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You're right. Makes no sense.

She's only saying that because the PT party is being investigated by the EC for illegally allowing her father to run it--which, of course, he is. It's all just a farce.

Yes, every time there's a thread on renting vs. buying, someone usually comes along and points out that if you had just rented in Thailand and if you had invested the X baht that you would have spent on buying property in Thailand, you could have made more money. Several points are usually not mentioned, or glossed over. The first is the big IF in the above statement. IF you had invested . . . You have to first have the discipline to actually do the investing, and not blow the money on wine, women, and song. I wonder how many do neither--don't buy property or invest in anything else. If you've bought a place, you at least haven't squandered your money and you always have a roof over your head. You'll save on rent, which also could be invested, or spent on wine, women, and song. And, you still have an investment, your home. Second, the above investment vs. owning argument seems to ignore that, yes, you are allowed to do both. It's not an either or proposition. You can both own a home and make other investments at the same time. Some might even say it's wise to not have all your eggs in one basket.

If he does bow out he's even dumber than I thought. He doesn't debate so he has absolutely nothing to lose--and huge exposure to spout his lies and regurgitate his stump speech--maybe even win over a few brain-dead undecideds. How easy could it get? No prep needed at all. He just has to do the same thing he did with Biden. He'll show up,

I don't believe for a minute that 90% will be Thai gamblers--certainly not if the casino is in Pattaya.

Two odious choices. Keep looking.

The first house we owned had a flat tile roof. It leaked in a half dozen places and it was a nightmare trying to, first, figure out where the leaks actually were, and then try to stop the leaks. It wasn't just our house. The whole project had the same kind of flat tile roofs and some others also had leaks. While we lived there, several people we knew had their entire roofs replaced, with new flat tiles to keep the same look of the project. Some of these homes still leaked--which was so frustrating for the owners after spending the money for a new roof. Our current house and the new one we are building in a different housing estate have curved tile roofs and, so far, no leaks. Fingers crossed. We have an insulated metal roof on our long terrace roof. My spouse thought it might be noisy when it rains but it isn't. I think the insulation helps, plus it is also finished with a regular drywall ceiling.

I'm thinking the exact opposite. The older I get, the more I am interested in my quality of life. I'm 72 and my spouse and I are just finishing a new pool villa we will be living in on the Darkside of Pattaya, the second house we have built from scratch after doing an extensive renovation on the first house we bought in 2020. I'd be buying if I were 90+ and single, or partnered. My Dad lived to 95, so if I live to 90 I might get 5 years of joy out of my new living space. Or, maybe just 1 year, or even less--wouldn't matter a bit to me as long as I was living my life the way I want to live. I like livng in a space I own--for however long that may be. Cliche or not, you do only go around once and not for me living in someone else's space. Sitting and sleeping on their rental quality furniture. Looking at their taste in art. Watching tv on their likely small rental size tv screen. Tiptoeing around hoping I don't break or damage something that I don't own. No thanks. What also doesn't matter to me is making a profit--I would buy even if I might lose some money. Luckily, both here and in the US, we have never lost any money on either the many condos we have owned, or the previous and current house, which both sold easily in booming Pattaya. We buy what we like, where we want to be, make it attractive and comfortable, and so far it's always worked out ok when we go to sell. If we ever take a loss, I'd still prefer that to renting, and you have the money you did save not renting to figure against any loss. But, that's just me. If you're here short-term, or owning doesn't appeal to you, there's a variety of rentals at all price points most places, and, certainly, Bangkok. Renting can be a good option for some. As one poster said, one size does not fit all, especially true when it comes to buying or renting. Should you choose to buy, some good advice has already been given. When my spouse and I go condo or house hunting, the first thing we do is settle on an area we want to live in. That, in itself, can take some time. Then we try to choose, after a lot of study and looking, what most suits our needs and price range. We like to swim, so a big pool was a must, along with a well-equipped gym, when we were condo shopping. We don't like being cooped up inside, so we always wanted a nice-size balcony. Think about your lifestyle and the things you want to have in a condo. Even being careful, we ended up buying at a couple of new, mega projects in Pattaya that soon became very popular with illegal, short-term renters, as many of the condo units were quite small and ideal for 'hotel' rooms . We didn't care for the busy, hotel atmosphere, so we sold. Since they were, and are, quite popular projects, we didn't have any trouble selling both condos at a profit. Our last condo in Pattaya was at an older project with fewer numbers of larger units. This project didn't have a problem with illegal renters and we felt like we were living in a residence, rather than a hotel. If illegal renters are a concern, you might also look for that type of project in Bangkok. We know Pattaya much better than Bangkok but we do have a getaway condo in Bangkok, very close to the Phetchaburi MRT station. The first condo we bought in Bangkok was too far from a metro station, so if I have any BKK advice it would be to try to get as close to a station as you can--we did not like a long, hot walk back to the condo after a long, hot day out and about in Bangkok. Take your time and good luck with your search.

So, in a nutshell, anybody who has worked for Trump doesn't want anything to do with him. Ringing endorsement, that.

This is still just August. Kennedy left the race too early to have an impact. By November few will likely even remember him--or his endorsement. In any case, two wackos in a pod. The wacko vote is nailed down, rock solid.

Maybe re-read my posts. What I said applies to tourists from any country. Chinese tourists and businesses were just used as an example, since China is currently the largest group and the subject of the thread.

As always, telling a lie that nobody believes. Did the same thing when he was named worst president in history. And, my, he is really looking like a big tub of lard in those photos with the Queen. Must be at least 300 pounds. The poor Queen must have been praying he didn't stumble--she could have been crushed to death.

Dinosaurs at play.

Jobs for all the local Thais servicing all of those tourists. From bus drivers to hotel room cleaners to laundry workers to hotel gardeners to hotel pool cleaners to airport workers to maintenance workers to shop owners and sales staff to hotel guest staff to amusement and tour site staff to restaurant cooks and servers to taxi drivers to food and hotel suppliers to--the list goes on and on. It's pumping money from abroad into the local Thai economy, to the benefit of many local Thai workers, and not all of them directly in the tourist industry. The Thai tour bus driver earns a salary for driving around bus loads of tourists. He has money in his pocket and gets a haircut from a Thai barber, buys a motorcycle and gets it serviced from a Thai motorcycle shop, rents a room from a Thai landlord, shops for food at a local Thai market with local Thais selling their merchandise, washes his clothes at a local Thai-owned laundrymat. Etc., etc. Multiply the Thai bus driver by thousands of Thai tourist industry workers, and, in turn, all those Thais I mentioned above, and many more, now also have money in their pockets and they, too, can go out and purchase the same sort of local goods and services as the Thai bus driver. We saw with covid what happened when that tourist money flow from abroad got turned off. Not pretty. It matters not a bit if the bus company or the hotel or the restaurant is Chinese-owned or Martian-owned. If local workers are being employed, the local economy will benefit and, in turn, the nation will benefit.

As I said in my post, Thailand has a huge tourist industry which is not made up solely of 5-star resorts. It needs tourists of all economic strata to fill it's widely diverse tourist accommodations. Thailand, and all those owners of hotel rooms, needs a steady influx of large numbers of tourists to fill all those rooms every day. If budget tourists were costing the state money, Thailand would not be trying to lure more tourists to visit. Instead, they would put a very high fee on obtaining a tourist visa to keep out budget tourists. But, they would soon be hearing from all the owners of hostels, guesthouses, and no or low-star hotels who would soon be suffering from a lack of visitors to the price range they cater to. Not to mention all the lower-end restaurants, food courts, shops, attractions, etc. France, around the same size as Thailand, had over 90 million visitors in 2019. Thailand had around 40 million that year. So, France had to handle over double the number of visitors as Thailand did. Were all 90 million visitors 5-star tourists? Of course not. They were from all economic strata, including budget tourists, the same as Thailand--but 50 million more. Like Thailand, France does not have all 5-star hotels, either. Like Thailand, France needs large numbers of diverse budget visitors to fill large numbers of diverse budget hotel rooms. The idea that if a country attracts low-budget tourists then higher budget tourists will stay away is ludicrous. (Ring, ring. "Hello, France. Just calling to ask if any of your 90 million visitors are low-budget. Oh, sorry, can't visit if that is the case.") Once again, France, 90 million visitors, many low-budget. All those low-budget tourists are certainly not keeping all the others from coming to France--including my spouse and me the year we visited. Never entered our minds. We wanted to see France, and we did. Same-same with Thailand and its visitors.

Not only is Thailand not 'attracting more than 90% low budget tourists now', it is not even attracting 'more than 90%' of Chinese low budget tourists. At least 60% of Chinese travelers to Thailand are independent travelers, not with tour groups, be they budget tours or any other kind. This was true pre-covid and the 60% figure is being maintained in the recovery period. Classified as F.I.T, Free Independent Travelers, these tourists go where they want in Thailand, buy what they want, visit attractions they want to see, and eat and sleep in establishments that they choose, not a tour agency. There are always going to be tourists of all budgets visiting Thailand. But, that's a good thing. Thailand is not Monaco. Thailand is a large country with a massive tourist industry. This industry has a huge number of rooms that need to be filled with tourists every day--from budget hostels to Mom and Pop guesthouses to large 5-star resorts. One size does not fit all. It's all fine and dandy to say Thailand should only be trying to attract 5-star tourists--but that ignores all the tourist establishments that aren't 5-star. They all contribute, including the budget tours.

It's perfectly ok to use Ms. for both married and unmarried women.

Me, too!!!

Harris is super smart to just do the one agreed to debate. She likely knows full well that Trump doesn't actually debate--look at that clown show with Biden when he just regurgitated parts of his stump speech rather than answer the debate questions. Total farce. I'm sure Harris thinks one of his clown shows is quite enough to have to suffer through. She's right.

Certainly the changing tourist demographic has had an effect on what is opening and closing--and not just with bars and go-gos. While some posters persist in thinking that there has been a steep, steep drop in the number of western visitors to Thailand, that is not actually the case. Numbers have stayed fairly steady, and in some cases grown modestly. What has grown steeply is the number of Asian, Indian, and Russian tourists, along with Thai domestic travelers, with many visitors to Pattaya coming as families. This is the new demographic that has made Pattaya one of the top 20 visited places in the world. This is the demographic that got Terminal 21 built. This is the demographic that also got all the new hotels in the north end built--from Mitt to Ozo to Dusit Famiy Wing to Brighton to Ankara to D'Beach 3 to Centre Point 1 to Centre Point Space and the massive Centre Point 3 Resort now being built, and others, both large and smaller. This is the demographic responsible for much of the new retail--from new shopping choices to new restaurants to new, fun spots like the wonderful Nitan coffee shop to amusements like Aquaverse and Ramayana waterpark. This is the demographic driving much of the growth of Pattaya, which brings benefits for those of us living here, including a wide selection of housing at all price points for a growing city, and good health care, with a big, new hospital being built on the Darkside. Along with the explosive growth comes growing pains--for Pattaya traffic congestion being one of the big pains that needs work.

My Dad, born in 1914, used to say the same thing--but about a black man as president. He lived long enough--he died in 2009 at age 95--to see a black man elected president, and a black first lady. Actually, although a card-carrying member of the silent majority, he even voted for Obama, which surprised me. That was back in 2008. Now, in the year 2024, I think a woman of color running for president is less of an issue than a black man running was in 2008--even for the silent majority.

For those of you not keeping track, that was lie # 300,159,754,286. Fun fact: that is more lies than McDonald's has served hamburgers, Trump's food of choice.

He's banned from politics but not banned from speaking out. He can still make a difference and rally the voters. He's much-admired, and rightly so.

Smart woman. More teeth gnashing and whining for spoiled, crybaby Trump.

My god, what a whiny, pathetic crybaby. A couple years in prison will do him a world of good.