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Two wrongs don't make a right is another way of expressing what @placeholder said. It is disingenuous to ignore the blockade in place since at least 2007, where Gazans have been kept in a state of near starvation and their economy cannot properly function. The attack was an act of desperation provoked by the prospect of Saudi Arabia joining the Abraham Accords, as Netanyahu's obvious intent was to eliminate external opposition to the settler colonization of the West Bank while continuing the blockade of Gaza. Saudi Arabia was the author of the peace proposal in place since 2002, which was not compatible with the policy of filling Area C with settlements, so getting the Saudis to effectively sign off on existing Israeli policy would have meant abandoning their peace proposal. This attack is in a sense a trap for the current ultra-Orthodox/Kahanist faction in the Israeli government as they seize the opportunity to increase their pogroms on the West Bank. There are too many witnesses with cameras. For now centrist Israelis are overcome with horror at these massacres of secular Israelis, so it will take a while for backlash to resume against the judicial "reform" agenda and the disproportional death and destruction in Gaza and the West Bank pogroms. In the meantime the world will have taken stock of massive war crimes and depopulation in Gaza, so Hamas probably anticipated that Israel would end up with Europe and most of the world against it, with only the US still supporting it, and with qualifications. Whether merely attacking military targets would have produced a sufficiently vehement reaction is debatable. That this attack may accelerate the end of the current Israeli government is probable.
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New TM30 Registration Web Site
placnx replied to BKK57's topic in Thai Visas, Residency, and Work Permits
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With 500+ checkpoints and settlers gobbling Area C, the West Bank is heading in the direction of Gaza. Just this week, I've just heard that four Palestinian villages have been depopulated, i.e. ethnically cleansed. For the past two years settlers assisted by IDF have been attacking villages and towns. When Palestinians resist, IDF steps in to shoot them. The Gaza economy is non-functional due to the blockade, so it's no wonder that there is high unemployment. Gazans are forced to survive on aid and need 150 trucks per day in "normal" times.
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It will be impossible to establish a Palestinian state in the West Bank without shrinking these settlements and dismantling the most egregious, such as Hebron. Settler rampages show that a lot of thought would have to go into stop them from being a danger to Palestinians. Or offending settlers would have to be banned from the West Bank; extraterritorial status of settlers should be limited so that crimes committed in the West Bank (against Palestinians) would fall under Palestinian law. It will be a very heavy lift to achieve a viable Palestinian state.
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They had a potential leader in Marwan Barghouti after the failed Oslo Accords, but he's been locked up for some time. I don't know whether he would be relevant any more, now age 64, but Mandela was locked up for 28 years and became preident at age 75. Marwan also has a very articulate cousin, Mustafa Barghouti, who is also involved in politics. Ultra-Zionists believe that to all belongs to them, including Gaza and the West Bank, maybe Sinai, too, and part of Jordan??? No need the compensate for stolen land since it already belongs to them.
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New TM30 Registration Web Site
placnx replied to BKK57's topic in Thai Visas, Residency, and Work Permits
So do we need to file TM 30 on the new system (after setting it up) if we filed in June on the old system? We tried but it stuck on "in progress" and now about a month later we can't find the filing on the new system. -
I put the expiration date of extension of stay. Now another problem: We took a screenshot when listing me was "in progress" back in September, concerning a reentry last June. We did do a report on the old online system and took a screenshot of that file. Now we are trying to access the report on the new system, but it seems to allow asking to search for filings for previous seven days only. If we do that, there is "no data". Does the "in progress" leave the possibility that the filing failed? Since I have to do annual extension next week, what to do?
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Why don't you and the ultra-Zionists recognize the Palestinians and their human rights? The narrative ca 1950 was that the oppressed new arrivals were making the desert bloom in a land devoid of people. Where was the respect for Palestinians then? Anyone who questions Israel's policies toward Palestinians gets flogged with the "right to exist" line as though that was existential. At this point it's the Palestinians right to exist which is the real question.
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"No"? Nitpicking becomes you. You know very well what I meant. Your links do not really counter the essence of my post. The point of evoking the principal Arab Revolt against the Ottomans was that there were serious political aspirations of Arab nationalism, which you may know were thwarted by the British et al in betrayal of promises made in return for their service against the Ottomans. Not nitpicking, but replying to one of your arguments - that people were politically indifferent, so no need for a state of their own. Palestinians were not indifferent then and are not now. Also the Wiki on the 1936-39 Arab Revolt in Palestine shows that the Palestinians attempted to resist Jewish colonisation, but were unable to sustain their struggle in the face of brutal suppression by Wingate's forces in particular.
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No, the Arab Revolt was against the Ottoman Empire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Revolt The hope was to establish an Arab state "from Aleppo to Aden" in Yemen. You mean this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936–1939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine This was in opposition to Jewish immigration that had grown under the British mandate from 57,000 to 320,000 in 1935. Regarding Wingate, here's an article about him from Times of Israel: https://www.timesofisrael.com/75-years-after-his-death-why-orde-wingate-remains-a-hero-in-israel/ The Arab Revolt was resistance against occupation. The link about Wingate contains the section "Palestine and the Special Night Squads" which mentions the horrible abuses, but the following link contains more detail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Night_Squads Without studying history, it's difficult to understand why Palestinians speak with such hysteria when interviewed by BBC, etc.
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The $300bn claim is a from a footnoted 2007 article in the Jerusalem Post. It cannot be accessed by me, but maybe by a Port subscriber if any of you subscribe. The link does say that the figures are in 2007 Dollars. The group which created the link is a Zionist lobby group. Among their political activities: "JIMENA played a key role in the unanimous passage of House Resolution 185 by the U.S. Foreign Affairs Committee on Wednesday, February 27, 2008.[4][6] This resolution urges the President to ensure that when refugees from the Middle East are discussed in international forums, any reference to Palestinian refugees be matched by a similarly explicit reference to Jewish and other refugee populations.[7]"
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In the 1930s the Palestinians were disarmed by the British, while a British army officer and Christian Zionist named Orde Wingate trained Jewish commandos including Moshe Dayan into a precursor of the IDF. The program to expel the Palestinians was well-organized, and the British just wanted out in 1947. As I said before, they needed to be protected by Egypt and Jordan so a separate state was not feasible at the time. As to whether the two-state solution is reborn, it depends on the Israeli ground assault and the world's perception of it.
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You must mean Jewish immigrants, as Arabs are not allowed to immigrate to Israel. I covered that issue of Jewish people with more connections to the colonial country than Israel, that compensation would concern the country that received the people who left the Arab country in question, not necessarily Israel. There are anecdotes of Jewish people making incredible claims of vast wealth, but how and when, if true, was that accumulated? Did they arrive in the vanguard of colonial powers, or were they among the majority whose ancestors lived many centuries in Arab & Muslim lands? BTW Do you have a link for the $300 bn claim? That would average to about $500,000 per person! Is your number in 1948 Dollars or inflation adjusted?
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How could the Palestinians have a state when they had no means to defend themselves against Israel? They could only survive with Egypt's and Jordan's protection. A two-state solution will only ever happen if Israel is forced by international opprobrium to let it happen, not by negotiations between Goliath, i.e. Israel, and David. In 1967, again Palestinians were forced to flee to Jordan and cannot return to the West Bank.
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I was responding to the claim that the expulsion of Jews from Arab/Muslim lands cancels out any obligation for Israel to compensate for around 750,000 Palestinans who fled or were expelled from Israel in the 1947-8 Nakba. Looking at official Israeli figures, the case of Algeria shows that 10000 people emigrated in 1948-58, while in the next decade, following Algerian independence, nearly the entire Jewish population of 130,000 emigrated to France, not Israel. So logically compensation for this would be a matter between France and Algeria and have no bearing on Israel's excuse for not compensating dispossed Palestinians. From the beginning compensation for Palestinians, if not repatriation, has been an issue of international concern: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_194 In the present situation, the veto of the US, blocking humanitarian aid to Gaza, will apparently end up having humanitarian aid being discussed and voted in the General Assembly, in the same way as happened with Russia's invasion of Ukraine where the Security Council was paralyzed by the Russian veto.
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Shingrix (shingles vaccine) available in Thailand now
placnx replied to Polar Bear's topic in Health and Medicine
I didn't think to get a GoodRX coupon, so I had to pay $225 at CVS in LA. -
If there could be an analysis, most Jewish immigrants from Arab countries were poor Sephardis, while wealthy ones were predominantly recent arrivals with European colonialism. If that's the case, such disposessed transplants should take it up with their colonial sponsors. As for the number of immigrants, the total from all countries in the period 1948-51, the mass migration years, is 687,624. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-immigration-to-israel-by-year