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3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Very dishonest not to credit your post to AI. Its a 100% match

 

https://gptzero.me/

You are disingenuous or ignorant of how AI works. It pulls text from sources. Maybe the poster got that from the original source.

14 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Gaza was the location under discussion , The West bank isn't the topic under discussion 

Another diversion.

16 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You do like to erroneously accuse people of lying .

The Arabs did indeed get independence as promised . The British and French withdrew from Arabia as promised 

Britain & France did not occupy Arabia. Why are you creating fake factoids? The British promised independence for Palestine in return for the Arab resistance against the Turks.

On 5/1/2024 at 9:11 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Thanks for your concern , but if I want to learn about the Lavender programme , then I can find the info myself by doing a websearch , thanks

   BTW , are you a teacher ?

https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/

@Presto and I have posted this link. Anyone who wants to understand the depth of IDF war crimes whould read this lengthy link. From this evidence it's not surprising that the ICC is rumored to be preparing indictments of IDF figures.

On 5/1/2024 at 6:39 PM, Bkk Brian said:

I didn't even hint that you may be a Hamas supporter. Having Al Jazeera as your go to is all I need to know.

 

Yes plenty of proof, even has its own topic on it on this forum.

 

Al Jazeera journalist reportedly moonlights as Hamas commander claims IDF

https://aseannow.com/topic/1319746-al-jazeera-journalist-reportedly-moonlights-as-hamas-commander-claims-idf

 

More after that if you want to see more.

 

More propaganda from the IDF.

On 5/1/2024 at 5:38 PM, Bkk Brian said:

Are you sure the encampments are teach ins? 

 

 

Yes the encampments are teach-ins for students who have seen the horrors on social media, but don't know the background since 1880. They can learn what "settler colonial project" means.

Why do you reference Eretz Neheret, the ultra Orthodox IDF unit that the US might eventually sanction for war crimes?

On 5/1/2024 at 5:23 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    The Qatari person who said it was : Essa Al-Nassr, member of the Gulf state’s legislative body and a brigadier general at the Emiri Guard , he DOES represent Qatar and that is 
Qatars stance against Jewish Israelis and Qatar supports Hamas and Al=Jazeera .

   They are very biased towards Hamas , 100 % biased 

People say things. Wait for a declaration from the Emir. Al Jazeera is based in Qatar and funded by the Qatari government. The English branch has excellent discussion programs led by British and American journalists, plus good documentaries spanning the world.

On 5/1/2024 at 4:15 PM, stevenl said:

In California the occupations are continuing.

 

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-04-30/ucla-moves-to-shut-down-pro-palestinian-encampment-as-unlawful

I just saw Peter Eliasberg, Chief Counsel of the ACLU (Southern CA), on the BBC concerning the circumstances around the university decision to shut down the UCLA protest. He remarked that police were present and did nothing when a group of, in his words, thugs violently attacked the protest site.

He said that the university could not use that violence as a pretext to declare the protest unlawful, because there is a legal concept called heckler's veto.

"A heckler's veto is a situation in which a party who disagrees with a speaker's message is able to unilaterally trigger events that result in the speaker being silenced."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler's_veto

Interestingly, the ACLU of Michigan in a friend-of-the-court brief aided a successful appeal of the case of a group of evangelicals who staged an obnoxious march in Dearborn during the 2012 Arab International Festival and whom the police ordered to cease and desist due to their "incitement".

https://www.aclumich.org/en/cases/hecklers-veto

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Free Palestine -- cool.

Free Palestine River to the Sea -- favoring genocide of Jews.

(Palestinians) Actually on the ground where Jews were settled after WW2? Not sure exactly what you're saying but on the face of it sounds like an extremely radical anti existence of Israel position. 

Two state solution -- MUCH further away from any realistic possibility after October 7. For basic common sense reasons there is now basically NO TRUST at all on either side towards the other side.

Palestinians and Israelis are to live in peace? What does that even mean? Are you going to order them to do that? Are you going to impose two states on both sides when they don't even want it?

As with so many half baked posts here -- the naivete or worse is stunning.

For some years many have been saying that the two-state solution is dead. Certainly the Oslo agreement has been so abused by Israeli that it is dead. It is also clear that Israelis will not voluntarily change their ways, so a one-state solution cannot happen before the Greater Israel plan is achieved, namely the removal of masses of Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank and the indefinite continuation of Apartheid.

Consequently, now there is a lot of talk again about the two-state solution, and this will be accepted by the Palestinians if it achieves the clearing of most of the 750,000 illiegal settlers from the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Israelis will have to go through a radical change in mindset. Reputation is important, and Israeli is rapidly gaining pariah status in the eyes of the world. Israelis will need to control the extremist elements in their society to prevent sabotage of the peace, as happened with the mass murder in the Ibrahimi Mosque in 1995 and the assassination of Rabin. For the world, two-states is the only option beyond calamity.

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The students are not going to vote for Trump anyway, but the growing protests in the US, being led by Ivy League university students should see Biden stressing about the youth vote slip, slip, slidin' away. Could be the difference between winning and losing swing states.

While they won't vote for Trump, they could stay home or vote independent.

Maybe the White House hopes that after the students (hopefully) go home for the summer that things will calm down, except for the Democratic Convention in, where else?, Chicago. Remember 1968?

While planners may have a holding pen for demonstrators out of sight of the convention hall, the demonstrations will be all over social media expressing their disdain for Biden.

4 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Leftist biased propaganda is not evidence. 18 % of Israeli residents are Arabs with full equal rights, more than in many Muslim countries, especially for woman and gays. Israel is NOT an apartheid state the very suggestion is laughable.

That's what Israel would have us believe.

35 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

Here :

 

Al-Nassr was not satisfied with these comments alone, as he went on in his speech to commend the “Flood of Al-Aqsa operation” (Hamas’s name for the October 7th massacre), claiming that this was only a “prelude to the annihilation of the corruption of the ‘second Zionist entity’ upon eath.”  

He then referred to a presumably Godly promise for the ingathering of Jews in the land of Palestine as preparation for the ‘battle of the next generation,’ which according to Al-Nassr, would bring an end to the Jewish state.

 

 

 

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/qatari-official-jews-are-murderers-of-prophets-october-7th-is-only-a-prelude-798358

 

 

 

 

Israel said that they were going to ban al-Jazeera. The J Post diatribe against Qatar is predicated on a person who doesn't represent Qatar. Would anyone take this seriously? Yes, the J Post for its own motivations.

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

Not teachins, but propaganda dissemination events where one revisionist version of history is given. A version that ignores the actual history of the place such as the Ottoman empire having ruled for centuries and that there being no actual palestinian nation o, nor a Lebanon or Saudi Arabia or Jordan, but there was a specific department for what we today know as israel which was attached administratively to the province of Damascus and ruled from Istanbul. The revisionists blame European colonial powers, but really what exists is the remnants of the Ottoman Empire.

This is in response to my comment: "The encampments are teach-ins so that those who are appalled by the Gaza War can learn the historical background, etc." Speaking of historical revisionism, the whole Zionist trope was "A land without people for a people without land." In fact, the people of Palestine were there for millennia. 

A significant point is that the British and French divided up this part of the Middle East, and that the British made promises to the Arabs on site and to Jews in the UK regarding the destiny of Palestine. During the 30s a certain Christian Zionist in the Palestine administration helped train Jewish militias that later did ethnic cleansing when the British left. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orde_Wingate

47 minutes ago, proton said:

There is no evidence for either of these hysterical claims

This you said in response to @pegman: "

You can read numerous reports about Apartheid in Israel here: https://www.amnesty.org/en/search/apartheid in israel/

Attached is Amnesty's 277 page report (pdf) can be accessed at this link: https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/5141/2022/en/

Human Rights Watch also has a report: https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution

44 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Al-Jazeera are owned by Qatar , Qatar who support Hamas and support the ethnic cleansing of Jews . 

   A biased news source 

DO you have a link regarding the ethnic cleansing claim?

39 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 ^ A blog from last year with someone calling for something 

 

 Blogs are not an allowable news source on these forums .

Also, people "calling for" things isn't even news worthy .

 

Middle East Eye does not seem to be a blog. Here is the media bias / fact check evaluation: HIGH CREDIBILITY. Left-center bias.

 https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/middle-east-eye/

People "calling for" annihilation is incitement, and is part of the genocide investigation at the ICJ. So in this case, it's not Netanyahu, Pres Herzog, Galland, Ben Gvir, or Smotrich. It's the deputy mayor of Jerusalem. It just shows that incitement is also occurring at lower levels of the bureaucracy. That can strengthen the case at the ICJ.

39 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Egypt and Qatar are fed up with Hamas. Israel has offered all sorts of concessions and still Hamas won't agree to a ceasefire by releasing the hostages. Ask yourself what justification Hamas has to prolong the war and to hold non combatant hostages under horrific conditions. Hamas wants and needs the war to continue. Iran needs and wants this war to continue. Every country involved in trying to negotiate an end to the war knows that Hamas is intentionally prolonging the war. Why do you think the Arab countries are really not putting pressure on Israel? Even Turkey is keeping cool and Erdogan despises israel. The entire diplomatic world knows that Hamas has been told to keep the war going. The $200million paid by Iran to Hamas leadership has to be earned.

Netanyahu needs the war to continue, and he seems willing to cross Biden's red lines to do so.

3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Oh the head hackers the POTUS lied about? Come on man, don't believe the US Propaganda. This war is not based on reason, it due to the religion of those running the USA. The President, whose grandkids are Jewish, Secretary of State is Jewish, in fact there is an unproportionately high  number of Jews in Senate/Government and an unproportionately low number of Muslims. Both religious groups are around 2% of the population, but many Muslims are not counted in the pop figures. Jews in Senate, 9% and in top positions, Muslims 1%. 

Can't you see why these intelligent youngsters in the US are protesting? 

The Republicans are in the thrall of (if not themselves) Christians Zionists who are less interested in human rights or the Ten Commandments than seeing that Israel totally occupies historic Palestine so that the Revelations prophesy can be realized and they can go to their Heaven while the rest, including Jews, burn. Look up CUFI in Google.

It is true that Biden and others seem to think that Israel's interests are synonomous with US interests. Some day soon I hope that many Israelis will realize that Fortress Zion is not viable in the long run, and that they should follow the promise of their Declaration of Independence and have a constitution granting equal rights to all. Maybe then future US administrations can treat Israel like any other democratic nation.

The US political system with a revolving door between pro-israel think tanks and staff positions in Congress and in the White House has led to policy capture. This explains notable internal protests in the Administration and resignations from State & Defense over the Administration's handling of the Gaza War.

3 hours ago, Walker88 said:

The topic is their protest and the violence in which they are engaging. I seriously doubt many have much of an understanding of the Middle East issue, and I do not think their primary concern is for the innocent Gaza residents being killed. It's more...did you see my latest TikTok or Facebook post? Neither do I think harassing other students simply because they are Jewish is an effective means of protest. It is simply racism, nothing less.

 

Peaceful protests are fine. Smashing windows, taking over buildings, and harassing Jewish students in not fine.

 

Engaging in violence neither solves anything nor wins any hearts and minds. Protests are not going to stop the carnage in Gaza, nor will it get any hostages released, nor will it solve the issue of Hamas terrorism. Hamas leaders live a life of luxury in Doha (and were supported by Netanyahu, because 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend---the 'enemy' being a Two State Solution) the Hamas terrorist who carried out 7 October are proud of their rapes and murders, Netanyahu is not going to stop West Bank settlement building...so the violence in the protests is achieving what (other than having classes go online and likely final exams postponed)?

 

No, I'm not Jewish. Yes, I lived in Israel. Yes, I lived in several Middle East nations. I speak, read and write Arabic. I know the issue (from study and living) going back to the early days of Zionism, through Deir Yassin, through the '67 war, the '73 war, Camp David, the Oslo Accords, all the way through to today. I'm not a fan of the hardliners on any side.

The encampments are teach-ins so that those who are appalled by the Gaza War can learn the historical background, etc.

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Yes.

 

If you can't even keep your immediate surroundings neat and tidy, what right do you expect to have to voice concerns over larger and more important issues? Nobody will listen to you, and why should they.

 

People have been dying in Gaza since October. Yet the 'protesters' waited until the balmy days of spring to start protesting. 

It's only the encampment that started April 17th after Minouche's pitiful performance before Congress. Before that they were doing standing protests.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Yes they should be much tougher on faculty than students.

The dominant message of these campers is that Israel shouldn't be allowed to exist.

Right in line with Hamas and Iran and without any doubt infected with Jew hatred.

It's sad to hear you claim that this is a matter of Israel not being allowed to exist. That's quite a polar view. JVP has been advocating the one state solution with equal rights for all. That means the end of apartheid.

The Israel Declaration of Independence said:

"WE DECLARE that, with effect from the moment of the termination of the Mandate being tonight, the eve of Sabbath, the 6th Iyar, 5708 (15th May, 1948), until the establishment of the elected, regular authorities of the State in accordance with the Constitution which shall be adopted by the Elected Constituent Assembly not later than the 1st October 1948, the People's Council shall act as a Provisional Council of State, and its executive organ, the People's Administration, shall be the Provisional Government of the Jewish State, to be called "Israel".

THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations."

 

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Yes.

 

If you can't even keep your immediate surroundings neat and tidy, what right do you expect to have to voice concerns over larger and more important issues? Nobody will listen to you, and why should they.

 

People have been dying in Gaza since October. Yet the 'protesters' waited until the balmy days of spring to start protesting. 

It's only the encampment that started April 17th after Minouche's pitiful performance before Congress. Before that they were doing standing protests.

2 hours ago, Walker88 said:

The topic is their protest and the violence in which they are engaging. I seriously doubt many have much of an understanding of the Middle East issue, and I do not think their primary concern is for the innocent Gaza residents being killed. It's more...did you see my latest TikTok or Facebook post? Neither do I think harassing other students simply because they are Jewish is an effective means of protest. It is simply racism, nothing less.

 

Peaceful protests are fine. Smashing windows, taking over buildings, and harassing Jewish students in not fine.

 

Engaging in violence neither solves anything nor wins any hearts and minds. Protests are not going to stop the carnage in Gaza, nor will it get any hostages released, nor will it solve the issue of Hamas terrorism. Hamas leaders live a life of luxury in Doha (and were supported by Netanyahu, because 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend---the 'enemy' being a Two State Solution) the Hamas terrorist who carried out 7 October are proud of their rapes and murders, Netanyahu is not going to stop West Bank settlement building...so the violence in the protests is achieving what (other than having classes go online and likely final exams postponed)?

 

No, I'm not Jewish. Yes, I lived in Israel. Yes, I lived in several Middle East nations. I speak, read and write Arabic. I know the issue (from study and living) going back to the early days of Zionism, through Deir Yassin, through the '67 war, the '73 war, Camp David, the Oslo Accords, all the way through to today. I'm not a fan of the hardliners on any side.

The encampments are teach-ins so that those who are appalled by the Gaza War can learn the historical background, etc.