lostoday

I like world class French food and Swiss chocolates, Japanese steak, Chinese Xiao Long Pao preferably at a Michelin starred restaurant eaten in the company of beautiful Thai women. I'm happy here. I would not be here without the things I like. Each to their own.

But didn't you also write this:

I had a picnic on the sidewalk in front on Nana Plaza at 4AM me and 4 ladies and a dozen entrees including bugs. We all sat there right on the sidewalk no chairs on bamboo mats and ate all drunk as lords. Right there in the middle of the sidewalk. Where else could you do that?

You're certainly a man of varied tastes!

I like world class French food and Swiss chocolates, Japanese steak, Chinese Xiao Long Pao preferably at a Michelin starred restaurant eaten in the company of beautiful Thai women. I'm happy here. I would not be here without the things I like. Each to their own.

That's a chinchilla

My banker at Bangkok Bank told me fixed accounts were fine for immigration. But what would he know? He only writes 20 letters a day.

Admittedly they are fine, but now KCI want to see an ordinary account book with movement of money, as well as 800,000+ in a fixed term account. If that is how you do things.

I guess the biggest hurt for immigration officers is to sit there day after day reading bankbooks of farangs that are earning 10 times a month than them and are retired? It must get right up their noses?

I think it is only one or two offices out of 50. Not really a problem except in the pages of the INTERNET. My experience in 50 visits to Thai Immigration all over the country is they hardly notice my presence.

There have been reports from other sources of this happing at Khon Kaen, Udon Thani, Nong Khai, Amnat Charoen, Rayong, All Division 4 offices, 11 answers to Korat.

Not true. Never happened for Retirement extension in Rayong.

It did happen to me back in February this year at Rayong, the first time in 4 consecutive years of getting retirement extensions. I understand the reason was that at the time the officer authorised to sign off the applications was away. They phoned me after a couple of weeks to go back, and very quickly endorsed my passport (for a year from expiry of the previous extension), as well as doing the 90-day report which was not due for several weeks.

So, no big deal.

The big deal for some is that they have to make an unnecessary trip,300 klm for on bloke i met.

300 miles for Rayong?

Sinbin, think you will find money in fixed account is not accepted anywhere. Also don't imagine it's about movement. It's about having ready access to an amount of money they deem you can support yourself while on 12 extension of stay

Since when has this changed.

My banker at Bangkok Bank told me fixed accounts were fine for immigration. But what would he know? He only writes 20 letters a day.

For all my frugality, I have never wanted or coveted others material possessions. When I decides to retire at 40 I knew there would be sacrifice and it was no problem bcz Id already made so many getting to that point.

I enjoy the contest: My ability to get the absolute best and highest quality, for the best price.

For me, a life not shackled to a lifestyle tethered to job, to be a free man - has been worth whatever rich, creamy food I cannot consume or some high bed I cannot place my head upon. Some ridiculous car...

The only material possessions that are worth paying dearly for are those that both hold value and last a lifetime.

I gave up on material possessions early in life, the pursuit of which and the people caught up in all of it was just an unhealthy scene.

I choose as my wife to spend on experiences, not that a lovely country home in Issan or Ranong largely off the grid, growing things and living free as many of you do is not one of thise unique, quality experiences.

If you are some single/divorced guy shoveling 40k in a flat, out in fancy overpriced restaurants and clubs. Low quality, ephemeral existence. Not seen much of the world, nor care to. Relocated from home directly to Thailand. Barely stepped foot in neighboring countries. Have no love in your life. Every woman is a chunk of meat to be weighed and assessed. I see that as a very empty life. I'm also throughly unimpressed with your fancy car as well, do the world a favor - take public transport. That is if you can stop thinking about yourself for a moment.

When the British housing market tanks and the gbp goes south, will be interesting to see how many of these jetsetters are left here.

What a crock...what gives you the right to judge how other people live their lives....

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what give you the right to judge people who judge you?

Order of judgement. It's like, I'm just sitting there minding my own business and you come along and hit me. So it's OK for me to smack the living crap out of you.

went through this for a small mount of time at Phitsanulok, it turned out no superior Imm Off in the building to sign off the retirement extensions. It's back to normal now, all done on the day.

I know a lot of elder ex-pats here who use the Embassy (UK) proof of income letter, often they are asked to provide evidence of actually spending money in Thailand..

Plus they can ask anything they like, I live in an area famous for its roadside grilled chicken stalls, once asked "where's our chicken?".

I know a lot of elder expats (embassy letter) and I don't know any who are asked to provide evidence of actually spending money. As that would be impossible because no one in Thailand gives receipts.

You don't have to show you actually spend the money. Just some king of proof you are bringing it into the country.

A Thai bank book showing transfers into the country is the best proof.

That's what I thought. I wonder why the above poster wrote, "often they are asked to provide evidence of actually spending money in Thailand." Do you think he was making it up?

Some "minor" immigration offices must go through a review process for applications as they are in effect subsidiary offices of another immigration district office.

Don't worry about the 30 day "review" process.... if you get the 30 day wait stamp, you are practically guaranteed to get your extension.

It is just that the "boss" back in the corporate headquarters must approve the field offices' travel expense accounts for routine travel requests.

Well this is the first under consideration stamp I have received at Kap Choeng for an extension.

Even though the extension was approved by Korat I was grilled by the boss there for 20 minutes.

He really had no idea about the current requirements for an extension.

Marriage or retirement extension? If it was a retirement extension what did he ask you?

Not true. Never happened for Retirement extension in Rayong.

It did happen to me back in February this year at Rayong, the first time in 4 consecutive years of getting retirement extensions. I understand the reason was that at the time the officer authorised to sign off the applications was away. They phoned me after a couple of weeks to go back, and very quickly endorsed my passport (for a year from expiry of the previous extension), as well as doing the 90-day report which was not due for several weeks.

So, no big deal.

What did they stamp on your passport?

went through this for a small mount of time at Phitsanulok, it turned out no superior Imm Off in the building to sign off the retirement extensions. It's back to normal now, all done on the day.

I know a lot of elder ex-pats here who use the Embassy (UK) proof of income letter, often they are asked to provide evidence of actually spending money in Thailand..

Plus they can ask anything they like, I live in an area famous for its roadside grilled chicken stalls, once asked "where's our chicken?".

I know a lot of elder expats (embassy letter) and I don't know any who are asked to provide evidence of actually spending money. As that would be impossible because no one in Thailand gives receipts.

I dont find ''Thailand'' that cheap, I eat out quite a lot, Good Quality Restaurants, and i dont skip on quality Groceries..

Buy most my Fruit and Veg from the Market, which is delicious...

but i must go through about 70,000 baht a Month....

but like i said, dont scrimp......

I am Strict Vegetarian, so its impossible to buy Food from the Supermarket, as there is little or no Vegetarian Options..

Why could you not buy vegetables from the supermarket and cook them at home? I lived with a vegetarian lady and she cooked all of our meals at home?

I don't remember the food I ate 10 years ago ( and it all ends up as c**p ), but I do remember the lovely girls I knew back then. If it came down to spending money on food or girls, no contest.

Fortunate the man that can afford the best of both.

Some of us only have to afford to buy food.

Only losers feel like they have to buy women

The only men I know who don't give money to women are those that can't (or the guys who don't like women).

Heck I bought my mother a house. I bought mom a car. I paid for all of her bills when she got old. Did I buy mom?

That rockies air is full of chemtrail residue which after injesting enough makes you all delusional, and you feel inclined to move into a grindhouse, play on line poker and eat mama noodles all day

http://www.weather.com/news/climate/news/canadian-company-sells-bottled-air

You'll have to excuse me but I simply don't dine at the end of the market from where "dishes" like that originate.

I'm talking about imported meats, fruits, trusted brand names but I'm not sure your pension will stretch, MaeJo

imported meats, fruits, trusted brand names

So you pay large to eat imported fruit when it's fresh off the tree in LOS, meat when it's fresh killed in LOS, western "brands" full of chemicals ( ever read those labels? ).

I suppose you think Thai food is full of sprays etc, but western processed food is hardly free of chemicals, and the Thais seem to survive just as well as westerners ( and westerners are very unhealthy ).

Who said anything about processed food?

I import stuff that I'm either unable to find here or that I'm not prepared to compromise on.

I bring in things like toiletries, sportswear, trainers as well as Yorkshire Tea.

The local gourmet food markets at Terminal 21, EM Quartier and Emporium stock imported California red grapes that taste far superior to locally produced nonsense.

I like smoked salmon but the locally-produced Thammachart stuff tastes like utter crap - dry and pumped full of foul-smelling preservatives; I prefer the Scottish produce at Villa or Gourmet.

People might think this is excessive but they think nothing of peeling off 10 or 20k a month to keep a Thai woman in their employ.

Go figure

I bring my own air. I have it shipped from the Rockies in large bubbles. When it gets here I climb inside. The air here sucks.

Some might think it's excessive but I know a guy who imports his women from the old country now that's excessive.

There have been reports from other sources of this happing at Khon Kaen, Udon Thani, Nong Khai, Amnat Charoen, Rayong, All Division 4 offices, 11 answers to Korat.

Khon Kaen: four times, never under consideration and from the small circle of expats also not heard of.

The female boss (Captain) countersigns in minutes and there you go.

She is there since my first visit in 2011.

This may have been what I saw.

Women caught in fake marriage registration scam

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Women-caught-in-fake-marriage-registration-scam-30245742.html

Excuse me but you are worring people half to death about a 30 day review for a retirement extension and you are getting your information from the Nation? And it "may" - "may" be what you saw?

Every time an immigration topic is posted like today you are in CM forum posting the same stuff about the 30 day review for retirement extensions. You are there, everywhere trying to scare the old guys.

And you are not even sure where you saw wrong information that is not involved in a retirement extension?

You posted that Rayong and Khon Kaen and all division 4 offices had 30 day under consideration stamps and that is totally false and the best excuse you can offer is a typo and a story about marriage extensions?

I hope Thai Visa has some credibility but you should have a notice next to your name that you are not a reliable poster. Sorry but this is an important topic for many people and you should be sure before you post false information. You might effect people's lives by your falsehoods.

imported meats, fruits, trusted brand names

So you pay large to eat imported fruit when it's fresh off the tree in LOS, meat when it's fresh killed in LOS, western "brands" full of chemicals ( ever read those labels? ).

I suppose you think Thai food is full of sprays etc, but western processed food is hardly free of chemicals, and the Thais seem to survive just as well as westerners ( and westerners are very unhealthy ).

You say "western brands full of chemicals"

well...

Some stuff I occasionally bought in Thailand:

Pasta from Italy = 0 chemicals (according to the label)

Olive oil (Spain/Italy) = 0 chemicals

Granola (Netherlands/Germany) = 0 chemicals

Peeled tomatoes (Italy) = 0 chemicals

Italian mixed herb spices = 0 chemicals

Olives (Spain/Greece) = 0 chemicals

By the way in my home country men live 9 years longer than in Thailand, but I'm not sure that food is the cause, probably more because of the the healthcare system, less traffic accidents, less alcoholism, etc

Fair enough, you got me there, but MOST of the imported processed food is full of chemicals. Even back in country of origin, the stuff in supermarkets is usually processed and full of chemicals.

BTW, why would anyone buy imported tomatoes when the markets have shelves full of them? Does travel make them taste better?

Just to be off topic a bit, while men may live longer back home, for most it's not "living", stuck in a rest home in front of a tv all day. In fact that is my idea of hell on earth, and if I die sooner by living in LOS, all the better for me.

They are already peeled so great for pasta sauce. Thai tomatoes are not that tasty. Plus I like Italian ingredients, as they respect their products and its always great quality and taste.

As for long life: as they say - let's talk when you are 71 ...

Tomatoes are easy to peel and with three different kinds of fresh basil easy to cook. After cooking tomatoes with basil, oregeno, cayenne, garlic and onion and salt and pepper how on earth can one tell the difference between Italian tomatoes grown in Italy and Italian tomatoes grown in Thailand?

From the forum: it also happens at Udon Thani.

There have been reports from other sources of this happing at Khon Kaen, Udon Thani, Nong Khai, Amnat Charoen, Rayong, All Division 4 offices, 11 answers to Korat.

Not true. Never happened for Retirement extension in Rayong.

losttoday writes:

"No one on Thai Visa has been asked for a TM30 to obtain a retirement extension at Jomtein when other documents such as lease or power bills have been available."

-So is this correct? Is there anyone here who has been asked at this immigration office at Jomtien for such a document?

As also mentioned in another post, easy for someone to ask direct from an immigration officer at Jomtien what documents are needed for retirement extension specifically for proof of address. One of the mods who claim to specialize on immigration rules could contact immigration and get a formal ruling.

I did my extention in February and all i was required to provide re my address was a copy of my rental agreement......... has that changed?

Pattaya is Chonburi Immigration and Sri Ratcha is Chonburi Immigration, would it be unreasonable to expect some sort of commonality.

This is a TM30 receipt from Chonburi Immigration dated July 2014. I have 2 in my passport, they didn't take the old one out, just stapled it closed.

tm30 jul 14 001.jpg

You wrote, "Pattaya is Chonburi Immigration and Sri Ratcha is Chonburi Immigration, would it be unreasonable to expect some sort of commonality."

The answer to your question in my experience is yes.

OMG. You cannot possibly be that vacuous! My comments are factual and not wrong.

I have made it clear that I don't know what (if anything) is asked for at Jontiem. My comments about TM30 requirements are generic and based on personal experience as well as information given to me first hand by two immigration officers (friends).

There are two different occasions when a TM30 is/may be required.

1. When a foreigner moves in. Section 38 applies and the report can be done by the house-master, owner or possessor regardless of their nationality. It only needs to be done once per entry to the country.
2. TM30 for extensions. In my experience and following conversations with immigration, when (IF) they ask for a TM30 with extensions applications it is not necessarily to comply with section 38 but more as a form of proof/confirmation of residency. And because of that they (at least my office) are asking for the person named in the Tabien Baan as the house-master to complete the form and provide ID and a copy of the Tabien Baan. YES they are almost always the owner but it's the person named as house-master (in whatever capacity) that they want (at least at my office).

The only person giving wrong and confusing information has been you.

You wrote, "I have made it clear that I don't know what (if anything) is asked for at Jomtiem."

I am in complete agreement with you.

Since this thread is about Jomtien/Pattaya and since all Immigration offices are different I have no idea why you are posting in this thread. The first post you wrote on this thread which you listed the above information (#88) you did not make it clear you didn't know anything about Jomtein.

Section 38 of the Act actually states;

Section 38 : The house – master , the owner or the possessor of the residence , or the hotel manager where the alien , receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed , must notify the competent official of the Immigration Office located in the same area with that hours , dwelling place or hotel, within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the alien concerned. If there is no Immigration Office located in that area , the local police official for that area must be notified. In case the house , dwelling place , or hotel where the alien has

stayed under provision of Para.1 is located within the Bangkok area , such notification must be reported to the competent official at the Immigration Division. Making notification , in reference to the Para 1 and 2 of this Section , must comply with regulations prescribed by the Director General.

Section

Section 4 of the same Act defines house-master as;

“ House Master ” means any persons who is the chief possessor of a house , whether in the capacity of owner , tenant , or in any other capacity whatsoever , in accordance with the law on people act.

In my case when I moved into a privately rented house, I completed a TM28 (change of address) and the TM30 on behalf of my Thai landlady (who lives some distance away) as the possessor and tenant of the property.

I didn't have any issues with Immigration as to who completed the TM30 as long as it was completed.

Both receipts are stapled in my passport.

In every topic about address reporting, you are a cantankerous poster who fails to understand what you read, either as posted from experience by other members or from extracts of the law.

From your previous posts I can only assume you have a great fear of being caught out for some illegal activity by Immigration as you seem to move up and down the Country, married but on a retirement extension and teaching.

So it would be in your own interest to avoid Immigration knowing as little as possible about your residence and the fact that you are working illegally, hence you troll on this type of topic and try to confuse the issue for your own piece of mind.

You even consulted a lawyer on this issue........unbelievable!

Your flame,

"In every topic about address reporting, you are a cantankerous poster who fails to understand what you read, either as posted from experience by other members or from extracts of the law.

From your previous posts I can only assume you have a great fear of being caught out for some illegal activity by Immigration as you seem to move up and down the Country, married but on a retirement extension and teaching.

So it would be in your own interest to avoid Immigration knowing as little as possible about your residence and the fact that you are working illegally, hence you troll on this type of topic and try to confuse the issue for your own piece of mind.

You even consulted a lawyer on this issue........unbelievable!"

No response to flame.

2. Your response about the TM 30 is not about Jomtein/Pattaya and as such is an attempt to confuse posters. Each immigration office is different. If you want to post information about another office in a thread about Pattaya you should identify the office you are posting about and the visa extension you are writing about.

Each office is different for any information to be valuable a poster should identify the office and visa they are posting about.

In my opinion and experience, when immigration request TM30's with extension applications they specifically want the house-master (chief possessor) to provide it as a form of proof of address. House-master being the person named in the Tabien Baan of the property which may or may not be the owner.

Whereas a TM30 submitted within 24 hours of a foreigner moving in to a property can be completed by the house-master, owner or possessor.

Ah there is the rub. I think Immigration wants the owner of the house/land to fill in the form and rarely do they want it if it is a retirement extension. The owner of the house/land will always be the owner of the house/land.

The poster above has verified my opinion while getting a retirement extension in Phuket. Phuket Immigration did not want the person living in the house to fill in the form they wanted the form filled by the owner of the house/land.

You've almost got it but.......

• It is not the owner they want but the house-master named in the Tabien Baan of the address the foreigner lives at. In addition to the TM30 they ask for a copy of the page in the Tabien Baan naming this person as house-master and a copy of their ID.
• The house-master may or may not be the owner.
• The owner of the property isn't necessarily named in the Tabien Baan of a property they own.
• Thais are only named in one Tabien Baan which should be the address they claim to live at.
• A foreigner could also qualify as the house-master.

Your bulleted information is not based on fact or anything that has happened at Jomtein only your opinion.

That is all I am trying to say is the above even with bullets is only your opinion. And it is wrong.

You wrote, "It is not the owner they want but the house-master named in the Tabien Baan of the address the foreigner lives at. In addition to the TM30 they ask for a copy of the page in the Tabien Baan naming this person as house-master and a copy of their ID."

The law reads "

According to section 38 of the 1979 immigration act, "House owners, heads of household, landlords or managers of hotels who accommodate foreign nationals on a temporary basis who stay in the kingdom legally, must notify the local immigration authorities within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the foreign national." If there is no immigration office in the province or locality of the respective house or hotel, the notification is made to the local police station. In Bangkok the notification is made to the Immigration Bureau. The notification of residence of foreign nationals is made by the manager of licensed hotels according to the hotel act, owners of guesthouses, mansions, apartments and rented houses using the form TM. 30."

You wrote, "It is not the owner they want." Wrong - the law states, "House owners, heads of household, landlords or managers of hotels who accommodate foreign nationals on a temporary basis who stay in the kingdom legally, must notify the local immigration authorities within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the foreign national."

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/base.php?page=alienstay

• It is owner of the house/land, heads of household, landlords or managers of hotels that is to fill in the TM 30.
• The house-master/owner is almost always a Thai owner.
• The owner of the property is usually named in the Tabien Baan of a property they own.
• A foreigner can not own land in Thailand.
• To avoid problems have the owner of the property where you reside fill out a TM30 in case asked for said documnet by immigration authorities. Or don't.
• The worst that can happen is you might have to make another trip to Imigration at Jomtein.
• No one on Thai Visa has been asked for a TM30 to obtain a retirement extension at Jomtein when other documents such as lease or power bills have been available.
• The easiest method to obtain a legal retirement extension at Jomtein is alone and without an agency and don't speak Thai, dress appropriatly and act polite.

For further information about a Tabien Ban see http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/156485-yellow-tabien-bahn/?hl=tabien%20bahn

The other post says the same thing my lawyer said read below.

"I was given a TM30 to fill in IN PHUKET, they were not interested in my lease agreement, or my 30 year lease on the Chanote.The form was for the house owner to fill in,"

In my opinion and experience, when immigration request TM30's with extension applications they specifically want the house-master (chief possessor) to provide it as a form of proof of address. House-master being the person named in the Tabien Baan of the property which may or may not be the owner.

Whereas a TM30 submitted within 24 hours of a foreigner moving in to a property can be completed by the house-master, owner or possessor.

Ah there is the rub. I think Immigration wants the owner of the house/land to fill in the form and rarely do they want it if it is a retirement extension. The owner of the house/land will always be the owner of the house/land.

The poster above has verified my opinion while getting a retirement extension in Phuket. Phuket Immigration did not want the person living in the house to fill in the form they wanted the form filled by the owner of the house/land.

We don't know where elviajero gets an extension or what kind.

If I lived in a condo I would have the owner of the building fill in a TM30. If asked for it I would supply it to Immigration. There would be no doubt about it if the owner of the building/land filled in the TM30. Anyone else may be suspect in my opinion.

However if anyone really cares they can call Pattaya Immigration and ask.

I followed this topic because I was interested in it

As it turns out, probably the OP is a troll.

But worse than that these guys on here are arguing about "who said what" stuff.

Turn it off please.

I don't really think Mobi is a troll. I don't know why he would make such a post. The argument is about who should fill in the TM30. I'm thinking no one or the house owner and the other guy says any Farang is liable to fill out the report.

That is a significant difference.

Should you go to your landlord and ask him for a lot of paperwork for nothing or should you fill in the report and keep it on hand in case it is asked for at Immigration.

Do you get extensions? Don't you want to know?

What about the Farang possessor above in Phuket? Aren't you going to correct him?

I've nothing to correct. Unlike you they aren't making false claims.

To clarify. You said, "My Thai attorney told me that the house master was the person who owned the building." and "Absurd is asking a Farang to fill out a TM 30 form as it is for Thai people to do." All I have done is correct the wrong information given to you by your lawyer and your incorrect statement that only Thai people can complete a TM30. But as usual you don't take the time to read and comprehend what's being said to you.

The other post says the same thing my lawyer said read below.

"I was given a TM30 to fill in IN PHUKET, they were not interested in my lease agreement, or my 30 year lease on the Chanote.The form was for the house owner to fill in,"