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2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

BBC report didn't mention the quote that you cite. 

 

Yes it did, time to do some basic research:

 

In comments reported on Hamas's Telegram channel, he thanked God for the "honour" bestowed on him by what he called the "martyrdom of his children and grandchildren".

https://www.bbc.com/news/68783840

Thanks for the link. I was writing of a report on BBC World News which did not mention the martyrdom statement. Maybe I was confused about who was visiting the injured, not bereaved, as recounted in your link.

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

   They can live in a Palestine state  with equal rights just like Palestinians live in Israel

Unfortunately the settlers are not peaceable people, and there are too many. It would take an enormous prison and a a huge police force to arrest them. The Zionists manage to force 750,000 Palestinians out of present-day Israel in around 2 years, so with their technology it should not take to long to locate and transport the 700,000 setllers back to Israel or their countries of origin.

Arab citizens of Israel do not enjoy equal rights. There is a more subtle form of aparthed practiced there than in the West Bank.

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Then yes you are mistaken, his children were terrorists and he seems pretty happy they were killed in a precision airstrike:

 

"he thanked God for the "honour" bestowed on him by what he called the "martyrdom of his children and grandchildren".

 

 

Regarding the targeted strike on a car with Ismail Haniyeh's sons and grancshildren, the BBC report didn't mention the quote that you cite. He was reported to have said that this loss is not greater than any other Gazan. While Israel claimed that they were out on a terrorist operation, the other side said that they were out visiting bereaved people. This sounds more plausible since the grandchildren were along. While it is denied, I wonder whether Netanyahu was involved in approving this in order to torpedo the ceasefire negotiations.

The leader of World Central Kitchen, José Andrés, wants a top down independent investigation of the targeted strike on his staff. I guess that he wants to know who really ordered this. After worldwide condemnation, the resulting offer by Israel to open the northern Erez crossing to aid trucks has not happened. A top down investigation, perhaps by the next government, might show (if transparent) whether attacks on aid workers, their trucks and ambulances, was a deliberate policy.

On 4/9/2024 at 1:20 PM, Bkk Brian said:

You should check the latest poll on that: https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/HHP_Mar2024_KeyResults.pdf

 

 

 

 

These questions (see fine print) present such polar opposites that it would be hard for most people to choose the side criticizing Israel. It's human nature to not give the unfavored answer. If people were asked whether they approved of various tactics such as the starvation siege of the population, they would probably disapprove.

A Wall Street Journal late February poll cited on page 6 of the April 3rd edition says that 60% of voters disapprove of Biden's handling of the war, up 8 points since December. If people approved of the execution of the war, why would they disapprove of Biden's stand?

22 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

What is really really sad is that Enoch Powell told everyone what was going to happen with unfetted immigration of people not 'suitable' or 'capable' of living in a modern democracy where there is a differentiation between the State and the Church - it just took a lot longer than he thought it would to become a serious problem.

 

Regarding divion between Church & State, you could be talking about Israel & the US, too.

22 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

That isn't true .   Unwatch is a Swiss non Governmental organisation and its not an Israeli organisation and it isn't paid for by Israel . UN watch also comment on numerous World issues, not just Israel .

   Of course people that don't follow world events and just are obsessed with Israel, they wouldn't know that 

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Watch

In 2001, [David A.] Harris announced that UN Watch had become a wholly owned subsidiary of the American Jewish Committee. According to a press release at the time, “UN Watch was established with the generous assistance of Edgar Bronfman, President of the World Jewish Congress. Eighteen months ago, the American Jewish Committee and the World Jewish Congress reached an agreement, approved by the international board of UN Watch, to transfer full control of the organization to AJC, an agreement that went into effect on January 1, 2001.”^[11]

Since 2013, UN Watch claimed it is no longer affiliated with AJC and is an independent organization.

Claudia Rosett, a journalist-in-residence with the conservative Foundation for Defense of Democracies, praised UN Watch as "stalwart and invaluable".^[64]

The American journalist and political activist 

Phyllis Bennis described UN Watch as a "small Geneva-based right-wing organisation" that is "hardly known outside of UN headquarters".^[65] She stressed that "undermining and delegitimising" Richard Falk through "scurrilous accusations" has been an "obsession of UN Watch" when he became Special Rapporteur.

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Hooray to the Burmese people, may they bring utter misery to the junta, and the thieves that are controlling Burma, stealing their treasure, and inflicting misery on their people.

 

They are total pigs. The Burmese army is a den of thieves, drug dealers, gem smugglers, human traffickers, serial killers, vote stealers and despot thugs. Billionaires raping the public. General Min Aung Hlaing is the top pig. He says the military will hold an election and hand over power to the winning party. Right. Can't handle the loss, you loser?  

 

“Action must be taken according to the law with effective steps against offences which disturb, prevent and destroy the state’s stability, public safety and the rule of law,” said a statement read by an announcer on state-run MRTV. Total nonsense. They are making up this crap as they go. 

 

The generals previously justified their takeover on the grounds of election fraud, promising to hold new elections. Now, they lost by huge margins. The people said enough. "Hundreds of thousands if not millions of people have been protesting about the coup and Min Aung Hlaing’s response astoundingly seemed to blame the democratically elected government of not being appropriately committed to democracy as one cause for the coup,” Lee said. Funny man. Desperate and weak too. 

 

“He then suggested that the economic environment for investment would be good under the military. Well, if you call billionaire generals good for the economy, well it is at least good for a few hundred idiotic, and ridiculously corrupt and morally bankrupt generals, anyway.

 

When the Burmese army says they are uninterested in politics, that is total BS. They are power hungry thugs. Utter pigs and despots. The pussy, billionaire generals are thieves, robbing the people of their gems, their timber, their minerals and selling heroin for the sake of amassing wealth. And supported by extremist Buddhist monks against the minorities. Broken men. With their recent overthrow, they have self revoked the right to consume oxygen. May the Myanmar youth prevail! May the dinosaurs be pushed out. A pox on their families. A terrorist army.

 

And shame on the morally bankrupt officials and Thai military, for granting that foul, horrific, toxic, obnoxious military, permission to fly over Thai airspace to rescue their ill-gotten billions. 

A discussion on Al Jazeera last night claimed that Min Aing Hlaing was the behind the Pig Butchering scam operations near the Chinese border, that China is very annoyed by the operations, so China cooperated so that the opposition could take over the area to shut down these scams. 

On 4/8/2024 at 11:24 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Can you just name one,  please mate ?

War crime: intentional starvation of civilians

On 4/8/2024 at 11:16 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   What about "Apartheid", you seem to have forgotten to mention that , you've managed to get all the other buzz words in 

You asked for it:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/

On 4/7/2024 at 7:49 PM, Wobblybob said:

Nothing excuses 7/10, sorry but your excuses are wearing very thin. Hamas want to eradicate Israel and the Israelis off the face of the Earth and Israel are not allowing them to do this and most people would have to agree with this, but not you Hummin. 🙁

The Israeli public has been subjected to Pavlovian conditioning for so many years that it seems to be immune to reason. There is this paranoid reflex that they are going to be eliminated, but the reality is quite the opposite. It's the Palestinians who see their space and identity constantly under threat since WW 1.

On 4/7/2024 at 11:30 AM, TroubleandGrumpy said:

I have a question - to all those people outraged and angry by what Israel has done to Gaza.

 

What have you done and/or what have you said about the atrocities being committed by the Military Dictatorhip in Myanmar since they illegally took over in a violent coup and imprisoned a Nobel Peace Prize winning politician? 

Now please dont take that as a criticism - take it as a genuine open question.

When you answer that with the truth - then you may begin to realise that your 'selective' outrage is being fanned by the media.

Then you might think about all the other atrocities being done all over the world every year.

Then you should take a look at all the media driven outrage not involving Israel - where is it?

And then you might realise that the media drive discontent and outrage because it sells - they love wars because they do best in times of war and Israel is a very easy target.

I'm also following the Burma story. There the opposition is fortunately not up against the IDF. Even so many civilians have also died there in indiscriminate attacks, and the ICJ is involved. Now let's not digress further.

On 4/6/2024 at 10:12 PM, jayboy said:

 

In other words, neither you nor he is willing to say how Israel should have responded to the Hamas atrocities in October.

 

 

A majority in the US now are against Israel's reactionary atrocities committed on a scale beyond anything since WW2. Whatever IDF did, it should have avoided alienating the US public. Also, exposing itself to charges of genocide was a fateful choice.

On 4/6/2024 at 9:35 PM, Bkk Brian said:

I have, feel free to do the same

 

UN finds evidence of rape on Oct. 7 and after; Israel: They tried to downplay issue

https://aseannow.com/topic/1321564-un-finds-evidence-of-rape-on-oct-7-and-after-israel-they-tried-to-downplay-issue/

 

This UN report had no testimony from victims, only hearsay. 

On 4/6/2024 at 4:45 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

Civilians were given safe areas to go to .

     "But Israel bombed those areas as well"

They were bombed accidently

    "No, Israel bombed them deliberately in their genocide attempt"

Its not genocide as blah blah blad 

 

   Anyway, back on topic

 

 

ICJ will decide whether it's genocide.

On 4/6/2024 at 3:54 PM, Hummin said:

An often mistake in wars, one deceased is often counted more than once, 

The Gaza Health Ministry says that they document their fatalities with names and ID numbers. If so, double counting is avoided. An accounting of the missing, those buried under rubble and Hamas in tunnels, will take quite a while.

On 4/6/2024 at 3:42 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   What do you think I misrepresented ?

Mixing up IDF body count with deaths reported from hospitals. Maybe you were not around in the time of the Vietnam War and don't know what "body count" means. There of course could be some overlap of body count from drone footage with bodies subsequently collected and taken to hospital, but drones operators make mistakes as to who is a combattant or civilian. People waving white flags are also shot.

On 4/6/2024 at 3:19 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

   It says so on Wikipedia 

Show us the link!

On 4/6/2024 at 3:49 PM, Wobblybob said:

Hamas controls the Gazan Health Ministry and you are quite prepared to believe Hamas but not Israel, speaks volumes!

 

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/11/02/5-things-to-know-about-the-hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry/

It's important to know the agenda of the organization which is the source of your link, Foundation for Defense of Democracies. These 3 quotes are from Wikipedia:

FDD was founded shortly after the September 11 attacks in 2001.^[6] In the initial documents filed for tax-exempt status with the Internal Revenue Service, FDD's stated mission was to "provide education to enhance Israel's image in North America and the public's understanding of issues affecting Israeli-Arab relations"

John Mearsheimer in 2007, Muhammad Idrees Ahmad in 2014, and Ofira Sekiktar in 2018 have described FDD as part of the Israel lobby in the United States.^[9][10][11] Sima Vaknin-Gil, director general of Israel's Ministry of Strategic Affairs, had stated that the FDD works in conjunction with the Israeli government including the ministry.

On 15 November 2019, FDD officially registered as a lobby under Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_for_Defense_of_Democracies

9 hours ago, Social Media said:

Understanding British Muslim Perceptions on Hamas: A Call for Counter-Extremism Efforts

 

In the wake of the Israel-Hamas conflict, a recent report commissioned by the Henry Jackson Society (HJS) sheds light on the perceptions of British Muslims regarding the actions of Hamas. The findings, revealed six months after the tragic events of October 7th, highlight a concerning trend in sympathies towards Hamas among a significant portion of the British Muslim population.

 

According to the report, only one in four British Muslims believe that Hamas committed murder and rape during the October 7th incident in Israel. This stark disparity in perception underscores a deep-seated divergence in understanding and interpretation of events between certain segments of the British Muslim community and the broader public.

 

The survey, which represents the largest of its kind conducted since the Israel-Hamas conflict, reveals that 46 percent of British Muslims express sympathy towards Hamas. This sentiment is accompanied by other concerning findings, such as a significant proportion advocating for the implementation of Shariah law in the UK and expressing beliefs in Jewish influence over government policy, media, and financial systems.

 

The report also identifies a generational and educational divide among British Muslims, with younger and more educated individuals being more likely to dismiss allegations of atrocities committed by Hamas. This trend underscores the importance of targeted education and outreach efforts to address misinformation and challenge extremist narratives within communities.

 

Fiyaz Mughal, a prominent figure in interfaith advocacy, describes the findings as both shocking and unsurprising. He emphasizes the need for robust counter-extremism measures to combat the spread of extremist ideologies, particularly those perpetuated by groups like Hamas. Mughal calls for increased government guidance for educational institutions and community organizations to address the proliferation of anti-Semitic tropes and extremist beliefs.

 

Alan Mendoza, the executive director of HJS, points to the failure of counter-extremism policies in adequately addressing the rise of extremist ideologies within certain segments of the British Muslim population. He highlights the reluctance to confront such extremism due to fears of being labeled Islamophobic, calling for a concerted effort to amplify the voices of moderate Muslims and marginalize extremist narratives.

 

In response to the report, the government acknowledges the need for comprehensive measures to promote social cohesion and counter religious hatred. A spokesperson reaffirms the government's commitment to protecting democratic freedoms and pledges to implement strategies aimed at tackling division within communities.

 

The findings of the HJS report serve as a sobering reminder of the challenges posed by extremist ideologies within British society. Addressing these challenges requires a multifaceted approach, encompassing education, community engagement, and robust counter-extremism measures. By fostering dialogue, promoting understanding, and confronting extremism head-on, stakeholders can work towards building a more cohesive and resilient society for all.

 

08.04.24

Source

 

It is crucial to note that this report emanates from the Henry Jackson Society. Note criticism from a co-founder: 

Co-founder Matthew Jamison, who now works for YouGov, wrote in 2017 that he was ashamed of his involvement, having never imagined the Henry Jackson Society "would become a far-right, deeply anti-Muslim racist ... propaganda outfit to smear other cultures, religions and ethnic groups". He claimed that "The HJS for many years has relentlessly demonised Muslims and Islam".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Jackson_Society

4 hours ago, connda said:

Thailand is the most LGBTQ+++ friendly country in the world.  The problem is that in this day and age, those who believe they are "discriminated against" want 100% acceptance from everybody.  It will never happen nor is that attitude realistic. 

How many LGBTQ+++ discriminate (and dislike) people who are not LGBTQ+++?  The answer - Some.  And there will always be "some." 
And how many non-LGBTQ+++ discriminate (and dislike) LGBTQ+++? The answer - Some.  And there will always be "some."
 

Just like I'd like 100% acceptance that I'm non-Thai and I want 100% of the Thai people to not discriminate against me.  Unrealistic.  There always will be some.

The fact that a same-sex marriage law is passed at all is the equivalent to Womens' suffage (when women obtained the equal rights to men to vote).  It's not a perfect world, but instead of bemoaning the fact that not all of the people will accept anything new all of the time - try celebrating the accomplishment of equality when it happens.  It's a milestone.  Be happy.

Now - in that vain, perhaps its also time to grant foreign men married to Thai women the same rights as as foreign women married to Thai men.  Now there is discrimination in all of its discriminatory ugliness which is still accepted by Thais.
Foreign women married to Thai men:  A valued core of a Thai nuclear family.
Foreign men married to Thai women:  Just visiting for a year and not valued by Thailand at all.

So LGBTQ+++ in Thailand  Get married legally.  Enjoy you new rights and equality.  Be happy.

 

 

The difference between a foreign man and Thai woman couple versus the opposite perhaps depends on the Thai view of the married couple where the man is dominant. I believe that this is also reflected in the law, so maybe there would have to be equality of the parties in a marriage. The question of whether one is a foreigner is a subsidiary issue. I wonder whether there is any difference between the North which is culturally matrilocal and Bangkok which is patrilocal, i.e. like China, in attitudes regarding mixed marriages.

49 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

Thailand should get involved into/with Myanmar internal affairs/domestic politics (policies) military wars killing thousands of innocent people, liberate all imprisoned political democratic opponents including  Aung San Suu Kyi,  just say no avail, move on

An earlier example of interference in internal affairs was in 1979 when Vietnam invaded Cambodia to depose the Khmer Rouge. China then attacked Vietnam, but were repulsed.

24 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That isn't correct , the total number of Palestinians  killed is 30 000 , about half of those killed have been Hamas members 

Please desist from obvious misrepresentation.

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

But the 32k are not all verified from hospitals. Read my post again

 My understanding is that hospitals is where deaths are recorded, where the dead are identified so there is no duplication of reporting. You seem confused, which is understandable in the face of IDF propaganda.

On 4/3/2024 at 6:17 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   What does that have to do with the thread topic ?

We have also been asked numerous times to stop giving history lessons 

The present cannot be understood without the historical context. Some feel that it's in their interest to erase history.

On 4/3/2024 at 5:18 PM, Bkk Brian said:

Its got everything to do with it. Hamas figures around 32,000, but 13,000 of those are unverified from media sources but they will not say which ones.

 

IDF say 13,000 terrorists killed. This figure is to take away from the above.

 

 

Since the 32.000 figure is deaths recorded in hospitals, the IDF 13,000 figure as a body count is independent of the statistic from hospitals.