wildewillie89

Fake gun. 

Moon and Star club.

Will not be shut down. 

The Mrs did it in Korat last Friday. What they did say to the Mrs initially was that her ID card photo was not clear enough and she would need to go and get a new one to be able to get a passport. Luckily she could just use her government card photo. Something to make sure of before you go. 

Staff have no problems with Thai person leaving once measured and coming back later. If queue number has already gone through, they will just fit them in next. Saves waiting in the one room all day. 

One of my dogs was harder to find here, so had to get her from someone who had imported the parents. I looked at a few places who imported dogs (from just a breeding pair to a larger scale). Don't for a second think that just because Thai people have imported dogs that they are reputable or care for the dogs. They don't necessarily go searching for an exact line they want, more just the first dogs they see of the particular breed they want that will make them some money. Real breeding of dogs is not a money game, the people who see it as a money game fail the dogs - so a fair chunk of Thai breeders. 

People claiming the pups are from certain parents happens very frequently in the developed world also. The info I got re the papers was just a warning video doing the rounds on social media from back home as it was happening so much. 

I was under the impression papers mean nothing unless they are DNA. If both 'parents' are registered, I think all it takes for the pup to be registered is the fee (which is why backyard breeders have two prices - with and without papers). So what happens is they have a couple of registered dogs, but breed in other dogs and tell you that the pups came from the registered dogs. If that is the case and you want a pedigree dog then never buy a pup if they do not offer papers from the beginning or offer the dog at two different prices. Should be one price with papers and nothing else. None of this we are finding the papers or can get the papers, one price with papers from the start. Someone can correct me if I am wrong. 

As Arjen says, a Malinois has a higher chance to be better all round dog if can find one. 

Success will depend on each individual temple. The monks in one of the temples in my municipality are very anti-dog. To the point that when the vet and public health officials came to give the dogs the rabies vaccine only one monk would help round them up. He told the officials that he is seen as an outsider and the other monks are trying to move him elsewhere as they do not want the dogs there. So a temple like that would probably be quick to call the authorities if someone tried to dump new dogs. 

Temple in my immediate village is the complete opposite. Ring the bells for all the dogs to come and eat. 

3 hours ago, colinneil said:

Why are you trashing Issan women?

I am married to the best Issan woman, no man could wish for a better wife.

Yet i agree with you 100% about families, they are just deadbeat as you say.

Same can be said...why are you trashing Issan families? 

I married into a hard working Issan family who do not smoke, in three years have only seen them drink during New Year, do not beat their partners or ask me for money and since my children have been born always close their gates, will not go out without seat belts/car seats, stopped the silly superstitions based around 'hope' and, most importantly, stopped playing the lottery (to prevent the normalisation of gambling).

As family structure/behaviour is so important when a child is developing, if the Issan woman is 'good', then logic would probably say her siblings, parents and even a fair few blood cousins will be 'good' too. Of course exceptions exist, but most people I would think end up being a product of their environment. 

From memory I initially put on some weight, then lost a lot due to other factors, but now have levelled out. What did happen though was my sugar levels went up to pre-diabetic range. Sticky rice doesn't feel you up, so you end up grazing on it all day like the Thais (with soda like the Thais). End result, higher blood sugar levels. Took the sticky rice out as well as the soda, and got the family to switch to brown rice just 3 or 4 times a week (not 3 times a day), and everything went back to normal. 

1 hour ago, starky said:

I get it your fond of the breed. I can get very defensive about the APBT. Personally I don't want a large "natural" attack dog with a an aggressive personality that I couldn't leave around with a stranger . I want a well trained dog that is aggressive when required but also has the intelligence and temperament to nor want to attack everyone not familiar to them.

I completely agree and that is the dog that the vast majority of people want - especially in populated areas (suburbia) and low crime areas. It is the dog I too would also want if living in those environments or had lower level security needs. 

1 minute ago, starky said:

I said fearsome not fearless. The rest I can't bother arguing with its a dog. It can be socialised. As for true working dogs my dogs only eat and drink on command its hard to train but with time and patience doable. Saw too many dogs poisoned in thailand and mine are worth too much for that shit. As for the rest we will have to agree to disagree. All filas are tested at 1 year to not be fearsome of gun shots? All? Yeah righto mate.

I think from my previous comments on the thread regarding show lines it is pretty obvious the lines I am talking about. 

15 hours ago, starky said:

Yes all those traits are instinctive but if you haven't stayed on the property, haven't raised the dog and don't even have a perimeter yet what is this dog going to be protective of? The thieves have probably spent more time on the property than this muppet. I would also say that unless you are talking about your dog's specifically that every dogs second purpose is to hate everything is pure fallacy. You stop feeding your "attack" dog for 3 days then let me roll up with some water and chicken breast and we can test your hate everything theory.  You are extrapolating the pack theory with your own personal prejudices without a pack a dog will naturally find a new pack/ pack leader to bond with. I also question your breed theory I have worked with rotties, Akitas, cane corso, Alsatians and my background for the last 3 generations is the APBT apparently the most fearsome dog on the planet if you want to drink the kool aid. If you needed to work with 3 dogs and a year of research maybe you don't fully understand dog behaviour. 

The thread has already discussed having a fence before a dog (I also mentioned it, OP seems to be getting it). The dog will protect the land/stock. I think it was the Imperial War Museum that displayed accounts of Maremmas temporarily being used to replace Alsatians during the war as the Alsatians were being put down too easily guarding stock.

Guardian dogs work in pairs or small groups to begin with (thought that was obvious). They do not seek packs. Land, livestock (even penguins in Australia) or family come before joining packs of stray dogs. Any stray dog is either chased away or killed - not accepted. They couldn't have existed for the past 2,000 odd years by your thinking. *By the way the pack leader theory has been debunked how many times now by academics. The AVSAB discussed this 8 years ago re training in particular.  

Look up Filas or better yet go and observe some. They are one dog breed in the world different to all other breeds. They are not trained attack dogs, it is simply their nature (which is why it was the only breed permitted to not be disqualified for attacking show judges for so long). There are a few FB groups you can join for ease, but I suggest going out and actually observing/talking to people. Cane Corso trainers often get on the FB groups to ask how they will go with Filas. One recent person was someone who just moved to Venezuela who has a business training Malinois but wants a Fila for home/land protection. 

Your recommendation is to just go out and own dogs without prior experience of dogs with similar temperaments? Literally what every single dog expert argues against when talking independent thinking dogs (even your basic puppy school teacher). I do not get the Pitbull being fearless comment. Pitbulls are human friendly. They will lick an intruder to death unless they have had serious time spent on them/with their handler, completely different dogs. The London Magazine wrote about how the Soviet Army tried to train Caucasians when patrolling the Berlin Wall using aversive stimuli, but the dogs proved impervious to pain. A Fila at one year of age is tested not to be fearful of a gunshot 5 metres away. Although hard to verify (for obvious reasons), it is said the Israeli Defence Force use these dogs as they are naturally not scared of loud noises (guns/bombs) - even though the dog is banned in the country. The Brazilian Army did a 5 year study in 'extreme hostile jungle conditions' and found Alsatians to be more intelligent, but Filas scored higher in aggression, sensibility, temperament, energy, resistance, rusticity and strength.    

It was a UK singer (Stone) who bought a CO after receiving death threats. Already owned a Rottie...observation - they are nocturnal and have a temperament that makes a Rottie look shy. Completely different drives that need 'serious experience' to work with (as the GS training forums agree with). 

They will not be motivated by toys/food, so it takes a complete different methodology when  working with them - 'experience of dogs with similar drives'. Maybe instead of having silly debates, actually go and research their history and drive. *True working livestock guardians (2 years up) do not accept food from strangers, do not even drink water when off their land and go many weeks with limited food in the fields. Also designed not to be bathed for a lifetime and their nails even pop off or they bite them (as meant to survive with little human contact). However, do eat or bury the stillborn of livestock to try and hide the scent from predators. 

Slightly off topic, but anyway.

Up to 50k usd from memory to train herding dogs to get them up to government standards. To be fair though, handlers usually have zero intense working experience with many breeds due to specifically choosing the breeds best suited to the work/sport they participate in. Logical handlers will openly admit they only down play other working breeds as they haven't spent the time developing methods that are effective in terms of understanding their instincts so they fail miserably with them. Nor should they be spending time with them.

I think that sometimes causes confusion. People judge different dogs through the lens of the dogs they work with and know (usually modern breeds), rather than taking the time to properly research a dog's history and/or go out and observe them. The reason for that is the dogs are not popular Western dogs so indeed are hard to research/observe. However, they are becoming popular now as working dogs in the West as popularity has ruined the herding dogs. 

Personally, I would say for my dogs, regardless if they had the resources and 50k spent on them or not, would still be completely useless for personal protection in public (too aggressive). But for land/home protection, a different matter with just time spent on them. But look at their make up, one's sole purpose for thousands of years has been to naturally protect large areas without any training or even any human interaction (only display a nurturing side due to protecting livestock which they have transferred to young children/small women). The other's sole purpose is to hate and attack everything (including show judges, children, women, whatever - was eating a turtle the other morning) except his immediate family for hundreds of years. Such qualities are 100% instinctive, no train/command/reward system - independent thinking. Assess situation and act. However, qualities that are very dangerous if not understood by people (i.e many public situations and some private situations).  

But as Chrisinth says, there are certain dogs that require some real experience. Experience for me is a similar minded dog but much more manageable (either smaller or softer temperament). So for example, the GS forums tend to think owning a GS is NOT sufficient experience to own a Caucasian Shepherd as completely different temperament. I did time with 3 Maremmas, just to get that understanding of instincts before I moved to the naturally more aggressive Caucasian. The Fila is a whole new ball game, but everyone knows that is the one dog breed in the world different from all others. That took a good year of research, talking to people, visiting, and yes, already owning an aggressive breed, 

On 8/19/2018 at 2:06 AM, Damrongsak said:

The Dogo was off-limits

Wonder if the OP would be able to exercise it enough. Otherwise rather than intruders stealing goods, the dog would just destroy the goods. Many lines are deaf these days too so unless the dog actually saw/felt vibrations from the intruders...I imagine would be very vulnerable to the Thai sun. There is a club in Thailand from memory. 

1 hour ago, jvs said:

All depends where you are looking,not really hard to find a good dog.

It is not so difficult to train a suitable dog to engage but that opens a whole other can of worms.

Very uncertain scared dogs in a pack can be a very good deterrent and they are for free here in Thailand.

If good dogs means NOT letting anyone on the land at all then it is very hard as nearly all dogs will pee themselves if challenged.  Unless someone is spending big on acquisition (importing) and are professional re training, then the dog will be easily disposed of by people not scared of dogs/under the influence. Waste of money and time for most in my opinion as Thai don't mind harming/killing dogs just for barking let alone having an actual reason to. 

Scared dogs in packs are useful against scared people but not much else. Thai grandmas are even great at knowing how to drive away scared packs. Really depends on how much the intruders want the goods. From my experience within the village, those usually scared of dogs suddenly become much braver when they decide to do silly things under the influence.

There are naturally aggressive dogs that require no training, however, require a huge understanding of the dog to be safely kept. It is why the Thai police force are big on Filas now for personal home protection, as the standard Thai Bangkaew is no longer regarded as sufficient - minimal stopping power. Lines in Thai are hit and miss though. Some hit instincts at about 11 months (standard is 5), others as early as 2-3 months. Many are unstable due to being mixed.  In terms of the OP wanting German Shepherds, it was a while ago now but when I had a look it seemed to be more show lines in Thai. 

17 hours ago, jvs said:

The amount of so called guard dogs that will actually engage an intruder is very very low.People think they have a dog that will bite but very few do so without proper training.In the Op's case it sounds like the thieves know when the place is deserted and then come and take stuff.Not likely these people come with guns blazing and empty the whole place or show up when they know people are there.

What the OP needs is a few dogs that will make a lot of noise so they will alarm the workers wo are living on the site.A guard dog in a kennel is useless just like you can not protect your family with a gun if you are not at home!!!

You can use a combination of dogs and electronic devices or protect your investment and or family.There are other options but i think this will do for Henk Jan.

Yes...99.99% of dogs would not engage an intruder. Of that .01% that will, it is quite hard to near impossible these days to find working lines.

On 8/12/2018 at 6:58 PM, grollies said:

Anyway, we bought a S&W .38 on the advice of the local BIB.

 

Complete waste of 75k in my opinion but keeps wife happy.

Cousin has sold a few to some farang near us to keep their partners happy also. Mrs wanted one, but with kids I didn't. Got these instead.

The one in the video was 10 months at the time (matures at 2 years - so warning barks transition into body slams if need be). 7,000 were used to patrol the Berlin Wall. Now used in Russian prisons and to guard. If brought up in a family they will show their nurturing side more. Downside of that is they grade people on how cowardly they are. Cowards on rare occasions they ignore, but mostly chase away, non cowards they attack. We had friends visit once with their 3 year old. The dog (leashed) would let the mother (even though stranger) touch her child, but not let the father near it. Nurturing side of the dog (protecting the weakest). 

Issue I had with that was a few kidnappings of children near us by small women using their kids (cowards in the dogs eyes). So got the black one, probably the only breed in the world (proper lines) with real natural attack without warning socialisation will not prevent. Accepts family, mother/father/sister in law as spent time with them as puppy, but no one else (including women and children). Popular among Thai police these days (but after a few attacks on people during puppy hood they finally realise they are different and need to be fenced).  

Idea is the dog in the video is naturally nocturnal so works at night out of the sun. The other is from a hot climate so loves the heat of the day. The nocturnal breed is an independent thinker so patrols the borders, whereas the other naturally stays close to house/person - Velcro dog. If good lines will not generally accept food off strangers. Also surprisingly good at killing snakes. According to the Russians and National Geographic, the nocturnal one has stopping power of a .45 caliber bullet. The other I have seen news reports of one dog taking multiple bullets and living to drive off intruders so would be similar. 
 

Raising two little kids in my 20s here. If you are financially secure to afford the basics, including the extra vaccines that will prevent hospital stays, then really you will be fine. 

I guess the issue will be for the Thai family that they will want you to marry her and marry quickly. A young Thai cousin of mine just had their sin sord meeting due to her getting pregnant. Maybe that is what is playing on your gfs mind. That if she opens up you will run, leaving her in an even more shitty situation. 

I would make sure you are 100% sure on your decision, no turning back. I know a weakness of mine, but I like to avoid any real emotional attachment. The only thing strong enough to break that is your children calling you daddy. 

1 minute ago, My Thai Life said:

And as David Cameron has already explained to you via my quote from the Guardian, 228,000 muslim women in the UK have no Engish skills or very limited English skills. Clearly that would put them some way below B1, more like pre A1 or A1.

 

It would seem that the policy you are referring to has failed.

But the census stats say differently...so for the third time, is it 6% or, as Cameron suggests, 22%? Surely you must be cherry picking the article if you are not looking at both sides of the article. 

1 minute ago, My Thai Life said:

No, I was trying to follow your line of reasoning, and give you a quantification of the size of the problem.

 

But now that you see that the reality of the situation does not align with your claims, you try to change the subject to suit your agenda.

So is it 6% as the census says or 22%? What is the size of the problem? 

2 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

I quoted the article verbatim, again:

 

"He [Cameron] outlined the plan in an interview with the BBC Radio 4 Today programme, claiming there were 38,000 Muslim women who could not speak English and 190,000 with limited skills in the language."

But later in the same article it says the census stats said only 6% of Muslim women struggled with the English language. Cameron suggested 22%. Which figure is it? 

3 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"I bet if the women gave the wanted answer of my husband is forcing me, they would be all over these stories...they do not give that answer"

 

Any person that was frightened enough to wear something insisted upon by the person/people of whom they are frightened - is hardly likely to answer the question!

 

I've obviously no idea why a very few women presumably choose to wear the niqab, but it's hard to imagine that 'conditioning' doesn't play a part in the decision.  Or perhaps it's anger (for some obscure reason) at the countries they live in having the audacity to ban this pointless article of 'clothing'....  And let's be clear here, whilst some posters refer to it as a veil, it's not.  Its something that completely hides the face, other than the eyes.

 

The most important point is that it separates them from the majority of those in the country in which they live (thereby making the chance of integration nigh on impossible) and, is a physical expression of the misogyny in their own 'culture'.  Which is understandably abhorrent to most people in the countries in which they now live.

Integration works or doesn't work depending on how hard the government of the day works. Melbourne has a few issues with African gangs at the moment. The writing was on the wall many years ago, the issues were expressed by the Africans, the government didn't put in the hard yards so issues came about. It is the same everywhere, if you ignore people or put them in a place, which is usually lower than everyone else, their will be issues. 

I don't think you quite fully understand choice of dress. I suggest you go and look into it deeper. Women within the same family even differ on what they do and do not wear when living in the West. Personally, I am not scared of people if I cannot see their face. I have no problems talking to the locals who cut my grass protecting themselves from the sun. 

26 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Yes-a very good post.

 

Not one Thai child that I knew had been taught about proper road safety either by their parents or,indeed,anyone else.

Yet another grotesque failure of the Thai (for what it is worth) education system.

 

No.."Look to right/left/right (or reverse)...

 

Given the fact that I was nearly flattened in the US (Winston Churchill was) I ruefully understand the importance of early training drilled into my numbskull..

 

The schools in Thailand have totally abandoned -if they ever possessed any notion of it in the first place-the safety of their children.

I do it holding my 2 year old when crossing the road (make her look left and right), but I also do it when she is walking at Tesco. At the end of each aisle I get her to stop and look left/right before continuing. Make her wait if trolleys or people are coming. Thai look at me like I am a nutter or the most strict father in the world as I am not letting her run around blind. Do it purely to get the habit of stopping and looking as she obviously cant fully comprehend the concepts yet. Lifelong habits are formed in the first 9 years of life from memory. Also a good way to teach left/right. 

Before moving here I used to ignorantly think that these things just came naturally, well not naturally, but not so much of an importance placed on them as we are taught them at an age we cannot really remember. Oh how I was wrong lol.