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47 minutes ago, proton said:

There is no evidence for either of these hysterical claims

This you said in response to @pegman: "

You can read numerous reports about Apartheid in Israel here: https://www.amnesty.org/en/search/apartheid in israel/

Attached is Amnesty's 277 page report (pdf) can be accessed at this link: https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/5141/2022/en/

Human Rights Watch also has a report: https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution

44 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Al-Jazeera are owned by Qatar , Qatar who support Hamas and support the ethnic cleansing of Jews . 

   A biased news source 

DO you have a link regarding the ethnic cleansing claim?

39 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 ^ A blog from last year with someone calling for something 

 

 Blogs are not an allowable news source on these forums .

Also, people "calling for" things isn't even news worthy .

 

Middle East Eye does not seem to be a blog. Here is the media bias / fact check evaluation: HIGH CREDIBILITY. Left-center bias.

 https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/middle-east-eye/

People "calling for" annihilation is incitement, and is part of the genocide investigation at the ICJ. So in this case, it's not Netanyahu, Pres Herzog, Galland, Ben Gvir, or Smotrich. It's the deputy mayor of Jerusalem. It just shows that incitement is also occurring at lower levels of the bureaucracy. That can strengthen the case at the ICJ.

39 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Egypt and Qatar are fed up with Hamas. Israel has offered all sorts of concessions and still Hamas won't agree to a ceasefire by releasing the hostages. Ask yourself what justification Hamas has to prolong the war and to hold non combatant hostages under horrific conditions. Hamas wants and needs the war to continue. Iran needs and wants this war to continue. Every country involved in trying to negotiate an end to the war knows that Hamas is intentionally prolonging the war. Why do you think the Arab countries are really not putting pressure on Israel? Even Turkey is keeping cool and Erdogan despises israel. The entire diplomatic world knows that Hamas has been told to keep the war going. The $200million paid by Iran to Hamas leadership has to be earned.

Netanyahu needs the war to continue, and he seems willing to cross Biden's red lines to do so.

3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Oh the head hackers the POTUS lied about? Come on man, don't believe the US Propaganda. This war is not based on reason, it due to the religion of those running the USA. The President, whose grandkids are Jewish, Secretary of State is Jewish, in fact there is an unproportionately high  number of Jews in Senate/Government and an unproportionately low number of Muslims. Both religious groups are around 2% of the population, but many Muslims are not counted in the pop figures. Jews in Senate, 9% and in top positions, Muslims 1%. 

Can't you see why these intelligent youngsters in the US are protesting? 

The Republicans are in the thrall of (if not themselves) Christians Zionists who are less interested in human rights or the Ten Commandments than seeing that Israel totally occupies historic Palestine so that the Revelations prophesy can be realized and they can go to their Heaven while the rest, including Jews, burn. Look up CUFI in Google.

It is true that Biden and others seem to think that Israel's interests are synonomous with US interests. Some day soon I hope that many Israelis will realize that Fortress Zion is not viable in the long run, and that they should follow the promise of their Declaration of Independence and have a constitution granting equal rights to all. Maybe then future US administrations can treat Israel like any other democratic nation.

The US political system with a revolving door between pro-israel think tanks and staff positions in Congress and in the White House has led to policy capture. This explains notable internal protests in the Administration and resignations from State & Defense over the Administration's handling of the Gaza War.

3 hours ago, Walker88 said:

The topic is their protest and the violence in which they are engaging. I seriously doubt many have much of an understanding of the Middle East issue, and I do not think their primary concern is for the innocent Gaza residents being killed. It's more...did you see my latest TikTok or Facebook post? Neither do I think harassing other students simply because they are Jewish is an effective means of protest. It is simply racism, nothing less.

 

Peaceful protests are fine. Smashing windows, taking over buildings, and harassing Jewish students in not fine.

 

Engaging in violence neither solves anything nor wins any hearts and minds. Protests are not going to stop the carnage in Gaza, nor will it get any hostages released, nor will it solve the issue of Hamas terrorism. Hamas leaders live a life of luxury in Doha (and were supported by Netanyahu, because 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend---the 'enemy' being a Two State Solution) the Hamas terrorist who carried out 7 October are proud of their rapes and murders, Netanyahu is not going to stop West Bank settlement building...so the violence in the protests is achieving what (other than having classes go online and likely final exams postponed)?

 

No, I'm not Jewish. Yes, I lived in Israel. Yes, I lived in several Middle East nations. I speak, read and write Arabic. I know the issue (from study and living) going back to the early days of Zionism, through Deir Yassin, through the '67 war, the '73 war, Camp David, the Oslo Accords, all the way through to today. I'm not a fan of the hardliners on any side.

The encampments are teach-ins so that those who are appalled by the Gaza War can learn the historical background, etc.

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Yes.

 

If you can't even keep your immediate surroundings neat and tidy, what right do you expect to have to voice concerns over larger and more important issues? Nobody will listen to you, and why should they.

 

People have been dying in Gaza since October. Yet the 'protesters' waited until the balmy days of spring to start protesting. 

It's only the encampment that started April 17th after Minouche's pitiful performance before Congress. Before that they were doing standing protests.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Yes they should be much tougher on faculty than students.

The dominant message of these campers is that Israel shouldn't be allowed to exist.

Right in line with Hamas and Iran and without any doubt infected with Jew hatred.

It's sad to hear you claim that this is a matter of Israel not being allowed to exist. That's quite a polar view. JVP has been advocating the one state solution with equal rights for all. That means the end of apartheid.

The Israel Declaration of Independence said:

"WE DECLARE that, with effect from the moment of the termination of the Mandate being tonight, the eve of Sabbath, the 6th Iyar, 5708 (15th May, 1948), until the establishment of the elected, regular authorities of the State in accordance with the Constitution which shall be adopted by the Elected Constituent Assembly not later than the 1st October 1948, the People's Council shall act as a Provisional Council of State, and its executive organ, the People's Administration, shall be the Provisional Government of the Jewish State, to be called "Israel".

THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations."

 

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Yes.

 

If you can't even keep your immediate surroundings neat and tidy, what right do you expect to have to voice concerns over larger and more important issues? Nobody will listen to you, and why should they.

 

People have been dying in Gaza since October. Yet the 'protesters' waited until the balmy days of spring to start protesting. 

It's only the encampment that started April 17th after Minouche's pitiful performance before Congress. Before that they were doing standing protests.

2 hours ago, Walker88 said:

The topic is their protest and the violence in which they are engaging. I seriously doubt many have much of an understanding of the Middle East issue, and I do not think their primary concern is for the innocent Gaza residents being killed. It's more...did you see my latest TikTok or Facebook post? Neither do I think harassing other students simply because they are Jewish is an effective means of protest. It is simply racism, nothing less.

 

Peaceful protests are fine. Smashing windows, taking over buildings, and harassing Jewish students in not fine.

 

Engaging in violence neither solves anything nor wins any hearts and minds. Protests are not going to stop the carnage in Gaza, nor will it get any hostages released, nor will it solve the issue of Hamas terrorism. Hamas leaders live a life of luxury in Doha (and were supported by Netanyahu, because 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend---the 'enemy' being a Two State Solution) the Hamas terrorist who carried out 7 October are proud of their rapes and murders, Netanyahu is not going to stop West Bank settlement building...so the violence in the protests is achieving what (other than having classes go online and likely final exams postponed)?

 

No, I'm not Jewish. Yes, I lived in Israel. Yes, I lived in several Middle East nations. I speak, read and write Arabic. I know the issue (from study and living) going back to the early days of Zionism, through Deir Yassin, through the '67 war, the '73 war, Camp David, the Oslo Accords, all the way through to today. I'm not a fan of the hardliners on any side.

The encampments are teach-ins so that those who are appalled by the Gaza War can learn the historical background, etc.

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Yes.

 

If you can't even keep your immediate surroundings neat and tidy, what right do you expect to have to voice concerns over larger and more important issues? Nobody will listen to you, and why should they.

 

People have been dying in Gaza since October. Yet the 'protesters' waited until the balmy days of spring to start protesting. 

It's only the encampment that started April 17th after Minouche's pitiful performance before Congress. Before that they were doing standing protests.

2 hours ago, Walker88 said:

The topic is their protest and the violence in which they are engaging. I seriously doubt many have much of an understanding of the Middle East issue, and I do not think their primary concern is for the innocent Gaza residents being killed. It's more...did you see my latest TikTok or Facebook post? Neither do I think harassing other students simply because they are Jewish is an effective means of protest. It is simply racism, nothing less.

 

Peaceful protests are fine. Smashing windows, taking over buildings, and harassing Jewish students in not fine.

 

Engaging in violence neither solves anything nor wins any hearts and minds. Protests are not going to stop the carnage in Gaza, nor will it get any hostages released, nor will it solve the issue of Hamas terrorism. Hamas leaders live a life of luxury in Doha (and were supported by Netanyahu, because 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend---the 'enemy' being a Two State Solution) the Hamas terrorist who carried out 7 October are proud of their rapes and murders, Netanyahu is not going to stop West Bank settlement building...so the violence in the protests is achieving what (other than having classes go online and likely final exams postponed)?

 

No, I'm not Jewish. Yes, I lived in Israel. Yes, I lived in several Middle East nations. I speak, read and write Arabic. I know the issue (from study and living) going back to the early days of Zionism, through Deir Yassin, through the '67 war, the '73 war, Camp David, the Oslo Accords, all the way through to today. I'm not a fan of the hardliners on any side.

The encampments are teach-ins so that those who are appalled by the Gaza War can learn the historical background, etc.

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Yes.

 

If you can't even keep your immediate surroundings neat and tidy, what right do you expect to have to voice concerns over larger and more important issues? Nobody will listen to you, and why should they.

 

People have been dying in Gaza since October. Yet the 'protesters' waited until the balmy days of spring to start protesting. 

It's only the encampment that started April 17th after Minouche's pitiful performance before Congress. Before that they were doing standing protests.

7 hours ago, arick said:

Contact the owner of the condo and get one from them

Regarding original post, if the agent is actually filing a TM30, the agent must have a "captive" landlord purporting to be housing the TM30 applicant. The client should require a receipt of notification which will show the fake address where applicant is registered, since the online notification form shows the address where the applicant is purportedly staying. Maybe they could then file another TM form to move to where they really live and dump the agent???

Another possibility would be for the person in question to first stay at a hotal when coming back to the country, then sign up to do a TM30 and file when getting to their real home in Thailand. Perhaps @DrJack54 could comment on this. 

On 4/29/2024 at 7:38 AM, radiochaser said:

 

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Western politicians should stop pretending that extremism and terrorism have nothing to do with Islam. There is a clear relationship between fundamentalism, terrorism, and the basic assumptions of Islamic orthodoxy. So long as we lack consensus regarding this matter, we cannot gain victory over fundamentalist violence within Islam.

Radical Islamic movements are nothing new. They’ve appeared again and again throughout our own history in Indonesia. The West must stop ascribing any and all discussion of these issues to “Islamophobia.” Or do people want to accuse me — an Islamic scholar — of being an Islamophobe too?"

https://time.com/4930742/islam-terrorism-islamophobia-violence/

It's good to remember that all three Abrahamic religions can birth terrorists, even state terrorism.

It would make sense for these religions to deal with extremism internally.

On 4/27/2024 at 10:43 PM, fvw53 said:

According to Shlomo Sand, professor history at Tel Aviv University,  after the Roman Empire strenghtend its grip on Palestine, the local population largely converted gradually to Christianity and after being conquered by the Ottoman Empire their descendants largely converted to Islam.

The six million Palestinians did not come from a spaceship

I wonder about this. The Roman Empire didn't go Christian until around the 4th Century, then Islam arrived in the 7th. Afterwards some areas were retaken by Crusaders periodically, so how does it make sense that from the 16th Century the Ottoman Empire played a role in converting Palestinians to Islam. Those who were going to convert had already done so from the 7th Century on. Additional conversions from Christianity probably took place over the centuries from intermarriage.

12 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Been watching the university protests in the US on Al Jazeera. When the college authorities call in cops in full riot gear with clubs to disperse peaceful students one knows that something is very wrong.

Ultimately the cops are on the wrong side IMO, supporting authorities on the side of genocide.

Many students arrested, but apparently the charges thrown out in court as the protests are legal.

This is IMO a direct descendant of the anti Vietnam war, anti apartheid protests that ended both, and hopefully ends the illegal occupation of Palestine  and the illegal collective punishment of Palestinians.

 

IMO it's not going to end well for the college authorities, as it's not just students, but also faculty protesting and the images of cops in full riot gear with clubs pushing non violent students around are being broadcast all over the US. The images of the atrocities happening in Gaza are being seen all over the world and more and more people are realising who the criminals are in that area, so more and more people will support the protests. Eventually, as with the anti Vietnam war protests, the protests will become so large that the government can't ignore them any more. If Biden doesn't feel his chances of winning in November are threatened, he should be. He is IMO obviously complicit in israeli atrocities, so the protests will likely focus on him, come the election.

 

If the students keep coming back day after day, it's going to become very difficult for the cops to keep descending in the hundreds to deal with them- they do have other responsibilities to deal with, like catching actual criminals.

The cops better hope that it doesn't get violent as the images of heavily armed cops beating up students will be beamed into every house in the US. That never plays well with the tax paying voters.

Some 47 professors of the Columbia Law School sent a letter to Columbia president Shafik pointing out that the actions directed by her against those students violated the rule of law guaranteeing free speech. Shafik was previously dean of the Law School.

I guess that Biden et al hope that when the semester is over in a month or less, the students will go home and not make any trouble at the Democratic Convention! 

13 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

I would like to see the evidence of that claim. The pollsters questions will be interesting.

The question was more like whether they supported the war, not whether they were in favor of genocide. Anyway, unless Israelis listened to the proceedings of the ICJ, they may not see the big picture.

6 hours ago, transam said:

I don't understand your first 2 lines, sorry.

 

In your last para, I don't think you understand the point I have been trying to make, but you are right that servicemen do as they are told, by who ever controls them. Same in the Gaza war...

Actually, in the IDF more initiative is allowed to lower ranks than in other armies.

5 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

You mean the free speech where Jewish students are told "Go back to Poland!" or "go back to Belarus!"?  Gee, wonder what would happen if a group of white supremacists were to shout "go back to Africa" at black students...

 

Or the protests where the protestors trespass on the university's common areas and block their fellow students from going to class? Surely that is a free speech violation also.

 

The irony is that they are protesting against something that isn't happening. There is no genocide in Gaza, unless you mean the genocide that Hamas promises will happen if they ever get the chance to invade Israel. We saw a small taste of it on October 7. Teenage girls gang raped beside the mutilated corpses of their murdered boyfriends. Senior citizens shot and burned in their basements. Women raped and then taken back to Gaza as 'war prizes', and paraded through the streets to cheers and dancing, then spat on and dismembered.

Please show a link that offers some evidence of "October 7. Teenage girls gang raped beside the mutilated corpses of their murdered boyfriends." or any of the rest of your allegations.

12 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Al Jazeera the terrorist employers who take there reports directly from Hamas authorities and distribute them with glee. Forgetting to mention that Nasser Hospital is where 30 of the hostages were held and where mass graves were there before the IDF entered, there is even video of the Palestinians digging it before. The IDF did sift through much of it looking for hostage bodies.

 

 

 

GeoConfirmed ISR-PAL Investigation. Palestinians are exhuming bodies from the grounds of the Nasser Medical Complex hospital complex in Khan Younis, Gaza. This is occurring at the same location where mass graves were dug and burial ceremonies had taken place by Palestinians in recent months. (Proof in this thread)

 

Claims that "mass graves" were dug by Israel at Gaza hospitals to bury "hundreds of bodies" have been disproven.

Palestinians themselves buried bodies there long before the IDF entered the area. The evidence is in the thread below.

This is a lie. A blood libel. 

 

“Misinformation is circulating regarding a mass grave that was discovered at Nasser Hospital in Khan Yunis. The grave in question was dug — by Gazans — a few months ago,” Israeli army spokesman Major Nadav Shoshani wrote on X, formerly Twitter. “This fact is corroborated by social media documentation uploaded by Gazans at the time of the burial, as seen in the video below.”

“Any attempt to blame Israel for burying civilians in mass graves is categorically false and a mere example of a disinformation campaign aimed at delegitimizing Israel,” Shoshani added.

 

Then Israel should not impede an international forensic investigation, so that the IDF can be exhonorated.

On 4/22/2024 at 10:10 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That is in the West Bank and there's not a war there , therefore nothing there can be a war crime .

But even saying that , violence isn't a war crime anyway .

   Settler violence isn't  a war crime because the actual act of violence  isn't a war crime and there's no war in the West bank .

   If you still claim to have links to war crimes that are being turned down then post those links in the Israel at war thread , they would be on topic in that thread . 

   BTW, do you know what a war crime is ?

Do you think that a war crime is a crime committed during a war ?

If you think that , then it isn't 

You are just ignorant of the law. The occupation of the West Bank is an ongoing war crime, particularly the settlements and the actions of the rapacious settlers.

On 4/22/2024 at 10:10 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That is in the West Bank and there's not a war there , therefore nothing there can be a war crime .

But even saying that , violence isn't a war crime anyway .

   Settler violence isn't  a war crime because the actual act of violence  isn't a war crime and there's no war in the West bank .

   If you still claim to have links to war crimes that are being turned down then post those links in the Israel at war thread , they would be on topic in that thread . 

   BTW, do you know what a war crime is ?

Do you think that a war crime is a crime committed during a war ?

If you think that , then it isn't 

The settlements, their establishment, their existence, is a war crime:

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/03/09/expanding-israeli-settlements-a-war-crime-according-to-the-un_6600051_4.html#

https://www.amnestyusa.org/updates/lets-be-clear-israels-long-running-settlement-policy-constitutes-a-war-crime/

On 4/25/2024 at 3:51 PM, transam said:

In every war civilians are caught up in it, my own mother was, bombed out of 2 houses by the Germans in London.

There is no way a war can be conducted without civilian casualties, look at Putin's war, now he IS targetting civilian infrastructure, 100%, not much being said about that...

 

At least in the Ukraine case the ICC has already charged Putin.

44 minutes ago, transam said:

That is evading the question.

You are running down Israel for trying to win its war, yet you were in the RAF doing what you were told, which may have been attacking populated targets to get the job done.....

 

The blokes in the Israeli air force are doing the same thing, what they are told to do.

WWII, most of Europe, N.Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, whatever, there were civilian casualties to win against aggression..

 

You cannot tell me any different...🤔

What is difference is proportionality. The US for example in Afghanistan made an effort to avoid civilian casualties. In recent times there have not been civilian bombing casualties on the level of the current war on Gaza. There are rules in war, and Israel is before the ICJ for violating these rules.

2 hours ago, transam said:

Did your R.A.F. do the same to stop an aggressor, the military branch you signed up for.....?   🤔  Yes or No....

The RAF did bad things to Dresden in WW2. After that war the Geneva Conventions were agreed, including by Israel, not to harm civilians. Now Israel is on trial.