courts, not as much as he should have...' - if by courts you mean the legislative, when Trump was elected, he controlled both the House of Representatives and the Senate, giving him almost free reign. 

"but he did manage some of the wall' - no he didn't. Any addition to the existing wall was already proposed and approved. All he has done is oversea 79 miles of replacement or reinforcemnet.

'a lot of people got jobs' - thankfully he had inherited a booming economy thanks to Obama and the Dems. 

'blacks did better' - how? Where they getting shot less? Discriminated against less? Promoted more?They did enjoy some of the lowest unemployment figures under Trump but this was again a trend starting from the Obama days https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52907646 

'he cancelled the revolting Pacific scheme' - I assume you are talking about the TPP which had pros and many cons. Most agree he cancelled it purely because it's been his goal to roll back all of the Obama ere's legislation and everyone agrees his withdrawal has directly benefitted China.

'stuck it to Iran' - he certainly did. I mean they are so much more compliant and friendly these days aren't they. If anything he's added to Middle East tensions with his fawning over Israel and the naming of Jersulam as Israel's capital.  

'stuck it to China' - by starting a hugely costly trade war that has hurt American farmers more than anyone else.

'moved to reduce troop numbers overseas' - looks like he's still 'moving' as he certainly hasn't actually done anything https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2019-12-03/trump-didnt-shrink-us-military-commitments-abroad-he-expanded-them 

'didn't invade other countries/didn't start a war' - yes, well done. As a Republican this must have been terribly tempting.

I tell you what he has done though:- he's given himself and his fellow rich buddies a huge tax decrease, he's rolled back environmental and worker protection, he's added trillions to the deficit (even before C19), he's cosied up to dictators and despots throughout the world whilst attacking his own intelligence agencies, he's had a higher staff turnover than Walmat at Xmas, 6 of his 'associates' are now convicted felons, he has gutted consumer protection regulations, he is a climate change denier and pulled out of the Paris Accord; he's defunded much of the food and drug agencies leaving them with fewer resources to deal with contaminated food outbreaks, and of course got rid of the pandemic control unit and has constantly tried to defund and control the CDC. He's also promoted hateful rhetoric that has further divided the US whilst simultaneously promoted more religion in government and oversean a pandemic which he has ignored, denied, minimised and ignored in equal measure. And he still hasn't released his tax returns.

But yeah Biden. He's worse.  

11 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

The MSM down south, Beeb in particular, have always talked about the UK figures in order to avoid the embarrassment of showing up England's dismal performance. 

There is bound to be some truth in the population density argument, but for Scotland the proportion of people living outside of the packed central belt is pretty small. Sturgeon was right IMO to take the reopen move very cautiously.

 

Having returned home for work from CM, where I was for 4+months, I was utterly astonished to find out that only very recently have they insisted on masks in shops here. The restrictions in Thailand started months ago, and you still get your temperature taken as you enter even small supermarkets there, and the province has been Covid free for over 2 months. I never heard any idiocy in Thailand about masks restricting personal freedom. 

 

If they can do it why on earth can't we? Any ideas of superiority that a number of TV folk appear to harbour,  is cast into doubt.

I agree with this, especially the part regarding MSM.

The UK's MSM has been completely sycophantic when it comes to Boris and C19. The Telegraph, The Sun, Express, Times, The Mail and other, right leaning piblications have levelled little to no criricism about Boris's obvious incompetancy and obvious mishandling of this crisis.

Why was there not enough PPE to cover front-line workers? Why did it take until mid-March for Boris to 'recommend' working from home and even longer to close down schools/pubs/restaurants etc? Why has the testing and tracking taken so long to get off the ground and even now doesn't test nearly enough people? Why is mask wearing still a debate (for us living in Thailand, this has been a mainstream of daily life for quite some time now).

All these crucial deadlines and recommendations were not met (and some still haven't been) resulting in the UK having the second highest C19 death per population ratio in the world  and a MSM seemingly oblivous to it all.

I personally think they had already gone 'all-in' with Boris regarding Brexit, so they had no choice other than to keep bluffing with the same 'everythings going to be fine, nothing to see here, keep moving along' tactic they've been adopting for years.  Boris admitting there 'maybe' a debate about whether the lockdown came too late is just another cynical ploy to get ahead of the eventual criticism that's going to come his way. His usual 'bumbling, lovable clown' act is going to be a tough one to pull off when confronted with the families and friends of the 45,000 (and still counting) dead. His and his governments incompetance caused many of these deaths and should (I won't hold my breath) result in his dismisal. 

2 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

This is a no win situation for all governments. Herd immunity, or lockdown and ruin their economies for generations ahead. In the UK we now understand that being run over by a bus is counted as a covid 19 death if the deceased had earlier been infected. As a result, those actually dying of corona are about half the 40k plus being generally quoted. A full audit is underway.

Absolute nonsense.

Apart from your very obvious conspiracy theory of anyone 'being run over by a bus is counted as a covid 19 death', how to handle this and similar pandemics have been in place for quite some time.

Taiwan (458 cases, 7 deaths) and South Korea (14,000 cases, 258 deaths), acted early and decisively, quickly putting in travel restrictions followed by screenings, identifying, tracing and strict quarantining. They never waited around for a non-existant herd immunity to emerge (that is only reasonably pluasible once a vacine has been found) and didn't ruin their economies as they didn't lock down.

The point though is all they did was follow well known and trusted doctrines/methodologies that had been put in place after the likes of SARS, H1N1, MERS and Ebola. Every other country also had the ability to mimic these methods but as in the case of the UK, they dithered in the crucial initial weeks and even now are not following guidance (why is it only been this week that the wearing of face masks has been made compulsory in shops for example).  

For a country that prides itself on it's esteemed scientific credtentials, the UK has done abysmally with C19 and the blame must lay with Boris and the Tories. Heads must roll!  

6 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

There's only small handful of countries in the world that have handled the crisis well. The remainder all need to be open to criticism and a full review to avoid repeat mistakes which cost lives and the economy so disastrously.

 

Those that followed the advice of WHO in the early stages are suffering badly.

Another WHO blamer I see.

It is not for the WHO to govern how independent countries handle a pandemic; they can only issue warnings in the hope that countries then follow their guidance. In this instance the WHO Director-General issues a statemet that the outbreak constituted a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (it's highest warning) on the 30th January 2020. https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/27-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19

It took Boris and his cronies a crucial 6 weeks to then start taking the crisis seriously having initially gone down the ill thought out 'herd immunity' approach and even downgrading the threat from level 4 back to 3. https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1932

This crucial time saw inactivity at an unprecidented scale (lack of PPE for frontline staff, care homes left to fend for themselves etc) and it's taken so long to get to the target testing numbers, it's all but useless.

There's a reason the UK has had so many infections and so many deaths and that reason starts and ends with Boris. 

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Not a question of whether Trump has done a fantastic job or not. It's about whether Biden is elected or not. It is a repeat of the last election- a choice between two bad candidates, but which is worse than the other? No contest IMO, but we'll see what the populace thinks come November.

It's 'Not a question of whether Trump has done a fantastic job or not'? Really? Really?

I'm sure even Trump himself would argue that point, what with him having dismissed contestant after contestant on his reality show for NOT doing a good job.

And again, I'll go back to my original post. You are rejecting Biden off-hand for THINKING he might do a bad job, when you absolutely know for sure that Trump has done a terrible job of being POTUS.

You gave Trump a chance 3 1/2 years ago because you thought Hilary was going to be awful but now you have actually seen how awful Trump has been, yet you're still willing to give him your vote because of what? Bidens a bit older? He's too 'swampy'? He stutters sometimes when talking?

Just admit it. You're a Trump fan trying desperately to pass yourself off as an 'undecided' whilst knowing all along you remain a Trump fan because..................well, I don't know.

But I do know it's not because it's 'a choice between two bad candidates' as currently it's a choice between a really bad candidate and one that is yet to prove himself bad or not.  

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Not up to you to tell us what to do on here.

As long as Biden is the Dems candidate it certainly holds true now.

Seems the haters are, IMO, blinded to how bad Biden is as long as he defeats Trump. A vote for Biden isn't, IMO, even a vote for him- it's a vote for the VP that will take over when Biden is forced to retire for health reasons.

I've said it many times that if the Dems want to defeat Trump all they have to do is get a decent candidate.

Do you really want to talk about who is 'blinded'? 

You think Biden is going to be forced into retirement for 'health reasons' (can I borrow that crystal ball of yours please) despite the fact he is only 3 years older than Trump, who in turn is a morbidly obese man who lives on McDonalds and KFC. You are doing exactly what my original post stated and just jumping on the 'old man' band wagon as a means and reason to justify your devotion to Trump.

Your definition of what a 'decent' democratic candidate would have been would have been subject to exactly the same process as is being done to Biden - Saunders would have been branded a commie, Warren, a shrill 'Indian' wannabee; Buttigieg, gay; Gabbard, a hormonial woman etc etc 

It didn't matter who the Dems put up, Trump fans would have found some fault after their beloved leader penned yet another bully nickname. Your infer that a 'brilliant' candidate would have swayed your vote but that doesn't bear scrutiny as it's not about Bidens experience or even his policies (which you have NEVER mentioned) but it is about finding some petty fault (swampy Biden) to feed into your echo chamber. 

And no one is trying to tell you 'what to do on here'. It's a forum for expressing thoughts and ideas on particular subjects and if I offer a suggestion I don't think anyone reads it as a dictate. So please, try to not take it so personal.  

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Don't quote me and then use "you" when talking about things others have said.

You may not have called him 'sleepy' but you have certainly called him 'swampy Biden'? (post 241)

23 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't disagree with your post. I'm just happy that she didn't win. He's miles and miles and miles better than she would have been IN MY OPINION.

I think you Trump fans need to give this a rest now. We get it you 'only voted for Trump' because he was the lesser of two evils (in your opinion), but that surely cannot hold true now.

Firstly, despite gossip from right wing Australian 'news', Clinton is well and truly out of the running in any capacity close to the White House and its been 3 1/2 years under Trump so surely his own record in office must now stand as testament to his abilities as POTUS? 

Secondly, you deride Biden with childish name calling and association to 'far left socialism' when neither his demeanor suggest his 'sleepy' moniker and his policies do not suggest far left socialism at all. It's like you are trying everything to find a reason to still back Trump even when time and time again he does the inexcusable (appointing/working with half a dozen now convicted felons; commuting Stones sentence; ignoring Russian payments to the Taliban; defrauding his own charity; stoking racial tensions; mishandling a continuing pandemic) and are now just simply running out of ideas and excuses, so keep having to resort to 'He's miles and miles and miles better than she would have been'.

That ship has well and truly sailed so you are now left with a simple choice; if your truly believe that Trump has done a fantastic job with the US economy, the pandemic, uniting a country, foreign affairs, choosing the best people to help him run the country, not financially benefitting out of being POTUS and 'draining the swamp', then by all means vote for him come November. But if you, like many, think he has done a terrible job with all of these things, then in the immortal words of a rather cheesy reality TV star, he must be fired. 

19 hours ago, dunroaming said:

Every country has failed in dealing with this pandemic effectively.  Britain certainly handled it very badly.  But this is still an ongoing situation and there is much more to come.  No one can say with any confidence when this will be over or how much worse it will get.  The UK government cannot bring themselves to level with public because they have screwed up so badly and continue to do so. 

 

As for the USA, you have a complete idiot in the White House who has lost all grip on reality and just rants and raves like the lunatic he clearly is.

Although I agree with most of your post, I have to take acception to 'Every country has failed in dealing with this pandemic effectively'. South Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, New Zealand, Singapore, Taiwan, Australia, Greece and even Thailand faired much, much better than most.   https://time.com/5851633/best-global-responses-covid-19/

The common denominator? They all acted quickly and decisively at THE BEGINNING of the pandemic with either mass testing, tracking and isolating (like S. Korea, Taiwan) or immediate lockdown (Greece, Singapore, Thailand). The UK dithered with their wrong 'herd immunity' initial response and when they finally got their act together (some 6 weeks after the crisis happened), it was of course far too late. 

And I think we all agree if it's wasn't for Trumps deny, deflect, ignore the science response (even still doing it now by not insisting on masks for everyone and the promise it'll all be gone soon), the US would have faired much, much better. Both Boris and Trump are responsible for their countries appalling numbers of deaths and both should be held accountable; starting with Trump in November and Boris as soon as possible. 

Have a read of this and for gods sake cheer up!

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/01/seven-charts-that-show-the-world-is-actually-becoming-a-better-place

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

The same one, report back with biden rally crowd numbers.

Again a nonsensical point.
You talk about  “crowd numbers” as if again its a petty popularity contest. Biden isn’t doing rallies because....and wait for it...during a major pandemic, why on earth do you want large crowds gathered together? It shows an understanding of a situation. It’s shows sacrifice to his own detriment and consideration for his fellow Americans; it’s shows presidential responsibility. 
Once you start understanding that then perhaps you can start understanding the job he is applying for. It’s not about him; it’s what’s right for his fellow countrymen. 
THATS presidential.