Bkk Brian

Just now, BobBKK said:

 The claim is worth as much as your 31,000 claim - we don't know the truth. What we do know is Ukraine is losing heavily, and we want PEACE.

I provide a link, he did not. No it is not worth the same as much as you want it to be

Just now, BobBKK said:

 Of course, the lying Zelensky said it - which makes it worthless. The point is they are running out of people to fight - people don't want to die in this proxy war. Thousands have fled abroad. I think the figure of 400,000 is much more likely to be right - but who really knows?

 

IIs it as worthless as the 300 - 400k figure?

The actual estimate of Ukraine deaths is 50,000 by the way

Just now, BobBKK said:

 Are you seriously suggesting 31,000 dead?  I mean seriously?  I just cannot believe what I read here. Sometimes, it's so immature. Ukraine is running OUT of people to fight - changing conscription rules -do you occasionally read the news? (I don't mean MSNBC, CNN).

What's that got to do with me asking for a link to his claim that 300-400k are dead?

Unbelievable. The WHO is just as bad as the UN

https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1790325530044010628

The new data released last week attributes close to 10,000 reported deaths as coming from “reliable media sources,” and also reduces by more than half the number of women and children that it previously said had been killed during the war.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/who-defends-gaza-death-toll-figures-following-revision/

They are are also still not acknowledging the 14,000 Hamas fighters killed in those figures and the hundreds killed by Hamas's own rockets that failed.

3 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Sure, if proven to be true. Personally I very much doubt the 1:1 ratio given the extremely close proximity of civilians to Hamas targets and the power of weapons used. You only have to look at the size of craters and local housing destruction by the 2000ib bombs; looks like the Russian / Syrian bombing of Aleppo in Syria.

However you are taking a 1:1 quote out of context and not followed the link to it

That would mean some 18,000 civilians have died in Gaza, a ratio of roughly 1 combatant to 1.5 civilians. Given Hamas' likely inflation of the death count, the real figure could be closer to 1 to 1. Either way, the number would be historically low for modern urban warfare.

https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286

16 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

UN says total number of deaths in Gaza remains unchanged after controversy over revised data

The United Nations on Monday clarified that the overall number of fatalities in Gaza tallied by the Ministry of Health in Gaza remains unchanged, at more than 35,000, since the war broke out between Israel and Hamas on October 7.

The number was reduced because the UN says it is now relying on the number of deceased women and children whose names and other identifying details have been fully documented, rather than the total number of women and children killed. The ministry says bodies that arrive at hospitals get counted in the overall death count.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/13/middleeast/death-toll-gaza-fatalities-un-intl-latam/index.html

 

The ministry says bodies that arrive at hospitals get counted in the overall death count.

Except that:

April 6 report said that Hamas had “incomplete data” for 11,371 of the 33,091 recorded Palestinian deaths it claims, and is missing one or more key data points including identity number, full name, date of birth, or date of death. In a report three days earlier, the ministry admitted the “incompleteness” of 12,263 records. It was not immediately clear why, after three more days, that figure dropped to 11,371.

Before its admissions of incomplete data, the ministry asserted that the information in more than 15,000 fatality records had stemmed from “reliable media sources.” However, the ministry never identified the sources in question and Gaza has no independent media.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1325030-hamas-admits-one-third-of-its-data-on-gazan-deaths-is-‘incomplete’/

24 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Hamas supports an end to the occupation, illegal land theft by settlers, collective punishment, and generally bad behaviour by israelis against Palestinians, which has been going on since 1947. While they would like a ceasefire I doubt if "peace" is a priority  for them. Welcome to the forever war.

You do enjoy speaking on behalf of Hamas, what does that make you again?

“It is really important to note that Hamas says they want everyday to be like October 7th…I don’t see how the Israelis have any other option but to destroy Hamas in Rafah…Just yesterday the Israeli Defense Forces did a limited operations in Rafah, destroyed 10 tunnels. This is were Hamas’s leadership is cowering, this is where they are holding the hostages…” - LTG (ret) McMaster, former U.S. National Security Adviser

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Calm down now.

 

Step back, take a another look and see if you can see which civilian population is currently the subject of ‘carnage’.

 

That was always the Hamas plan, if they released the hostages it would all stop.

Biden says there would be a ceasefire in Gaza ‘tomorrow’ if Hamas frees hostages

https://www.timesofisrael.com/biden-says-there-would-be-a-ceasefire-in-gaza-tomorrow-if-hamas-frees-hostages/

10 minutes ago, Galong said:

You're making that up! You have no evidence and are only taking Israel's word for this. Netanyahu is NOT ALLOWING ANY MEDIA COVERAGE! He doesn't want the international community to see what his troops are doing. Besides, if 'some' Hamas terrorists are hiding among civilians, does that really JUSTIFY KILLING CIVILIANS to get to the bad guys?  That's a barbaric position!  That's the simplistic 'kill them all and let god sort them out'. That might look cool to some on a t-shirt, but it's evil.

Hama should be tried before the international court soon. What Isreal is doing is happening right now and it needs to stop before anything can go forward.

 

Besides, if 'some' Hamas terrorists are hiding among civilians, does that really JUSTIFY KILLING CIVILIANS to get to the bad guys?

They are virtually all hiding among the civilians, you need to do some research. 

[Joint Chiefs chairman Mark Milley]

"Milley added that in his own experience, “war is a horrible thing” and that such a war fought in “dense urban areas” inevitably would produce “very high levels of collateral damage,” appearing to reference the significant destruction in the Strip amid the military offensive against Hamas, which is taking place in densely populated Gaza.

“There’s almost no way around it, but if there’s any morality at all, you need to get into it, achieve your political objectives, get it done, get it done fast, and get it over with,” he said."

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-us-army-chief-defends-israels-oct-7-response-can-you-imagine-what-we-would-do/

How do you suggest getting Hamas?

1 minute ago, Gweiloman said:

You know that is a lie, how? In your words, a B.S statement. You don’t know anymore or less than other posters, in spite of what you think.

 

At the end of the day, what any of us think or believe is not going to make one iota of difference to what’s going to happen.

Its up to him to prove it, not me, until then it remains a lie

14 minutes ago, VBer said:

That is also lie. This is obvious to anyone who follows situation.

I follow the situation, I cannot say it is a lie and as I said, your link does NOT confirm it but I do know this was a lie:

while the estimated deaths in Ukrainian army is 300-400k. 

13 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Are you Israeli?

What business is it of yours what nationality he is? Are you Hamas?

31 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

UN revises Gaza death toll, almost 50% less women and children killed than previously reported

https://www.foxnews.com/world/un-revises-gaza-death-toll-50-less-women-children-killed-previously-reported

Direct quote from UN:

“The revisions are taken … you know, of course, in the fog of war, it’s difficult to come up with numbers,” Haq told JNS. “We get numbers from different sources on the ground, and then we try to cross check them. As we cross check them, we update the numbers, and we’ll continue to do that as that progresses.”

https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/jns/un-blames-fog-of-war-for-major-overcounting-of-gazan-child-fatalities/article_4f4fe664-3f78-59f1-aa35-83e67c784323.html

23 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Unbelievable that some are still thinking the war started only last year. 

Facts are not a thing for you are they.

1 hour ago, Social Media said:

Opinion: John Bolton former US National Security Advisor

Also seems to be Cameron's opinion

UK ban on selling arms to Israel would strengthen Hamas, says Cameron

"Just to simply announce today that we will change our approach on arms exports, it would make Hamas stronger and it would make a hostage deal less likely," he adds.

He said he wanted instead to focus on "hammering away every day" on getting humanitarian aid into Gaza.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68999212

UK’s FM: Hostage deal is ‘right answer’ to ending war, the ‘problem goes back to Hamas’

British Foreign Secretary David Cameron says that a deal to secure the release of the hostages held in Gaza is “the right answer” to end the war between Israel and Hamas.

“My view is that the right answer is to try and stop the fighting by having a hostage deal, achieving a pause in the fighting and then using that to build a sustainable ceasefire without going back to further conflict,” Cameron tells Sky News.

“But the problem is it goes back to Hamas,” he says. “Hamas have been offered a deal which would release hundreds of prisoners from Israeli jails, that would provide a pause in the fighting… and they’re not taking that deal.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/uks-fm-hostage-deal-is-right-answer-to-ending-war-the-problem-goes-back-to-hamas/

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Sacrifice the hostages for the sake of peace. Surely a few hundred are worth tens of thousands of women and children. 

UN has an update for you. The main stream media seems to be very late in getting this out. Figures for women and children have been halved. Stop believing Hamas and no, that's a vile thought to sacrifice hostages.