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8 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:My point being that 30 000 woman and children haven't been killed .
If you are claiming that they have been, then its you who is denying the truth
The 30 000 figure is all inclusive .
Hamas haven't given a figure for who the 30 000 people were .
Its 30 000 people in total and that also includes the 500 people killed in the Hamas misfiring rocket on the hospital
This sounds pretty hysterical to me. You repeatedly have conflated a 13000 bodycount figure of Hama deaths claimed by Netanyahu with the Gaza Health Ministry figures now around 32000, which greatly understates the death toll since many people are buried under collapsed buildings, and the missing are not counted among the 32000. In the near future we may have many dying, especially children, from starvation, as well.
The 13000 bodycount is propaganda, possibly collated from IDF reports of "kills". Do these "kills" include people said to be Hamas shot in hospital beds and the summary executions discovered in a mass grave at Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis? Those who died in hospital beds might be in the Health Ministry register since their identity was probably known, so there could be a small overlap between IDF bodycount and figures reported by hospitals.
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2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:You are posting untrue things , misinformation .
Your second sentence is completely wrong .
30 000 Palestinians have supposedly died in total , that figure includes 13 000 Hamas terrorists and those killed by Hamas friendly fire .
30 000 is the total deaths , terrorists included in that figure
You are the one trying to deny the truth. The claim of 13000 Hamas killed is just a body count. How many might be included in the 32000 registered fatalities is conjectural. Some overlap could have occurred. For example, the summary executions just discovered in a mass grave at the Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis might reasonably be expected to be added to the 13000 already claimed, but if identifiable they could also be included in registered fatalities.
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10 hours ago, Jingthing said:Isreal started the war in 48?
Go back to school.
It depends how you look at it. Back then the Palestinians were pretty defenseless against the Zionist militias committing atrocities. Why shouldn't the Arabs have come to their aid?
Moshe Dayan and others from the Haganah militia were trained by Orde Wingate, a Christian Zionist British intelligence officer the late 30s. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Night_Squads :
"The military historian Hew Strachan has described the tactics Wingate employed as a form of state terrorism,[5] and its mode of operation eventually to lead to allegations that Wingate had effectively organized these nights squads into Jewish 'murder gangs' or 'death squads'.[6][5] According to Israeli military historian Martin van Creveld, their training included "how to kill without compunction, how to interrogate prisoners by shooting every tenth man to make the rest talk;"
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22 hours ago, worgeordie said:
It could be draining back into supply side if you don"t have a one way valve on it
and also if water pressure is not high enough , if you dont see a leak anywhere ,that could be the problem.
regards worgeordie
A one-way valve is also called a check valve.
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23 hours ago, Hummin said:
You will not manage to go through their fixed idea IDF and the ultra-orthodox Netzah Yehuda Battalion have committed crimes for years, but they deny it because lack of trustworthy credible sources. Human right organizations, Un, Unicef is all biased, and today we see many credible newspapers refer to Usa sanctions based on the very same accusations.
There is no way any sane government want to continue support such a terror regime like Israel, without being viewed in the same category as Iran and alike
Good luck
Yes, the crimes for which the US is sanctioning them were committed in 2022 or before.
When crimes are caught on video, so that the IDF cannot ignore them, they say that they will investigate, but there is no news of any investigation afterwards. Even the 2022 notorious murder of Shireen Abu Akleh, a Palestinian-American journalist, which was first obfuscated by the IDF but was soon called out by various news media and looked into by the FBI, the sniper group identified was not held to account, even by the timid Biden administration.
The current prospect of having even more ultra-Orthodox soldiers being forced to serve in the IDF does not bode well for Palestinian lives.
This can only change if the Zionist bubble is popped and Israelis are forced to confront the horror of their national crimes, starting even before the creation of the Zionist state. It might be a bit like the scene in Clockwork Orange, perhaps.
In this scene the character was forced to watch a film with Beethoven's Ninth Symphony as the sound in a type of aversion therapy (satire).
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On 4/17/2024 at 3:56 PM, Nick Carter icp said:
Another thing that is untrue , you keep making claims that are untrue .
I wont bother asking you to name those war crimes, because uou wont be able to and you',ll probably just make another false claims
Regarding the application of the Hannibal Doctrine on October 7th, this wiki gives some information:
There are reports in Israeli media:
Just now it's being reported on BBC, etc that the US is putting sanctions on an IDF unit, the Netzah Yehuda battalion, which has been under investigation for activities in the West Bank before October 7th. Sometime after October 7th it was transferred to Gaza. So US aid cannot be allocated to this unit.
Other IDF and police units are under investigation:
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On 4/20/2024 at 4:18 PM, Nick Carter icp said:
Jordon and some Gulf states side with Israel more than they do Iran .
Iran wants to spread their Religious ideology throughout the Middle East and Israel doesn't want to expand their ideology , that's why Some Gulf state's side with Israel over Iran
Not long ago China mediated in a resumption of Saudi-Iranian relations. The exchanges of fire between Israel and Iran were done for political purposes - saving face for both parties.
The Gaza war has caused Jordan to withdraw its ambassador to Israel.
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On 4/18/2024 at 10:41 AM, connda said:
Just like nuclear weapons which are 100% a deterrent until the first time they are used, after which the genie is out of the bottle.
The same regarding the international laws regarding embassies, consulates, and diplomatic missions - they are inviolate in the sense that signatories to conventions protecting these institutions understand that the law is only as good as the first time that it is allowed to be transgressed. Israel has stated by its actions that it will not abide by international law. It's a terrible precedence to set, especially when all of its transgressions of international law are being formally "excused" and ignored by Western countries especially the US, UK, and France. It's amazing to listen to the pretzel-twisted rhetoric coming out of Western countries foreign offices and state departments which won't even acknowledge the strike on Iran's consulate in Damascus. Personally I think the genie is now out of the bottle regarding the sacrosanct nature of embassies, consulates, and diplomatic missions.
Everybody plays the game of diplomacy or nobody plays the game of diplomacy.
Now back to Article 51 of the UN charter which allows a country attacked by another state to a reprisal.
Ok - Israel attacked Iran's embassy, then Iran launched a "failed" reprisal the "did minor damage." Tit for Tat - this should be over.Instead - Israel plans to attack Iran. So they are going to escalate. And Iran has stated that if it's attacked it will launch a counter-attack that will make the April 14th "show" reprisal look like a walk in the park. Then it's "game on" in the Middle East/North Africa and beyond. It will become "The Suck." And it will suck the entire world in.
Israel can never deescalate. They will always require to get in the last blow. Therefore, personally, I see tactical nukes being used by Israel. Once the first tactical nuke explodes?The world as we have known it - ends.
Your post has good points, but it now appears that the Israel war cabinet has taken the advice of many countries not to escalate. You are right that Israel always wants to make the final response, and it seems that Iran understands this.
When Iran attacked I think that the participation of Jordan and others to mitigate damage to Israel was prudent so as to keep the hardliners in the Netanyahu government from getting traction in their campaign to have a major counterattack on Iran. I don't know whether Jordan and the GCC did so, but they should have told the Israel war cabinet that in the case of a major response by Israel they would not repeat the aid given when Iran attacked the first time.
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On 4/18/2024 at 1:05 PM, Will B Good said:
I had the same problem.....I'm pretty sure I was not uploading the documents correctly...... can't recall what I did wrong or how I corrected it, but it was definitely related to uploading stuff.
You have to pay attention to how big the image files are. Jpg (photo) flles can be downsized with free software.
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18 hours ago, BE88 said:
The leader of the opposition of the current government in Israel said that the government is made up of religious fanatics who want to go to great lengths to bring in the Lord, so yes the danger is very real.
Don't forget the Christian Zionists at their back egging them on, so these selfish "christians" can have their rapture moment at the end of the world.
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23 hours ago, connda said:
It is widely accepted that Israel has nuclear weapons and the delivery systems to send them to their targets. According to The Center For Arms Control and Non-Proliferation, "Israel is widely believed to possess 90 plutonium-based nuclear warheads and to have produced enough plutonium for 100-200 weapons."
Given the current Geo-political state of affairs in the Middle East, the bombing of the Iranian consulate in Damacus, Syria, and Iran's military response to the bombing, and Israel's signal that it plans to attack Iran in retaliation - do you believe that Israel will use its nuclear stockpiles to "defend" themselves against their Arab neighbors?
Please include your rationale to support your position and your vote.
As well, if Israel does use nuclear weapons on non-nuclear Arab countries in the region, what do you believe will be the outcome and the future for the Middle East as well as the entire world and humanity - and - how will it affect your decision to remain in Thailand?You should have given us the choice "probably not". Never say never.
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17 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:
Don't change the subject .
You made the false claim that the IDF killed some Israelis in Israel to stop them being taken hostage and into Gaza .
The story above is a different situation and time
The IDF does all kinds of war crimes. So here I was defending @Hummin who was responding to another of your claims.
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5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:
The accusation was that the IDF killed Israelis in Israel to stop them being taken hostage .
Your story is about hostages in Gaza being shot in a firefight with Hamas trying to free the hostages .
Two different situations
Hummin said "They shot 3 hostages with white flag at Gaza?"
The three Israeli hostages had escaped their confinement and displayed a white flag. Also they had stuck an SOS message on the wall outside the window of their detention room, but the IDF level of paranoia is so great that "shoot first" prevailed. You try to blame everything on Hamas, it seems. There was no firefight reported in this incident.
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7 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:
The IDF did NOT kill Israelis to stop them being taken to Gaza as hostages by Hamas .
That is the truth .
You can prove me wrong by providing some evidence that I am wrong .
Why do you even think that the IDF deliberately killed Israelis to stop them being taken hostage?
How did that thought get into your head ?
There was no forensic investigation in the kibbutzi or anywhere else to give absolute proof of how people died. Bodies were removed and examined later, so critical evidence from the scene is lost. Testimony of whistleblowers is all that we have. Nonetheless damage from heavy weapons suggests that Hamas et al did not do various destruction to buildings and vehicles ascribed to them.
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6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:
COGAT is a unit of IDF.
They are the Coordination of Government Activities in the Territories: Judea and Samaria and towards the Gaza Strip | Coordinating and facilitating humanitarian aid for Gaza.
They are the ones that know seeing as they are the ones that check and let every single aid truck go through and count them.
Propaganda. There have been thousands of trucks waiting on the Egyptian side. For one so-called "contraband" item, such as a pair od medical scissors, the truck is refused entry.
Also, only approved drivers can enter (at least before Biden got angry over WCK). When the BBC checked, there were only 80 such drivers, but they are not all available in place when the Kerem Shalom gate is opened.
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5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:
That link doesn't back up your claim .
The link says Israeli soldiers may have done it
You stated that the Israeli soldiers did do it .
You made the claim that there is evidence of the IDF killing Israelis to stop them being taken to Gaza as hostages .
Can you provide that evidence ?
Someone saying that they might have done it isn't evidence
There are many other links on this most recent implementation of the Hannibal Directive. Try Google.
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9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:
Why cant you provide any photos of the alleged starvation in Gaza and why are many of the people rather fat
If you google "starving kids in gaza" there are various YouTube videos.
Also:
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/04/09/gaza-israels-imposed-starvation-deadly-children
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On 4/14/2024 at 8:37 AM, Bkk Brian said:
They say and provide no evidence or source to where they get that information:
https://twitter.com/cogatonline/status/1776884629623988398
WFP suspended their aid to northern Gaza. Is this COGAT claim more disinformation? COGAT is a unit of IDF.
https://www.independent.co.uk/world/wfp-gaza-food-famine-suspended-b2499455.html
"The UN said that 80 per cent of aid deliveries destined for northern Gaza were blocked by the Israeli army in January.
The WFP had already suspended its aid deliveries for three weeks prior to Tuesday’s decision due to an Israeli strike on a UNWRA truck. "
More chaos followed because desperate people mobbed their trucks in northern Gaza.
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On 4/14/2024 at 8:25 AM, Bkk Brian said:
Gaza’s Health Ministry reported as of April 1, that 32 people, including 28 children, had died of malnutrition and dehydration at hospitals in northern Gaza. Save the Children confirmed on April 2 the deaths from starvation and disease of 27 children.
Forget Gaza Health Ministry, that is Hamas and they already admit they don't have the details of more than 13,000 of the deaths they've reported. I could also find no article on the confirmation from Save the Children.
Reliable source????
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On 4/14/2024 at 7:32 AM, Nick Carter icp said:
No one has died of starvation in Gaza ,
There is plenty of food going into Gaza , but the food distribution is controlled by Hamas and they are keeping the food from the people
Disinformation.
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On 4/14/2024 at 6:42 AM, Nick Carter icp said:
The link was behind a paywall .
Has anyone actually starved to death ?
All the photos coming out of Gaza show numerous over weight people .
There is no starvation in Gaza , recent photos show the markets are full of food
"No starvation" That's what Netanyahu's spokeswoman says. You must get your info from Israeli media.
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On 4/13/2024 at 5:17 PM, Nick Carter icp said:
The IDF have withdrawn from most of Gaza , there is nothing to stop Palestinians moving out of Rafah , but they can go nowhere near the northern border though , that area is off limits
Thewre are still drones killing people, such as the World Central Kitechen volunteers.
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On 4/13/2024 at 5:11 PM, Nick Carter icp said:
Evidence of that please .
You are claiming that the IDF killed Israelis being taken to Gaza for the sole reason to stop them becoming hostages .
Do you have a non Al-Jazeera link to back that claim up ?
That's the Hannibal Directive.
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On 4/13/2024 at 5:07 PM, Nick Carter icp said:
In the last prisoner exchange , 280 Palestinian prisoners who were serving life sentences for mass murder were released in exchange for one Israeli
On 4/13/2024 at 5:07 PM, Nick Carter icp said:In the last prisoner exchange , 280 Palestinian prisoners who were serving life sentences for mass murder were released in exchange for one Israeli
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israeli–Palestinian_prisoner_exchange
"On 22 November it was announced that Israel and Hamas had reached an agreement about a cease fire and the release of 50 hostages, in response the Israeli government would release 150 Palestinian prisoners. Hamas has acknowledged children would be the main component of the hostages released."
Some were rearrested, maybe due to there being too much celebration.
Are you referring to Gilad Shalit case then? There were 1000 prisoners released back then.
Mass arrests made as US campus protests over Gaza spread
in World News
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What blows my mind is how 80% of Israelis still support this genocidal campaign.