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I see a lot of different sources. Wherever it was, I found 60% to be quite remarkable. A number of the polls frame the question as to whether people have a favorable attitude about Palestinians.

I was talking about before the conflict, but some polls may also cover afterwards, and some links have a series of polls reported. There are various questions asked. So there are various percentages depending on the question.

Deny, deny!

I have replied (to myself by mistake). Please see above.

I posted various polls above. What is clear is that attitudes toward Israel in various aspects are waning, but still around 50% on most questions.

i could have mixed it with BBC program cited previously, but here are various recent polls: https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/wall-street-journal-ipsos-poll-israel-hamas https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/prior-attack-israel-majority-americans-supported-talks-hamas https://today.yougov.com/international/articles/47606-israel-hamas-war-americans-support-israel-have-doubts-about-biden-poll https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/16/americans-want-us-to-help-get-gaza-civilians-out-of-harms-way-survey https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hamas-attack-us-attitudes-israel-palestinians-shifted-party/story?id=103892349

Somewhere we saw that to view filed reports one clicks on box next to address and then clicks on "search", no mention of inputing dates into middle or right side fields at top of window. Didn't work. At previoud attempts when we put in dates, got "no data" response. In our inital attempt on 23 September, we did the filing soon after setting up the account. Result was "in progress" not changing to "informed". To file now, what do we put in these date fields? 1) Actual date of entry/check in, which was in June? I am living in a house, was returning from a foreign trip, and filing TM 30 because Chiang Mai Immigration has a different rule than the national one, so we have to file even if returning to home on a reentry permit. 2) As for check out date, last time we put expiry date of current retirement extension in December. We just tried to put in June as check-in date, but system responded "Check-in Date must be within 24 hour" . This is one of those Catch-22 things, since you will be punished for telling a lie! Maybe it would be better to forget about it and show the filing on the old system????

You can watch the program here: https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press-full-episodes

On Meet the Press last night I heard that 60% of Americans polled support the Palestinians. Sorry I don't know haw the poll qustion was phrased. This poll was probably done before 10/7.

Yes, this "self-hating Jews" trope rears its ugly head again. It sounds evocative of the Soviet Union where dissidents were said to be crazy and sent to psychiatric institutions. Actually some Jews recognize injustice and crimes committed by the Israeli government, ISF, settlers, and actively oppose that.

Obviously AIPAC, ADL and many Washington think tanks have a visceral hatred of JVP. Why? Because public opinion in the US is turning against what the Israeli government, IDF and settlers are doing to Palestinians.

In a recent post I said that there are fringe people at who may chant River to the Sea amidst thousands (as shown in London by BBC) who are obviously normal people showing humanitarian concern. I do not support the River to the Sea chant or concept. JVP is for peaceful resolution, opposing apartheid, and using BDS to get there.

For the record your generalization about my opinions concerning Hamas. I don't equate inhabitants of the Gaza Strip with Hamas. My concern is humanitarian and for justice for the Palestinians. It's true that the PA is wont to hold elections against any credible opposition, since Abu Mazen's side would lose due to corruption and incompetence. I was just watching a BBC program "Global News Podcast - The Conflict Special Episode 2" in which a newsperson recounted a comment from a high American offical at the time that they would not accept the election results.

I thought more about the difficulties of Palestinians to organize. Among the simple, non-intellectual, people I think that there's an attitude of fatalism. Here's a current example of how people react to intimidation: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/21/the-most-successful-land-grab-strategy-since-1967-as-settlers-push-bedouins-off-west-bank-territory

These worldwide demonstrations are asking for humanitarian aid and/or ceasefire. BTW I am a member of Jewish Voice for Peace.

Do you support Ben Gvir being in the current government then? The pogroms against Palestinians in the West Bank are fueling serious anger in the West Bank at a time when Israel doesn't need another problem. https://www.timesofisrael.com/ben-gvir-pays-tribute-to-racist-kahane-ultimately-he-was-about-love-of-israel/

The article noted that many in the demonstration were Jews. Inevitably there a fringe hotheads, but what the BBC showed seemed to be quite orderly, a lot of older people.

We need more doctors and nurses, and for the moment they're still alive.

Are you talking about the Kahanist in the ISraeli government?

Yes, it was an oversize pothole caused by a huge explosion, and the buildings around there show little if any damage.

Fear of being doxed is not it. Rather it's concentrating on what's important - saving lives in Gaza. You should try to see the situation of these people under occupation, put yourself in their shoes. In the West Bank, the settlers supported by the IDF are a nightmare getting worse by the day. Nonetheless, if Israel would give them back a life in the West Bank where they could live and thrive, meaning that settlers in their midst would have to go, no more apartheid, I'm confident that there could be genuine peace. Gaza would be integrated with the West Bank, and elections would replace the dinosaurs in the PA.

On the BBC today at the Sydney demonstration the organizers are reported to have asked the participants not to shout inflamatory slogans, as this would undermine the subject, which maybe was asking for humanitarian aid and/or ceasefire. On some campuses in the US I have heard that the River to the Sea chant was uttered, and alumni are getting excited.

By now your should know my thoughts through numerous posts. I have spoken so many times of the two-state solution. While a state with equal rights was promised in Israel's Declaration of Independence, that would require the promised constitution that never happened (so now Israelis are faced with a malleable Basic Law which Bibi et al want to "fix").

The IDF is not known for truth when they are at fault, but of course other armies do the same. There are things that do not look right about the hospital narrative, but we may not be able ever to know for sure, unless something emerges from government archives many years hence.

Since when am I excluded from the back & forth when you replied to @thatbeachlovers with something which I felt was another nitpicking as @placeholder has noticed, too? Deflection? No, correction. I am fully aware of the Palestinians' organizing troubles, both historically and currently. Past Israeli governments had a part in this, as they didn't want Palestinians to have a credible government. That would have removed an excuse for not granting them more autonomy. So the Oslo arrangement has led the PA into becoming a stooge of Israel, assisting most of the time in oppressing the people and preventing alternate political actors from emerging. Then there is the lack of elections since 2006.