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3 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

As I wrote before the MFA does not want financial proof to certify the translation of affirmation of permit to marry.

The people that have said they needed financial proof meant it was needed at their embassy to get the affirmation and a few perhaps needed it an Amphoe.

While i agree that this is required AT the embassy, we got one embassy which went to the extra length of detailing the fact, that even if it is required before they will produce a piece of paper necessary to get married, the requirement originated FROM the THAI MFA, i think we should all appreciate the clarification they have made, and not pretending it's only something that an embassy has decided to ask like this, out of the blue, there is a substantial difference between the two.

23 minutes ago, thedemon said:

The title of this thread is misleading and likely just cause confusion.

 

I couldn't care less what the Italian Embassy does or doesn't do.

 

But the Thai MFA does NOT ask for any document related to the finances of anyone when certifying a translation.

 

It's as simple as that.

Well put! 

I am sure that many here will just prefer to give credit to the opinion of "Thedemon", rather than the material published on an official website that belongs to an embassy in Bangkok, other users experiences that posted here, doesn't count either.....

11 minutes ago, Rama said:

 This is an Italian only requirement. 

If you take the time to read each one of the replies into this topic, you will see that there are reports of other nationalities going through the same ordeal.

5 minutes ago, Jackie66 said:

So poor people are not allowed to marry?

Evidently not, and they don't even have to be necessarily that poor.

In other places, as someone i think already pointed out here, you can't get married if you are 50 y.o. or over (Cambodia), that's probably because nobody would have been expected to reach that age under the Khmer Rouges or something...

16 minutes ago, Slaps said:

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How does it go?

 

You can take the bar girl out of the bar

 

But

 

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There always seems to be a nice and well rounded "butt" involved somehow, for taking a woman out to somewhere, isn't it?

5 minutes ago, eddiev said:

 has to prove he has the set income per month,not just say he has.

They already made clear, that self certification with an embassy stamp on top, are no longer acceptable.

If it keeps going that way, soon the Thai MFA will start pretending all your saving/income to be dropped at their desk, so they can check are real, perhaps they could call it "MFA Sin Sod"....

I have to agree with Cockwomble, next time make sure she's at least on the level of a Red Label....

22 minutes ago, BsBs said:

Any fake  document perfectly works ! Never hesitate to provide any stupid document that they would ask <3

 

 

People were usually allowed to a workaround by the use of self-certification, not this time though.

What you are suggesting it's extremely dangerous, the last italian which did that and i know of, was the heir of the Agnelli's family (the tycoon family which own FIAT), if i remember that right, he just changed by himself the date on his passport of a few days because he was too lazy to follow the regular channels, the "allowed until"' date, they banged him up to prison and he died there few years ago, be careful! 

6 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

That's not what it says as far as I can tell. I can see no mention of having to have sufficient funds, nor of any hint of refusing to give permission to marry.

Time to change the translator you are using, or maybe, just start using one, have a look here  https://translate.google.com/

Can you get or do you have either a retirement visa or a Non B?

It doesn't sound as your current relationship it's doing any good to you...

3 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

All the the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs does is verify the translation of the affirmation of permit to marry is correct. They approve nothing related to marriage.

In this case, how is it possible for them to emanate such an order and having a EU consulate to diligently applying it, and even publishing the news on their official website?

As i previously wrote, probably someone would be able to contact a RELIABLE source inside the MFA to clarify a bit?

Maybe a lawyer or an agent that gets in touch with them regularly, as if anyone else try to do the same by let's say giving them a call or one hundred, i am sure that he will get a different reason and the opposite of it every single time....

13 minutes ago, abrahamzvi said:

According to international laws, an official marriage in a country which is recognized "de Jure" by Thailand is officially recognized in Thailand. However, the marriage of a Thai citizen outside of Thailand has to be registered by an Amphur. The foreign Marriage Certificate has to be translated into Thai and confirmed by the Embassy concerned and then by the consular department of the Thai Ministry of foreign affairs.

So, as the thai MFA it's still involved, and this requirement originated from them, they can possibly still deny to recognise the marriage if no proof of funds it's submitted to them?

Whoever here, has connections (wink wink) at the MFA, should try to find out a bit more, especially if this new rule will apply to all the nationalities of the old continent (EU), as it's often the case, or just to some...

2 minutes ago, juice777 said:

Its a mix up ,its obvious is don't ask me how but it is.

No ideas, the more i try to find out, the more confused i get, maybe it's simply another case of someone having a "power's trip" at the MFA, if it's true that they cannot make such a request, i wouldn't be surprised if that's the case....

4 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

I suspect this is just a requirement imposed by the Italian embassy.

So, this means that an EU consulate, it's publishing fake information on their official website?

They clearly stated that it's the thai MFA which it's asking for it

From my understanding, this proof of funding will need to be provided on top of the affirmation of being free to marry, or simply the affirmation could not be provided if no proof of funds it's given.

But the part of it all that really intrigues me, it's this secrecy about how much they actually want to see, the thai MFA doesn't even mention it at all on their website, or at least i haven't being able to spot it

16 minutes ago, Sunak said:

Or did I get it completely wrong and he want to marry in Italy???

No he wants to marry here, and it's the thai ministry of foreign affair which it's making it compulsory to have this proof, so maybe there is a work around?

What about if he marry the thai citizen into a western country, and then ask for the thai side to recognise  the marriage here?

I am not a lawyer, and i think it would be of interest to know the opinion of one of them that it's familiar with these matters.

5 minutes ago, Sunak said:

and no reason given?

What is his current status of staying in Thailand (visa, extension)?

The reason for rejection was not enough funds and he's being denied a marriage with a thai citizen because of that, he's just a regular visitor which i believe, get a visa exemption because doesn't stay long and its nationality.

This is just another of those additional forms that get on top of all the others, these bureaucrats seems to be loosing their sleep at night, just to think of what might make life for the rest a bit harder....

Surely this last addition, will disrupt the life of countless future families, TIT

It somehow seems to be a very well kept secret, i did ask the chap how much did they asked him for, but he got no reply (clerks inside the consulate are thais), maybe they haven't been told? Who knows?

For what i can see, the thai MFA it's not even mentioning it on their website, at least we got some info from somewhere else

1 minute ago, juice777 said:

This must be a mix up from the Italian side lol.

Yeha surely is, my same kind of thoughts, it's the farang's fault, thais do not make mistakes, ever....

33 minutes ago, Crossy said:

Do you have direct experience (or know someone) who has actually been refused?

I have lots and lots of acquaintances, and i managed to get this info second hand from someone which HAS been refused and was just asking me for some sort of guidance, as not everyone in Thailand can manage other lingoes.

So, now the question here is, what i should say to him?   

...http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/962102-wow-this-country-its-getting-better-and-better/#comment-11491986

An official website from a branch of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (italian consulate in Bangkok), it's now warning that the thai Mistery of Faranging Affairs (MFA or somethings like that), will NOT let anyone marry their new found missus, unless they can prove enough funds, (no mentions of the amount, but expect it to be something they would like all the quality tourists inside their wildest dreams to have).

No self certifications accepted, they want to see the money.

You can read it by yourself (use Google Translate or similar, as it's not in english), by going to this link belonging to the italian ministry of foreign affairs (MFA= "Esteri").

"  Dal settembre 2016 il Ministero degli Esteri thailandese richiede tassativamente una certificazione relativa al reddito del cittadino italiano nubendo/a. Questo comporta che, al momento della richiesta del Nulla Osta al matrimonio, il cittadino italiano sia residente sia non residente dovrà comprovare la propria condizione economica con la C.U. o certificato equivalente.

Non si potrà rilasciare il Nulla Osta senza la documentazione idonea relativa al reddito, poiché l’autocertificazione è da considerarsi valida solo verso l’amministrazione pubblica italiana.

Il Nulla Osta da presentare alle autorita' competenti Thailandesi viene rilasciato dall'Ambasciata a vista (salvo i casi di richiesta di verifica con il Comune di residenza di quanto autocertificato). "

Source:   http://www.ambbangkok.esteri.it/ambasciata_bangkok/it/informazioni_e_servizi/servizi_consolari/stato_civile

2 hours ago, sandgroper2 said:

Im donating as much as i would if someone wanted a life saving operation here. Zero. Ive worked, saved, and cover my own ars. If someone doesnt want to do the same. tough.

I completely disagree with that, life constantly prove to us that an individual can never be in total control of what it's going to happen to them, no matter how well you make your plans or how wealthy you might be, sometime might just be karma....live and learn

I think the expat's community, should really try to find a way to help out the way they can, in similar cases, there are so many of us living here long term, and just a little contribution can go a long way.

Any of us can get into trouble in a way or another at some point of our permanence, wouldn't just be wonderful if something can be done about it?

While at the same time, ALWAYS keeping an open eye onto  another kind of expat....http://www.harrisblackwatch.com/

.....apparently, since September of last year, proof of funds and employment are now required to be allowed to marry a thai....thoughts?