williamgeorgeallen

So you wish to return to "Wooly Sheep Land" but you're rightfully worried that your bargirl will clean you out?

Unbelievable man.

Since you've had one failed relationship and chose a life with whores, would I be right in saying that perhaps you didn't have the goods to make it with a good girl in the first place?

I respect your honestly but jeez man, you've really restricted yourself now.

Think about it; you go back to NZ or Oz and every lad will soon work out your girl is a former hooker. You can dress em up as lamb but...

Worse still, your kid will be picked on when the truth comes out.

I truly don't think you met any real good girl with personality, charm, independence and the looks to boot.....coz you don't have it either. Hence, the life in Sin City. Would this be a fairly true hypothesis?

I'm truly amazed you want to bring your former bg back to the home country other than a better education for the child. There's plenty of lads partnered with the good Thai girl back in their respective countries educating their children knowing its rock solid because of similar goals and aspirations.

Would it not be smarter to keep the girl and kid here so they can associate with their own?

May I ask, how much do you pay your former (or ongoing) hooker?

many of my friends have been cleaned out in ferang land and it is a concern to me. seems like there is very little i can do about it. i am heading back to nz in december for an extended holiday and going to check with my lawyer to see what i can do.have already contacted him and it seems it is going to be a hard thing to do. maybe someone on here has some advice. hope i can cover my ass, want to get the kidds through high school and retire back to thailand but it will only be possible if i can hold onto my properties.

new zealand is very behind the rest of the western world in many ways. if you have a thai girl then everyone will assume she is an ex working girl so it does not make much difference either way. nz was the first (and still one of the few countries) to legalise prostitution so maybe my kids will have other kids with prostite mums to hang out with. they can even form an out cast group. will put my kids through the best school i can afford so hopefully bullting wont be a problem. i am convinced a degreed from new zeanald will be of far more value than a thai one. it is better my kids go to school in nz to set them up properly if they decide to go to university there. not sure if you know much about the thai education system but from what i have heard it is not as good as a western education. even the public schools are very good in nz. i have spoken to quite a few teachers from different schools and most agree it is best to eduacate kids in the west if possible.

i have a great sports center here which has been quite a success pretty much because i run it as a social club. i dont like to paint myself as a social butterfly but i am still in contact with many hundreds of my current and past customers so i must have some personality. this 'hypothesis' thing you have formed is the oddest thing i have seen on all of they replies to my original post. anyway we do dinners out most nights and go drinking on tuesday afternoons and saturday nights so you can come to test my social skills. i have dated quite a few girls when i was living in oz but always preferd the single life. i tried to live with one but i found it was not for me. as i have kids now i live a semi couples lifestyle. i spend time with my kids and their mum. watching them grow up is an experience like nothing else and i am glad i have been able to experience it. i agreed to support their mum till the kids are educated and i will regardless of what happens. hope i still have some lead in my pencil when i move back to retire and resum my completly single life.

think you will find those rock solid couples end up with an over 50percent divorce rate just like the rest of the couples in western countries. 10 years here most of the guys who though they had rock solid relationships ended up in quite a bit of trouble, especially when a kid was involved or the house is worth more than they guy can afford to loose. some guys just wont learn. one guy i know in pranburi paid to build a house and then paid to buy it back off his girlfriend when she left after 6 years of paying for her university. she is now in germany with a german guy who is paying to put her through university again. he rang me up to say he is going to put the house in his new thai wives name. this house is his only asset and i wonder how many times he is going to have to buy the same house off his non bar girl exes. christ i have a ton of stories about guys in these rock solid relationships who ended up in trouble. i could write a book about here who have lost so much. happens in the west as well i suppose.

sallary is 15000thb per month, same as a university graduate wage, plus i pay all medical and education. plus she lives in one of my condos with all bills paid. does that sound fair? i spoil my kids a fair but and buy them alot of toys bikes and so on.

this topic was supposed to be about westerners not covering their asses in a country where thry can legally protect them selves far better than in a western country and i have spent hours now explaining myself about my life which people seem to not believe anyway. you want to know anything else please send me a private message or better yet meet me for a beer if you are in the jomtien region.

OP, you seem to know a lot about Thai ladies that in your opinion is 'dodgy', yet you chose to dabble there...

let me be clear, I know very little about thais in general. almost 10 years and I am still having trouble understanding how they think. bargirls are not dodgy, they are prostitutes doing their job. its fairly straight forward and I think they are the best. problem is western men trying to fool themselves and paying for it.

While I certainly wouldn't emulate your life choices, at least you accept what your GF is.

Some of the guys berating you actually pay their wives a SALARY to stay with them yet have the gall to insist they're not and never have been prostitutes.

To the last of them, they all know that if the monthly payments stopped, their wives' thighs would slam shut and they'd be given a grace period to start them up again or be unceremoniously dumped

Your situation isn't ideal but you appear to be making it work so fair play to you and good luck

exactly my point. if you are paying your girl to stay with you then she is basically a bar girl. infact this would be a fair way to determine if she is a bar girl or not.

wish some of the haters on here could come and meet my kids and their mum to stop some of the stupid comments being posted on here. after just a few lines explaining my life people have completly judged my situation while knowing very little about it.

williamgeaogeallen

I am but a man with small $$$.

I invest in "good girls" only - tertiary educated.

I limit my "donations" to 2nd hand motor vehicles (full registration & roadworthy certificate included).

Are you sure yours didn't try to cash in on your life insurance with that hit and run accident you had recently?

no idea what this comment was regarding.

man its a good thing it is low season. I have spent the whole day on this forum. almost as good as facebook.

OP, You must be a young guy...I learned a long time ago that giving advice is seldom followed. I am sure your post was sincere but exposing your mistakes on TV is not really a wise thing to do.

is 41 young? still feels it I guess. exposing my mistakes?

You see, nobody likes advice...even you 555

williamgeaogeallen

I am but a man with small $$$.

I invest in "good girls" only - tertiary educated.

I limit my "donations" to 2nd hand motor vehicles (full registration & roadworthy certificate included).

seems reasonable and sounds like you are covering your ass. I have mixed with some non bar thai girls and it is not much fun but each to their own.

It's you wage, control the use of it.

No money for her debts.

No money for her family.

Pay all household bills yourself.

Give her a small amount of spending money each day.

Don't let her find your bank book or ATM card.

Then let her threaten away.

No need to move out, no need to lose anything.

No, actually it is not only his money. I suggest that you read up on the Thai CCC from Section 1470 onwards. It is about the property of husband and wife and salary is sin somros and not sin suan tua. If he is unlucky, he is also responsible for the debts of his wife (depends on when she aquired the debt and for what). According to Section 1516 Thai CCC he has the duty to support his wife. If not, that would be a reason for her to divorce him and gave her the opportunity to sue him for compensation.

from my understanding this is good advice. would be best to sell up the house. maybe offer to give your girlfriend any proceedsfrom the sale. I know a couple guys who paid their wives a one off payment for sole custody of their children. really this is the most important thing.

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seems to be a lot of anger on this forum. I am just sharing my observations, maybe in the hope it may help some people. I wonder if people are getting angry because they have been through the meat grinder making these mistakes which in hind sight were pretty obvious. some of my friends have lost houses but they still swear their exes were not bar girls. I don't see what difference it makes what job she did, they got conned out of house, so maybe they are not a bargirl, maybe they were a conman/woman. I like bargirls a lot more than conmen.

I don't really get why people think I am on here lying about what I have seen or done. why would I lie to a bunch of people I don't know or will never meet. I don't get this whole troll thing either.

Some are just negative or enjoy taking the piss out of others. Kinda comes with the territory when you're using forums. Others just get bored of the same topics. In their defense, it seems like there's some confusion about why you'd strongly warn others against a relationship with a bar girl whilst being involved with one. At any rate, I think it is wise to determine where a girl comes from b/c- despite her current intentions, whatever they might be- instincts usually come back hard during times of crisis.

am a bit surprised by some of the responses to my post. I am not warning anyone against a relationship with a bargirl. bargirls are the best, far more fun than 'the nice thai girls' I have met in Thailand. it should be far safer to have a thai partner than a western one as they can not take your assests unless you marry them (or are stupid enough to put them in their names). I was married in australia and lucky to get out of that without loosing my assets. I am saying that guys need to assume they will be ripped off at some point and so try to minimalize the fallout. thailand is paradise for western men as long as you take some precautions.

OP, You must be a young guy...I learned a long time ago that giving advice is seldom followed. I am sure your post was sincere but exposing your mistakes on TV is not really a wise thing to do.

is 41 young? still feels it I guess. exposing my mistakes?

OP, you seem to know a lot about Thai ladies that in your opinion is 'dodgy', yet you chose to dabble there...

let me be clear, I know very little about thais in general. almost 10 years and I am still having trouble understanding how they think. bargirls are not dodgy, they are prostitutes doing their job. its fairly straight forward and I think they are the best. problem is western men trying to fool themselves and paying for it.

There is nothing worse than getting advise from a fool.

not sure what you mean by this post. you are referring to me as the fool? I have made several mistakes in Thailand but loosing property to an ex is not one of them. many people have been fooled this way and I guess that makes them fools but for sure you can learn something from them. in many cases you can learn more from mistakes than you can from successes.

I was going to add something to the discussion but just realised its time to stick hot needles in my eyes.

well it looks like you did add something but it was pointless. odd thing to do. I understand a lot of this is old content. read the title and move on if you are not interested.

I dont claim to be an expert on bargirls but i must say the DNA thing intrigues me.

Id assume most are not known for their mild temper and patience, so im astounded she didnt throw you off the building when you asked for a DNA test.

For a Thai lassie thats showing some huge restraint right there.

Congrats, you most certainly have found a keeper OP!!

we were only seeing each other casually when she got pregnant. she asked me to pay for the hospital which I agreed to as soon as we got a DNA test done. good incentive. also I started supporting her as soon as we got the test results. took 4 months and true to my word I repaid her hospital bill and gave her financial support, backdated 4 months. my kids are great and I am lucky the mum is so devoted but from what I have seen thai woman are great mums. this is not true in all cases however, especially the younger girls who sometimes prefer to run back to the bar or back to the thai boyfriend that is another topic I guess.

i have a bargirl who is a bit older. we had a son and after a DNA test i agreed to support her

Wow, You sound like a great catch

If a whore told you she was pregnant by you, would you not also insist on it?

Or would you become the type that the OP talks about...?

excellent point. I know guys who are raising kids and they have a question in the back of their mind if it is really their kid. DNA tests are just another way to cover your ass.

i have a bargirl who is a bit older. we had a son and after a DNA test i agreed to support her

Wow, You sound like a great catch

I am not going to say she is different but she is an extremely devoted mum and raises my 2 kids for a very fair salary. I would very like much like for you to meet her. are you in pattaya?

Ah well..

Just when you thought you heard it all before....well there it is again.

if it has all been said before why is no one listening. some of the guys i know read this forum and are still allowing themselves to be screwed over. i am in no way blaming the working girls, it is just a job for them it is us westerners who are screwing up.

Love your post, bro. This message cannot be spread enough around here. But I disagree with your statement that what these girls do to men qualifies as a job. I wouldn't even say all of em set out to take guys, or would necessarily admit it to themselves. But then again, how many of us tell ourselves "I'm gonna make this girl think I love her just so I can get in her pants"?

thanks for the positive words. I was hoping to have some positive discussion on this topic but it has not really worked out that well. I agree some girls don't set out to rip their westerners off but he lies the problem many do, or end up wanting to when things go sour. my point is your better assuming that they are after your family jewels and keep them safe. another great thing in Thailand is the girls can take half your assets unless you legally register a marriage. awesome, you can live together for years and still keep your own stuff which gets back to my original post. I would like to take my kids back to new Zealand but am worried my kids mum will take me for my assets. I am trying to work something with a lawyer but it seems even putiing my properties in a trust may not work.

seems to be a lot of anger on this forum. I am just sharing my observations, maybe in the hope it may help some people. I wonder if people are getting angry because they have been through the meat grinder making these mistakes which in hind sight were pretty obvious. some of my friends have lost houses but they still swear their exes were not bar girls. I don't see what difference it makes what job she did, they got conned out of house, so maybe they are not a bargirl, maybe they were a conman/woman. I like bargirls a lot more than conmen.

I don't really get why people think I am on here lying about what I have seen or done. why would I lie to a bunch of people I don't know or will never meet. I don't get this whole troll thing either.

So the OP is blurping away on TV to save us all ......................

of course I can not help everyone but I would like to share my observations and feel westerns should just try to face facts rather than kid themselves and pay for it in the long run.

this has really gone off topic. was supposed to be about my observations on western ment not taking precautions financially when dating in thailand.

Jeez dude, you have the audacity to comment on observations of guys with bg's and you have one yourself.....just incredible.

You also bought condos in a saturated market.

Enjoy sending your kid to a school full of kids delivered by former bg's?

Honestly man, you're right out there.

I have said it before and I will say it again I like bar girls. they are part of the spice of Thailand. I am starting to wonder if I have not made myself clear in my original post. I have tried with western woman and did not like it at all. at least you know where you stand with a bargirl as long as you can admit that's what she is and take the necessary precautions.

yes again I made a mistake buying condos and would recommend people not make the same mistake as I did. it seems that no one should ever admit making a mistake on this forum as everyone likes to keep bringing it up again and again. in fact that if fine, the more something is bought hopefully the less other people are likely to repeat that mistake. I can see now why few people talk about their mistakes on this forum. maybe a lot of my content has been covered before but it bears covering again if it can help guys having ther lives ruined.

I wish you could see my kids school. lots of hot mums dropping their beautiful healthy mixed race kids off at school. many of the mums a heavily tattooed and fit the bar girl mold but they are clearly great mums with clean well presented children. I feel a great sense of pride dropping my kidd of at his school, and suppose I am lucky I can afford to send him there.

this has really gone off topic. was supposed to be about my observations on western ment not taking precautions financially when dating in thailand.

yep, dont really like to say my son was a mistake as i count my children as the greatest thing ever to happen to me. would seem it is pretty common in pattay for western men to have kids with bargirls. hundreds of mixed race kids at my sons school. seems to me a fair share of them would be bargirls with this being pattaya.

if it has all been said before why is no one listening. some of the guys i know read this forum and are still allowing themselves to be screwed over. i am in no way blaming the working girls, it is just a job for them it is us westerners who are screwing up.

Really? You think you've said something that hasn't been said before? You go on a rant like your OP then question why nobody is listening? The answer is in your own words.

Apart from anything else, you come here teaching the rest of us to suck eggs then admit you got a prostitute pregnant, which you accepted after DNA tests, then was convinced to have another baby with her!

Yes, we take your point about renting and about watching out for these parasites, but coming from you who was convinced for a second baby with a prostitute your post comes across as vacuous mindless trolling. If you had made more effort to express that at least a minority of these women can truly move on from their time in the sex trade your 2 babies with a prostitute might not have made you seem so hypocritical.

That tends to imply this whole thread is just your frustration at being caught with your pants down twice over with the same prostitute after you clearly know better.

In conclusion, you are indeed saying nothing at all new, but instead seem to be yet another sucker who takes to the internet to throw your poo at the monkey in the next cage.

PS. Is that really your full name you use on an anonymous internet forum? You should have stayed back home and off the internet for your own safety.

i am a lucky guy. i have 2 great kids, regardless of their mothers profession. 2 great kids that i would not have had if i had not moved to thailand 9 years ago. now i have had my share of problems, work permit problems, staff stealing, western staff making problems, probably going to loose quite a bit when i have to sell my condos so it has not been all plain sailing. but these problems have all been managable. this was just an observation on how people refuse to accept their girl will take them for everything given half a chance.

anyway i dont really understand why my post would upset you so much.

maybe this is my real name and maybe it is not. what does it matter? i doubt anyone is going to track me daown and wack mme over some observations i posted on some forum.

"i have a bargirl who is a bit older."

Good for you. That phrase is much more palatable than the truth, "I've hired a prostitute half my age..."

i am 41 and she is 42. that is the truth.

So the OP is blaring about idiots who fall for bargirls, while he himself has a bargirl and was stupid enough to invest in an over saturated condo market, of course his bargirl is different

i sometimes wonder if people properly read posts before replying.

i have kids with a bargirl, i never said there is anything wrong with bargirls. the girl i support is no different from the rest. this is my point which is why i am not building the family a house in esan or putting a house in her name that i can not afford to loose. yes i am the first to admit i made a mistake several years ago buying a couple condos and i would advise that it is better to rent as rental rates are so low now. of course no one likes to admit their mistakes but sometimes it can help stop others from making the same mistakes.

Ah well..

Just when you thought you heard it all before....well there it is again.

if it has all been said before why is no one listening. some of the guys i know read this forum and are still allowing themselves to be screwed over. i am in no way blaming the working girls, it is just a job for them it is us westerners who are screwing up.

so i was sitting i a bar talking to a 65 year old guy i know who has been in thaialnd for several years. he is with a 30 year old girl he met on some thai dating site. we were discussing bar girls and he was going on how he would never date a bar girl despite living with this girl less than half his age who he told me he banged the first night he met her. now these are just some of warning signs, she also has mostly bar girl girlfriends from sirrichcah (not sure on that spelling) who are supported by japanese men working in the car manufacturing plants up there. he was going on about her being a university leacturer and i said i though it strange she liked to hang out in the afternoon short time bars we go to. he can not see it or will not see it and is buying houses in pattay in her name.

now since i have been in thailand almost all of they guys i know have remained single or lost houses and cars to their non bar girl girlfriends. i have said it before i am embarassed how stupid westerns are about putting so much trust in someone who is a working girl (not necessarily in a bar) whos job it is to con you out of as much money as possible. there is no need to build a house for your girls family, this is just another scam. also there is no need to buy a house to live in in your girl friends name. the rental market is excellent here, and you can get a great house or condo for a great price without having to cover maintenance fees or upkeep. cover your ass. buy a condo in your own name if you have to. i bought a couple condos but now i wish i had just rented because of over supply.

i have a bargirl who is a bit older. we had a son and after a DNA test i agreed to support her. she even convinced me to have a second child which she supports out of our initialy agreed sallary. having kids does not change anything. many guys get ripped of from the mothers of their children. one good friends girl ran away after having a kid with him, then after abandoning her son she tried to take the house he had bought in her name. thankfully the court gave ownership to the son and the mother got almost nothing. i have so many of these stories i have see over the last years i could write a book but i guess it has been done already

now i am sure all of this has been said before but i just one western man reads this and saves himself from loosing property or other assets i will feel it has been worth my time. was just reading a story about a russian guy who just hung himself after loosing all his money to some working girl who then left him. seriously time for some of you to wake up.