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Thank you for mentioning the settlers. The pogroms which they visit on the indigenous people cause great outrage in Gaza, too, I suppose. These attacks are done with impunity in the presence of IDF. As for the celebration with sweets, it's like the prisoners celebrating a jailbreak. Had they already seen the horrific videos? I remember reading of a call from a Hamas killer to his parents in Gaza, reported in a recent Israeli government video. When the son said how he was a hero for killing a number of people and asked his dad for approval, dad told him to come home. Parents sounded unhappy with him.
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To really understand why the US has vetoed so many Security Council resolutions, you have to know about this: Sorry it's a long read, around 500 pages. Most people only know about AIPAC, Anti-defamation League - tip of the iceberg. Unless a lot of people know about this, how the US Congress is cowed, it will be very difficult for there to be peace in the Middle East.
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Mentioning the Ten Point Program is an obfuscation. It dates from 1974 according to the Wikipedia entry which you cite. At the top of this entry are the following warnings: "This article has multiple issues." "This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards." The Saudi proposal dates from 2002. It is about peace, not rejection. It was rejected immediately by Israel, but at times US presidents have supported it "on paper". Israel has never made a counter offer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative There were some negotiations regarding the Bush Roadmap for Peace end with the Annapolis Conference in 2007, but this went no where since Israel was unwilling to give up control over West Bank borders, vacate settlements, or agree to genuine Palestinian sovereignty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annapolis_Conference Among the comments by Rabbi Dov Lior of the Yesha Rabbis Council: "Lior further stated that peace would only be achieved by "[cleansing] the country of Arabs and [resettling] them in the countries where they came from."[29]" At present the question is whether Israel will end up digging itself a hole so deep that the world will find ways to force it to end the Greater Israel project.
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You can read the Amnesty report to find out why Israel proper is also judged to be practicing apartheid against its Arab citizens. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/ There are reports on housing discrimination, for example, in various newspaper reports. If you want to know about this, try googling.
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To your last point, up to now, Israelis have disregarded the situation of the Palestinians, so settlement activity and apartheid could continue, until the Palestinians disappeared, perhaps? Now Hamas has gotten the attention of not only Israelis, but the world. Perhaps the consensus will arrive at a viable two state solution sooner rather than later.
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Please provide a reliable link concerning PLO rejection of the Saudi peace proposal. The Palestinians would definitely like a two state solution if the horrific settlers would be sent back to Israel and be banned from the Haram al-Sharif. No problem for settlers who have no animus to remain in the West Bank subject to local law. Since Israel effectively controls all access to Gaza, even through Egypt, Gaza is called the world's largest open air prison. It is why Israel will (if the US comes to its senses) hopefully be held fully to account for the ongoing collective punishment on over 2 million largely innocent people.
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Who could get Hamas to relinquish political control? Principally the countries which would finance reconstruction, mainly the GCC countries. There was a very good monologue by Daniel Levy which covers his idea of how to getfrom here to there. https://www.aljazeera.com/program/the-bottom-line/2023/10/21/why-does-the-us-not-support-a-ceasefire-in-gaza
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As others suggested, in Israel the mood could change for various reasons and the generals could not follow through with their (and Netanyahu's) plan to eradicate Hamas. So I suggested that Hamas could be made to give up power by external actors who would see that a political alternative replaced Hamas. There would still remain the question of a security force so that remnants of Hamas could not stage a coup.
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If you use the physical card in Thailand, someone can copy the CVV on the back of the card. So getting cash from an ATM is usually better (unless there is a skimming device in the slot).