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4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Well I'm sure the US can always use more Uber and Doordash drivers (said in jest).

We need more doctors and nurses, and for the moment they're still alive.

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

It can be helpful when genocidal fanatics out themselves.

Are you talking about the Kahanist in the ISraeli government?

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why is this car park hospital incident just about the only one where there is a complete lack of physical evidence for a rocket/missile? Hamas had full access and were seen inspecting the pot hole.......oops, I mean crater.

Yes, it was an oversize pothole caused by a huge explosion, and the buildings around there show little if any damage.

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Good one and for most of them, a spot on comment. They want to chant River to the Sea but some are now afraid of being doxed. 

Fear of being doxed is not it. Rather it's concentrating on what's important - saving lives in Gaza.

You should try to see the situation of these people under occupation, put yourself in their shoes. In the West Bank, the settlers supported by the IDF are a nightmare getting worse by the day. Nonetheless, if Israel would give them back a life in the West Bank where they could live and thrive, meaning that settlers in their midst would have to go, no more apartheid, I'm confident that there could be genuine peace. Gaza would be integrated with the West Bank, and elections would replace the dinosaurs in the PA.

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

What you said is very different than the wild eyed genocidal Jew hating River to the Sea mobs are saying on the streets. To them they would never believe Israel didn't do it if you stuck the evidence in their faces.

On the BBC today at the Sydney demonstration the organizers are reported to have asked the participants not to shout inflamatory slogans, as this would undermine the subject, which maybe was asking for humanitarian aid and/or ceasefire. On some campuses in the US I have heard that the River to the Sea chant was uttered, and alumni are getting excited.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Define freedom. 

Most want to kick out the Jews and take all of Israel. If they won't leave and most won't well then kill them. Same diff 

By now your should know my thoughts through numerous posts. I have spoken so many times of the two-state solution. While a state with equal rights was promised in Israel's Declaration of Independence, that would require the promised constitution that never happened (so now Israelis are faced with a malleable Basic Law which Bibi et al want to "fix").

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Aw shucks.

Demonizing Israel is an end in itself.

Facts?

Who needs facts.

Israel demonizers want it to be the Israelis that bombed the Gaza hospital even though they didn't.

Facts and truth aren't what they used to be.

The IDF is not known for truth when they are at fault, but of course other armies do the same. There are things that do not look right about the hospital narrative, but we may not be able ever to know for sure, unless something emerges from government archives many years hence.

6 minutes ago, Morch said:

Are you @thaibeachlovers? Because the post you quoted was a reply to his post, not one of yours. So, once again, deflection.

 

There was no 'blaming of the victims'. There was a comment pointing out that the Palestinians are routinely assigned an essentially passive role in all this by certain posters. If you deny that Palestinians decisions, policy and leadership had and have something to do with their ongoing predicament, than your already one-sided view is far gone.

 

No, the Burma thing was an anecdote, and hardly the crux of my post. On the other hand, you're again making excuses as regards the Palestinian side's inability to organize, unite, and work efficiently for a cause. Instead, you blame it all on others - Israel, Britain, whomever.

Since when am I excluded from the back & forth when you replied to @thatbeachlovers with something which I felt was another nitpicking as @placeholder has noticed, too? Deflection? No, correction.

I am fully aware of the Palestinians' organizing troubles, both historically and currently. Past Israeli governments had a part in this, as they didn't want Palestinians to have a credible government. That would have removed an excuse for not granting them more autonomy. So the Oslo arrangement has led the PA into becoming a stooge of Israel, assisting most of the time in oppressing the people and preventing alternate political actors from emerging. Then there is the lack of elections since 2006.

1 hour ago, Morch said:

I would love for you to stop making false accusations, then asking others to provide proof. Recent topics are mostly to do with the fighting in Gaza, and less with the West Bank (your constant attempts to change that notwithstanding). I've been away from the forum for almost two years. You're welcome to go delve there. Stop lying, stop trolling.

This war has a counterpart on the West Bank with settler terrorism, and the struggle for Palestinian freedom is becoming universal as demonstrations are happening everywhere, even in countries like Germany that try to suppress anti-Israel speech.

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Apparently because you said that Palestinians have to go through 5 checkpoints daily etc.. It may have been a sloppy statement, but it's typical that Morch nitpicked about that while not acknowledging that checkpoints are a major daily obstacle and source of humiliation and more for Palestinians. Maybe I should specify the old Morch. That was quite an impressive and as far as I can recall, unprecedented condemnation of settler activity on the West Bank that he recently launched.

Actually someone else spoke of navigating 5 checkpoints to buy food (if available). I spoke of the economic damage caused by 550+ checkpoints keeping people from going about their business, thus damaging the Palestinian economy. I believe that I gave Morch a blue heart for criticizing settler activity in that post.

6 hours ago, Morch said:

People thought Israel will not retreat from the Sinai Peninsula. It did. People thought Israeli settlement will not be removed from the Gaza Strip. They were. Granted, the West Bank is a different level, so to speak - but wholesale denial of the possibility and precedent does not indicate much honesty or knowledge.

 

As usual, nothing in your post as to what the Palestinians ought to do to promote this, nothing about how they contribute to the ongoing situation, and of course, nothing about the brutalization of their own youths.

In response to your several posts with complaints that I did not address your comments above, I felt that the point concerning withdrawals from Sinai & settlements from Gaza was not remarkable enough respond to, much less the piling on - blaming the victims further in your second paragraph.

At one earlier post I tried to explain that Palestinians had agency in political organizing and resistance, although that in the earlier pre-1930s was filtered through the predominant focus on Arab nationalism. From the 1930s it's true that they were not as organized as the Zionist side which benefited from the connivance of the British occupiers, as exemplified by Orde Wingate, whose major role you dealt with by ignoring his Palestine activities such as the Special Night Squads, and instead evoking his later career in Burma. Whataboutism?

As to your complaints that I did not respond to your blockade comments, please show me which of your voluminous comments you are referring to.

5 minutes ago, Morch said:

Obviously you are making a bogus statements instead of actually addressing the post.

My view that Palestinians cannot get freedom without the world's intervention is a pessimistic and realist assessment.

6 minutes ago, Morch said:

And that was not denied. The hyperbole you push, was.

Please tell me which phrase was hyperbole. 550+ checkpoints is public knowledge.

4 minutes ago, Morch said:

Thank you for the link. As said in many of my posts - the Israeli settlement effort in the West Bank is illegal, wrong and in the long run, detrimental to Israel's security. This specific brand of 'settlers' are even worse than the 'mainstream' ones when it comes to dispossessing the locals.

 

The ascent of the current right-wing government certainly gave them a sense of support, further entitlement and confidence that someone got their backs. While maybe not a new phenomenon, it was not quite as bad or intense as it's been this year.

 

This is part of what I tried to convey in other posts - that the current Israeli government is different than previous ones, it's an almost no-holds-barred thing. In comparison to that, the opposition, flaws to some as it may be, would be an improvement. Not a magic solution, and maybe not even benign, but not this bad.

 

I don't know if 'hundreds' of communities were displaced this way, seems a too high figure for whole villages. But that does not change the fact that this is happening. I will add one thing, though - the article discusses bedouins, which are Arab for sure, and technically Palestinian, are normally shunned and looked down at by the Palestinians themselves (same thing with Israeli Arabs and beduins in Israel). Their plight is real enough, for sure, but also somewhat cynically used by the PA.

 

Noticeably you chose, once more, to ignore comments about the blockade etc.

I've responded about the blockade in other posts. There are hundreds of stories, but these may be several stories on the same incident, and there are various levels of seriousness, no doubt.

29 minutes ago, Morch said:

Disingenuous would to insist on bringing up the blockade over and over again, while ignoring the reasons it's in place. You don't want to accept Hamas got anything to do with it. Don't want to acknowledge Egypt's part. Don't want to discuss how is it possible for Hamas to arm itself despite the blockade, while Gaza is in shambles. All you're interested in is Israel Bad.

 

 

The blockade is collective punishment under international law. Egypt has its own interests which include not annoying Israel or the US.

3 hours ago, Morch said:

People thought Israel will not retreat from the Sinai Peninsula. It did. People thought Israeli settlement will not be removed from the Gaza Strip. They were. Granted, the West Bank is a different level, so to speak - but wholesale denial of the possibility and precedent does not indicate much honesty or knowledge.

 

As usual, nothing in your post as to what the Palestinians ought to do to promote this, nothing about how they contribute to the ongoing situation, and of course, nothing about the brutalization of their own youths.

Obviously the Palestinians cannot get their freedom without the world imposing a solution on Israel.

3 hours ago, Morch said:

Not all Palestinians on the West Bank have to pass that many checkpoints for everyday stuff. That's simply not true. Also, doubt there's food shortage in the West Bank - again, something you add in without support. The Israelis can obviously cross the border to Israel as they do not normally pose a risk of carrying out terrorist attack, and, surprise - they are Israeli citizens. One can certainly criticize and object to the Israeli illegal settlement effort without getting carried away.

Having to spend hours at checkpoints to commute to one's job or healthcare is not productive for the individual or the economy. Meanwhile settlers come and go on their lovely roads with their extraterritorial (read: 19th C colonial) rights.

3 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Hyperbole. The situation in the West Bank is not nearly the same as in the Gaza Strip. That you claim it's heading in the same direction doesn't make it so. What you've 'heard' (without providing support) is immaterial.

 

You can go on and on about the blockade. If you refuse to acknowledge the reason it is in place, then your comments are meaningless. Prior to the attack there were 20,000-30,000 Gazans working in Israel everyday.

The 18-20000 is a recent development, about 1% of the Gazan population. Perhaps the hope was to cultivate some as spies.

15 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

You say: That doesn't excuse what they did but denying that the various regimes didn't create the toxic conditions for such people to flourish is just self-righteous denialism.

 

You say it doesn't excuse it, but then go on to say it does excuse it. 

 

Palestine has been ruling itself for 15-20 years. What "toxic conditions" have caused these people to videotape themselves laughing while they kill and burn babies and gang-rape children? 

 

 

 

Two wrongs don't make a right is another way of expressing what @placeholder said. It is disingenuous to ignore the blockade in place since at least 2007, where Gazans have been kept in a state of near starvation and their economy cannot properly function.

The attack was an act of desperation provoked by the prospect of Saudi Arabia joining the Abraham Accords, as Netanyahu's obvious intent was to eliminate external opposition to the settler colonization of the West Bank while continuing the blockade of Gaza. Saudi Arabia was the author of the peace proposal in place since 2002, which was not compatible with the policy of filling Area C with settlements, so getting the Saudis to effectively sign off on existing Israeli policy would have meant abandoning their peace proposal.

This attack is in a sense a trap for the current ultra-Orthodox/Kahanist faction in the Israeli government as they seize the opportunity to increase their pogroms on the West Bank. There are too many witnesses with cameras. For now centrist Israelis are overcome with horror at these massacres of secular Israelis, so it will take a while for backlash to resume against the judicial "reform" agenda and the disproportional death and destruction in Gaza and the West Bank pogroms. In the meantime the world will have taken stock of massive war crimes and depopulation in Gaza, so Hamas probably anticipated that Israel would end up with Europe and most of the world against it, with only the US still supporting it, and with qualifications. Whether merely attacking military targets would have produced a sufficiently vehement reaction is debatable. That this attack may accelerate the end of the current Israeli government is probable. 

4 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

This is probably reporting office-dependent, so best to ask there.

 

Personally, I filed a new one on the new system.

 

 

I'd try to file again, on the new system and get through to the "Informed" success screen (In the Inform Status" box), the do a screen grab of that screen and the "Search" screen which shows individual, multiple records.

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks. I'll give feedback tomorrow on the results.

1 hour ago, Morch said:

You are just deflecting now, and avoiding the issue.

 

Hamas could have changed its stance vs. Israel, could have kept it but avoid acting on it, or whatever. Choices carry consequences. Hamas could have given Israel the motivation to ease restrictions, and generally did just the opposite. Somehow you find that this is Israel's fault.

 

You can imagine what you like, but the fact is that crippled as it might be, the West Bank economy is still in a much better shape than the Gaza Strip's. If you wish to claim there's no significant differences, you're either being obstinate, clueless or an all-or-nothing person.

 

Similar concepts apply to the Egypt side of things as well.

 

And again - even with the blockade at place, Gaza's situation could have been better had the Hamas chosen to invest less in 'resistance' and more in developing infrastructure, welfare, education and so on. Civilian stuff. Instead it invested in arms, rockets, tunnels, bunkers and took a hefty cut of everything. The choice was made to prefer 'resistance' over civilians' well being.

 

The 7/10 attack, and expected Israeli response are just another symptom of the same (I'm not getting into the domestic political angle within Hamas now, even).

 

You seem to try and paint things with Israel as the sole responsible for all that's wrong  - that's not how reality is.

With 500+ checkpoints and settlers gobbling Area C, the West Bank is heading in the direction of Gaza. Just this week, I've just heard that four Palestinian villages have been depopulated, i.e. ethnically cleansed. For the past two years settlers assisted by IDF have been attacking villages and towns. When Palestinians resist, IDF steps in to shoot them.

The Gaza economy is non-functional due to the blockade, so it's no wonder that there is high unemployment. Gazans are forced to survive on aid and need 150 trucks per day in "normal" times.

23 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Smuggling contraband is one thing. Not much in the way of volume. But the volumes and variety of material required to building a modern economy imported via tunnels? That's laughable.

 

As for the West Bank

"Areas A and B are subdivided into 166 islands with no contiguity and
surrounded by Area C, which is the only contiguous part of the West Bank. Area C is
largely inaccessible to Palestinian producers, although it is the largest area and has
the most valuable natural resources, such as fertile land, minerals, stone, tourist
attractions and ingredients for cosmetic products. The wall, together with the
settlements, deepens the economic, physical, administrative and legal fragmentation
of the occupied Palestinian territory (figure I).
10. In 1967, Israel began establishing settlements in the occupied West Bank, with
the growth of settlements in recent years bringing 70 per cent of Area C within the
boundaries of their regional councils and rendering that chunk off limits for Palestinian
use and development (figure II). Palestinian access to the remainder of Area C is
heavily restricted. The present report estimates the economic cost of the additional
restrictions on Palestinian economic activity in the remaining 30 per cent of Area C.
Those restrictions facilitate the establishment of settlements and their expansion, they
foster the setting aside of land and natural resources for settlers and create a difficult
environment which forces the Palestinian population to leave Area C."

https://unctad.org/system/files/official-document/a77d295_en.pdf

 

There's a lot more in that report.

 

 

It will be impossible to establish a Palestinian state in the West Bank without shrinking these settlements and dismantling the most egregious, such as Hebron. Settler rampages show that a lot of thought would have to go into stop them from being a danger to Palestinians. Or offending settlers would have to be banned from the West Bank; extraterritorial status of settlers should be limited so that crimes committed in the West Bank (against Palestinians) would fall under Palestinian law.

It will be a very heavy lift to achieve a viable Palestinian state.

4 hours ago, Morch said:

Where did you see JT deny Palestinians exist, have rights etc.? And what are (or whom are) 'ultra-Zionists'? 

 

If you wish to compare national narratives of the past, you'll find the same denials of rights, hatred and whatnot among those of the Palestinian side. That you focus on the Israelis doesn't mean the Palestinians were open to peace, harmony or co-existence. Newly minted countries often display a more nationalistic narrative. Nothing surprising about that.

 

The Palestinians can take charge of their lives, produce a functioning leadership and make some tough decisions. You do not wish to acknowledge the issue, hence you blame Israel alone, and refuse to admit facts.

 

 

They had a potential leader in Marwan Barghouti after the failed Oslo Accords, but he's been locked up for some time. I don't know whether he would be relevant any more, now age 64, but Mandela was locked up for 28 years and became preident at age 75. Marwan also has a very articulate cousin, Mustafa Barghouti, who is also involved in politics.

Ultra-Zionists believe that to all belongs to them, including Gaza and the West Bank, maybe Sinai, too, and part of Jordan??? No need the compensate for stolen land since it already belongs to them.

On 10/6/2023 at 5:15 PM, bamnutsak said:

Can you share any detail here?

 

Who are these "others"?

Where did you hear about their experience?

 

I did see another thread related to this potential linkage.

 

I've been searching for answer to this question, that is

 

Is everyone registered on the 'old' system required to file a TM30 on the NEW system?

 

I have not found an answer, nor have I heard (from posts here and on FB) there is a linkage between an online TM47 and a new TM30.

 

 

I registered on the new site, but have not refiled TM30s; I've the Excel sheet completed for all tenants, but have not uploaded it, yet.

 

I suspect Immigration would prefer we file on the new system - I'm sure they have no plans to migrate records from the old system to the new one. It would be great if they informed us of any policy on this matter.

 

There are one or two great threads here on the new TM30 site.

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1306628-tm30-new-website-address-for-filing-notifications-and-registration/

 

Basically

register to use the site email, pw, new pw

register the building blue book/house doc, owners thai id

file for any occupants 

 

https://tm30.immigration.go.th/TM30/Foreigner/TM30EN/Home.html

 

https://tm30.immigration.go.th/TM30/Foreigner/TM30EN/VDOGuide.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

So do we need to file TM 30 on the new system (after setting it up) if we filed in June on the old system? We tried but it stuck on "in progress" and now about a month later we can't find the filing on the new system.

On 10/14/2023 at 5:28 PM, bamnutsak said:

Some recommend using 31/12/2039, which may be the latest date which that field will accept. I used that date. Party like it's 2040.

 

I have no doubt that it works, but it appears to be a potential loophole which someone may exploit, and then we'll be jumping through a different hoop. Or maybe maybe someone will be verifying the supporting documents?

 

 

 

Note that some offices apparently process on-line 90-day reports automatically and give an instantaneous approval. 

I put the expiration date of extension of stay.

Now another problem: We took a screenshot when listing me was "in progress" back in September, concerning a reentry last June. We did do a report on the old online system and took a screenshot of that file. Now we are trying to access the report on the new system, but it seems to allow asking to search for filings for previous seven days only. If we do that, there is "no data".

Does the "in progress" leave the possibility that the filing failed? Since I have to do annual extension next week, what to do?