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13 minutes ago, sanemax said:
British people will then stop buying expensive EU products and either go without or start making the things themselves , which will benefit the UK economy
Try and think this through. EU people will buy less of our more expensive goods as well. We will both suffer the loss of trade, but they will be much better placed to cope with this than we are because our manufacturing industry is smaller than Italy's and we are basically a service industry economy.
I hope Brexiteers will enjoy going back to apples, carrots, and turnips, since there are many things we simply can't grow, or no longer have the skills to make.
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53 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:To be fair in 2016 nobody talked about no custom union etc. All that came much later.
I think the largest single problem about the UK having any decent trade agreement with the EU in the future is the mind boggling inadequacy of our team, lead by Boris the buffoon and Raab the idiot. These excuses for human beings have no idea what negotiation actually means. All we have so far is tub thumping bluster about rejecting EU standards for goods, great for the Tory gutter press, but useless to the ordinary citizen in the street. They won't buy our goods if they don't meet their perfectly reasonable standards. I would expect that if we had higher standards on any of our goods than they do, they would make an effort to meet our standards in order to sell to us, or come to a mutually agreeable arrangement. That's what adults do, unfortunately we don't seem to have any on our side.
Alternatively we can sell out to the US and eat their lovely chlorinated chicken in return.
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2 hours ago, yogi100 said:Western ex pats and long termers in Thailand contribute to the economy and in the vastly overwhelming majority of cases are law abiding.
The same cannot be said about the gimmegrants who make their way to the West from the four corners of the world. People don't like it and those who are not scared of being called racists are saying so.
Just the other day near where I live in London a radical Muslim stabbed three innocent people before the police shot him dead. He had previous form and was already on the suspect list yet our spineless politicians allowed him to remain living among us.
And some apparently including yourself call people 'Neo Fascists' simply because they object to this behaviour and all the other incidents we witness and hear about on a daily basis.
The world renowned BBC even had to eat humble pie and cancel Crimewatch UK because the program exposed the amount of crimes committed by foreign immigrants, asylum seekers and refugees etc. The BBC was and still is an advocate for a multicultural society even though the crimes depicted on Crimewatch were and still are a major embarrassment to their political agenda.
I'm afraid you totally missed my point. I was talking about Xenophobia, and how it relates to the subject of the thread, not relative contributions to the economy. The Xenophobia you have illustrated perfectly in your post.
This thread has nothing to do with terrorism in London, I suggest that you start another discussion on that if you want.
However if you want to focus on immigrant contributions, which could conceivably be the background to the health ministers ire, I would briefly say this.
Expats living in Thailand (Immigrants in fact) do contribute to the economy in a limited way by buying food, renting condos, etc. It appears that the majority are retired, and don't work, and it certainly appears it is only a small minority who actually work in Thailand and contribute to the economy by paying taxes.
By contrast Immigrants to the UK are major net contributors to the economy. The vast majority are in work and pay taxes. These are government statistics, look them up.
The highly unpleasant word "gimmegrants" no doubt arose in the fevered brain of some sad hack working for the Tory gutter press (Many have sold their souls to Rupe the antichrist).
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1 hour ago, Miami007 said:
Spidermike. 11 hours ago
An arrogant person considers himself perfect. This is the chief harm of arrogance. It interferes with a person's main task in life - becoming a better person.
Leo Tolstoy
“Patriotism is, fundamentally, a conviction that a particular country is the best in the world because you were born in it….”
— George Bernard Shaw
“Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.”
— Arthur Schopenhauer
“Nationalism is an infantile thing. It is the measles of mankind.”
— Albert Einstein
Yes, and also.............The problem in all of this is that many European countries went round the globe in the colonial era, turning people into 2nd class citizens (If not slaves) in their own countries. Exploiting their raw materials and cheap labour, and indoctrinating them with our unpleasant, guilt ridden, Middle Eastern religion.
We never ceased making it clear that we were superior people, and sadly from TV posts it looks like many Farangs living in Thailand still actually believe that they are superior still. Without commenting on the man behind this unacceptable remark, we would be idiots not to realise that there is still a great deal of resentment among people who get the 2nd class citizen message from us. Why are we surprised?
Of course a sensible person judges people from different parts of the world on the way they behave as an individual, not on the way their nation behaved in the past.
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1 minute ago, melvinmelvin said:
May?
Guessing that wasn't trial in the month of May, but Theresa May, or maybe a clever double meaning. I believe the Dickson file was handed by Thatcher to Leon Brittan and it was brushed under the carpet. There was talk of a paedo ring. Later the document had mysteriously disappeared.
Don't quite me on this, from memory not from Google.
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16 minutes ago, Nip said:6 hours ago, BestB said:And this is where our spineless western governments need to do something. Imagine if a health minister in UK or AU or US said he would never apologise to asians ? There would be outrage and most likely riots not to mention letters of protest from every Asian country , but when tables are turned , our spineless governments keep quite
17 minutes ago, Nip said:I for one have lodged a written complaint with my embassy. Pointless yes but I feel better. I learnt a long time ago that when you anger a Thai you realise what they really feel about you. Thais are incapable of taking blame and saying sorry. I see it in my son who is a 50/50. Is this guy not the deputy prime minister?
Yes, thank you gents, this aspect of it drew my attention also. You would feel that there might have to come a time when the EU, US, AUS, and UK Ambassadors get together and ask Thailand if they really wan't to sell us their shrimp etc, if they carry on making it harder and harder for Farangs to live in Thailand. Rip off compulsory health insurance being one example. The Germans might like to speak to one of their residents.
However I doubt that this is the cause celebre that we want to nail our colours to the mast over, irritating as it may be.
Sadly we in the "West" are no shining examples when it comes to Xenophobia. Brexit has increased it dramatically, the US inspired by Trump have increased the anti-Mexican sentiments. Populist Neo Fascist parties are on the rise across Europe........no need to go on really.
Maybe another issue is to what extent the leaders and Bangkok elite have sold their country to the Chinese.
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On 2/6/2020 at 7:30 PM, englishoak said:
Whoa slow down with your stawman BS
I specifically avoided mentioning a party or a nation .Thats why i said another scumbag MP without even mentioning the SNP let alone highlighting the country, its a Scottish political thread and its a Scottish scumbag MP. Thaivisa isnt going to report it, if you thought it meant anything other than the facts then you are projecting. Or are you trying to excuse scum like him by pointing at others ? i doubt it but you are being overly sensitive. All pedos found guilty should end up doing the Tyburn jig imo
Trust me if I wanted to say scottish SNP pedo scumbag or thought they had a pedo monopoly I would have done so, get some air pal your clearly not thinking straight.
Kindly calm down, The point I was making, was simply that sadly this type of thing is not at all rare in politics. If you have hundreds of MPs or MSPs some will be paedos (English not US spelling) or gay, or whatever same as in the general population.
"I specifically avoided mentioning a party or a nation".
Let's not be silly, the thread is about Scotland, your post said "Derek Mackay: Scottish finance secretary".
"Or are you trying to excuse scum like him by pointing at others ?". This is offensive, I don't excuse him, or anyone like him, and never indicated in any way that I did.
I said that it was an embarrassment for The SNP before......it is, a big one. The greater matter though is his personal behaviour, disgrace, and possible criminality. You will probably note that most Con, Lab, Lib, and SNP MPs have stopped striking a self righteous pose when a member of an opposite party does things like this, let those without sin ......ect.
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1 hour ago, englishoak said:
Another scumbag borderline pedo MP bites the dust.
Derek Mackay: Scottish finance secretary quits over messages to boy
An embarrassment for the SNP no doubt.
Of course it is virtually unknown for members of any other political party to behave like this.
https://timetostartcaring.com/a-list-of-members-of-parliament-convicted-of-sex-offences/
hmm maybe not.
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9 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:
Your reality is false. Learn some history - the Jews have existed there for thousands of years - heard of Jesus?
Palestinian Muslims primarily practice Shafi'i Islam, which is a branch of Sunni Islam - a very violent branch.
Stop watching left wing media and websites - they are fake news and lie.
"Stop watching left wing media and websites - they are fake news and lie."
I don't need to be told what to watch by you or anyone, it appears you think you are someone special, giving out instructions.
The fake news line is Trumps favourite, this from a man who has told 10,000 plus verifiable lies in just a few years in office. The fake news comes from Breibart, and Fox. When you sent Rupert Murdock to the West you poisoned the world with the spawn of Satan.
Odd that you choose Mel Gibson for your personal picture, one of the worlds most famous anti-semites.
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20 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:The reality of the situation is that the 'palestinians' are a terrorist hate group that are funded by Iran with the sole purpose of 'fighting' against Isreal. They never missed the opportunity to miss an opportunity (for peace) because they dont want peace - they want a never ending war - it is what they are and what they do. IMO the only solution is to cut off their funding - Iran. But that is something that would cause far more problems then they are worth - so the game continues ????
The reality of the situation is that Israel is a pariah state funded by the US taxpayer, whose sole purpose is stealing the land that belongs to other people claiming, that their sky fairy gave them the right to do it.
The Palestinians have been supported by many, many countries, and only by Iran amongst them, relatively recently. Many people who love selling arms to the head choppers of Saudi refuse to see that most terrorist organisations (Including ISIS and Al Qaeda) are in fact Sunni not Shia.
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7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:
To become petrol car free means people have to buy a new electric car. That's millions of new cars in "10 years" ( your claim ). Even if everyone could afford to buy one, which they can't, where is all the raw material to make those millions of cars going to come from? The materials are rare and sourced in few places. China is the biggest producer of rare earth materials- they ain't going to make it easy for foreign countries to get.
Even if everyone could buy one, where is the power to charge them coming from? You do know that Holland uses coal to make electricity, don't you?
Where is all the raw material to make those millions of cars going to come from? ...........The same place as the raw materials to make the same number of petrol cars they are replacing came from. The rare earth metals (Only used in small quantities in these cars, more important in mobile phones etc) were not entirely grabbed by China, and the West woke up and found some more deposits - it's an old story. Can you imagine millions of people buying electric cars and all being blissfully ignorant of where the power comes from? The Netherlands are reducing their reliance on fossil fuels just like other sane countries are.
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7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:
Inventing much?
Why would you think I expect "respect" from some child that I've never met?
One day she's going to wake up and realise that the adults that should have cared for her stole her childhood to further their agenda.
Oh Dear, read my comment again saying don't take it personally, general comment etc.
One day she's going to wake up and realise that the adults that should have cared for her stole her childhood to further their agenda....................you won your free pass to the daft conspiracy theory club.
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3 hours ago, Logosone said:
Oh come on, the decline of British industry has nothing to do with the EU. It long pre-dated EU membership. British industry was in decline by the 70s already, in fact that was part of the reason why you were so desperate to join the Common Market at the time. By facilitating free circulation of goods the EU actually helped you, but the decline of British Industry was unstoppable.
In the past 30 years, the UK's manufacturing sector has shrunk by two-thirds, the greatest de-industrialisation of any major nation. <Snip>
QuoteBut the thing is this, with debt you have no way out. Your reduction in your manufacturing base has put millions of people out of work. So you have a huge percentage of the population claiming benefits. You have a huge contingent of older people, despite your ailing and terrible NHS, that will need to be funded. Not just with NHS payments, but also the UK has to go to the capital markets to fund the payouts it gives its huge older population. The younger taxpayers are syphoned as hard as possible, but their tax is not enough to fund the handouts to old age pensioners. So your debt will grow. You will keep having to go to the capital markets to get the money you pay the older population. And guess what? Moody's has already downgraded the UK.
Yes the manufacturing decline is simply a matter of historical record, no amount of flag waving hysteria will change that. Possibly singing "Lloyd George knew my father" can temporarily insulate people from the economic reality. The decline was hugely increased in the 80s by Thatcher, when high interest rates made it impossible for UK manufacturers to retool and compete with the Japanese. Germany and others did.
My major concern is the demographic problem alluded to in the last paragraph above. We are not the only country with boomers, and our unemployment rates are not dramatically higher than many other countries. How are the young taxpayers going to support a vast army of pensioners, a huge mass of people on benefits*, and all the other state employees who have negotiated for themselves large underfunded occupational pensions, (While the basic state pension, which is all 31% have, is the lowest in the OECD). The answer is they can't, so we have to borrow large amounts of money all the time.
Our NHS has been seriously underfunded for a long time, and if the Tories get their way they will simply sell it to the US, but to describe it as terrible is way over the top. We are still proud of it, and the wonderful dedicated staff. Sadly Brexit is causing many of the best to leave.
* No this is not immigrants, every government survey shows that they are NET CONTRIBUTORS to the UK economy.
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7 hours ago, nauseus said:
Looks like we do a lot better on trade ex EU.
And why don't you show the national debt/GDP charts too?
4 hours ago, Logosone said:You have failed to grasp the underlying fundamental issue at hand. The UK's economy is 80% services. It produces few goods others want. So you will not do better with the trade deficit outside the EU. You are now a nation of servants, you have nothing to trade with, goodswise. Only services. It will just get harder for the UK to sell its services outside the EU to its main trading partners, as that chart you posted shows that is the EU. <snip>
4 hours ago, sharksy said:UK is still a major manufacturer, no 6 in the world I believe?
I have no idea why this graph was chosen, as it goes against the case that you are trying to make. We have a current account deficit with ALL the places mentioned. We do more trade with the EU than anywhere else so the deficit is bigger - simples. Stopping trading with the EU will reduce that debt, but as Logosone has correctly pointed out we are no longer a leading manufacturing nation. Services is most of what we do and what we sell. Since late 1990s when we were 5th in manufacturing, we managed to lose our place. "The country’s relatively strong showing in 2015 follows a long slide down the global manufacturing pecking order as developing nations made inroads" *
We are now 8th. Our output declined from around 4% of global output to 2.1%
As I said "Stopping trading with the EU will reduce that debt". however we will still have to buy what we need from SOMEWHERE, the overall debt remains the same.
"And why don't you show the national debt/GDP charts too?" I'm not going to display any graphs, but on debt I would say this:-
Britain has the 2nd largest overall debt in the world, after the US. It is much higher per capita, and as a % of GDP, than similarly sized countries in EU, Germany, Italy, France and Spain.
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2 minutes ago, izod10 said:
Written by a true Scotsman . basically all I want from Scotland is a departure date ,and it cannot be quick enough
Tomorrow is fine by me.
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4 hours ago, izod10 said:You are an idiot. Germany,power centre of europe if not the universe. Why would this be? Cheap cheap currency for them to manufacture,nothing else,held down by Greece, Italy,Spain Portugal
Hangers on from eastern Europe,yes get shut,will morph into its traditional ways,wars,killings the lot
Ireland? back to spud pickin'
Attacking the messenger is generally considered an unacceptable approach, which tends to indicate the paucity of your argument.
1 hour ago, nauseus said:But it looks like you are fluent in it?
I find what he writes to be clearly and coherently argued, with his analysis supported by reference to actual documents. You would I expect disagree with what he wrote, but it is well written and easy to understand. Try reading it again with your bias hat off, and compare it to the quote above from izod10, which is just a bundle of prejudices, written in a style that actually does make it sound gibberish.
54 minutes ago, izod10 said:When a trade deficit each year of 93 billion,38 billion to belong to that club think its time to pack up and choose our own destiny. The Uk now has the potential to destroy the EU,.especially all the countries that border the North sea,no imports from France ,Italy,prospects look decidedly grim in EU land,especially Germany,and Id add Ireland is about to booted back not just to the dark ages but back to the stone age
Comparing India to UK,another duh,...India has major major problems and no idea how to solve them
You are jealous,get over yourself
"The Uk now has the potential to destroy the EU".
What colour is the sky on your planet?
The UK economy is a fraction of the size of the EU economy (Even without us)
Why would we be unpleasant enough to want to destroy the EU even if we could. They will still be major trading partners, and trade benefits us all.
Yes India does have some problems, currently many of their own making. That hasn't stopped their economy expanding fast. They are forecast to overtake us in GDP very soon, as France has done already. So we will then be Number 7 in the world, and with the idiotic economy destroying Brexit in place will fall faster and further towards insignificance. It's the governments own recent analysis that says that, not me.
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5 hours ago, smedly said:<snip>
Scotland and SNP has nothing to do with the EU - it is an inherent hate for anything English resurrected in Scotland by a "Republican movement" not dissimilar to N.Ireland's republicans, they don't care about the benefits of being in the UK as one nation - they don't tell the truth about what their so called independence would really mean - they would expect the UK to maintain support just as it is now lol
The reality is somewhat different, just like the Republic of Ireland they refuse to accept or admit to the benefits they receive - the ROI has a rude awakening coming and quite frankly so does Scotland if they follow the SNP into oblivion
Scotland would take with it a share of total UK debt which they would be paying off for decades - inward investment from the UK would cease - they would not qualify to join the EU - I would await them begging to rejoin the United Kingdom were they belong
Stupid people
I can't remember reading such an ill informed load of distorted garbage for a long time. Served up in a sauce of mindless petty aggression, to boot.
It is tragic that any person or country should be so self centred that they only see other peoples behaviour and viewpoint as a reaction to their own. Scotland is friends with the EU which many of us see as being much more civilised in it's outlook than an England ruled by a bunch of selfish toffs.
Many people in Scotland - a majority going by the latest polls - simply want to go their own way. It is nothing to do with inherent hate of the English. We don't give a tinkers cuss about you one way or the other. Your sad inward looking form of nationalism, has become a self-regarding obsession, which is acutely boring to us.
"The reality is somewhat different, just like the Republic of Ireland they refuse to accept or admit to the benefits they receive". They trade with you, they are not in receipt of benefits,
"the ROI has a rude awakening coming and quite frankly so does Scotland if they follow the SNP into oblivion".
Oh dear, you hate the Irish as well.
ROI has been doing rather well lately, maybe you haven't noticed. This rude awakening you feel they deserve has been a long time coming, nearly 100 years in fact. Odd that they feel no desire to rejoin the glorious motherland. Possibly killing a large number of their people who wanted freedom didn't endear you to them. Some people are strange like that.
I must be one of your "Stupid people". I would be astonished if Scotland, like every other part of the empire that has gained independence, ever begged to rejoin England.
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1 hour ago, Boombum said:
Surely nobody is taking the alleged conovirus seriously ?? its a manufactured virus from the Rockerfella controlled Big Pharma as an excuse to VAXX poison into the population ....que Bill Gates and his amazingly quickly developed VAXX... China being an easy target with a compliant subordinate population ....perhaps if the Actual Statistics were revealed about the no of Deaths caused by the Vaxs we would see where the REAL health risk is!!
so far more lives are lost in one week on Thai roads..
I thought this was in jest, but it appears that you might be serious. I thought you were trying to mimic what a stark raving mad conspiracy theorist would say, but maybe you actually believe what you wrote.
Vaccines have saved the lives of billions of people. Deaths are a tiny number, and none that I have heard of, have been caused by the vaccine itself, rather it has been given to someone with depressed immunity by oversight.
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7 hours ago, RuamRudy said:Lots of upset in the indy camp today after NS's relatively uninspiring statement on the future plans for a referendum. Looks like her jacket may be on a shoogly nail with the rank and file SNP members. Joanna Cherry is getting a lot of attention at the moment.
My niece works in Holyrood as a personal advisor. She says that the "Hotheads" that are pushing Cherry are generally viewed to have jumped the gun, and - at least partially - blown it for the time being. Nicola has been in power for some time, she is canny and shrewd, that is what it takes to remain at the top. She is a realist, and knows that we still need to build support. If Corbyn hadn't been so utterly useless we might have had a hung parliament, and a referendum could have been bargained for. As it is he will probably be secretly celebrating tonight as the Brexit he has worked so hard for comes to pass.
Your stats are interesting, and relate to a question that Sean o' Grady discussed in an article about rejoining the EU in the future (Independent)*. Both show the bulk of Brexit support, and Unionist support in Scotland, coming from the over 65s. The 25s to 65s are more equal, and the under 25s overwhelmingly anti Brexit and pro independence. The argument that I read said that, although the logic is more younger voters and less older voters will change the picture, people tend to get more conservative as they grow older. This may not be the case, who expected c.60% of the English working class to vote Tory this time. A more important factor though is that the boomers are exactly that, part of a boom. As we/they leave for the hereafter, they will be replaced by a much smaller number of post boomers, who have drifted to the right over the years. I probably won't see it, but I do anticipate a drift back from the current twisted populism and Neo fascist politics that has spread it's foul influence on many countries in the world.
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3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:
I'll be very happy to see everyone that lives in a city HAVING to give up their polluting gas guzzlers and drive electric cars or take public transport. They prefer driving a big car by themselves than taking the bus or the train.
Of course, electric cars will be completely unaffordable for the vast majority of people to buy, so it'll take till all the petrol powered cars to rust out before electric cars make a difference. I'd say most people in NZ drive second hand cars, which are very cheap, but how long till electric cars are that cheap? Then, if the batteries need replacing, who would be mug enough to buy them?
Anyone living in the country won't be forced to give up their petrol car as an electric car doesn't have the range to be used.
My son just bought an electric car, it was about €25k I believe, I've never bought a new car, but I believe that's not an over the top price. Amsterdam will be petrol car free in 10 years time apparently.
How long did it take us to get petrol cars to be as efficient as they are today - 100 years or so. Technological improvements don't just stop, electric cars are getting better all the time.
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3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:
I'm amazed that anyone thinks a 16 year old has the experience and wisdom to "change the world". Some of us can see that she's a puppet for adults to use for their agenda, IMO.
That she is popular with other kids is not surprising. I'd have supported anyone that got me out of boring school.
Afraid, hardly; scornful, yes.
I'd love one of the school kid "experts" to come and try to debate me, but of course none ever do.
They can’t dismantle her arguments,
Since when was accusing me of "stealing her dreams" an argument? It's what I'd expect a child to say when having a tantrum.
I may have missed them, but I haven't heard a single solution come out of her mouth.
frankly, she has bigger worries on her mind.
I made the point some time ago that she's a kid and should be enjoying her childhood, not running around thinking she's important, but I've seen the sly grin she has when she has a bunch of reporters clustered around her- she's lovin' it.
When she grows up and the attention has moved on to the next big thing, she's going to become extremely depressed, IMO, when no one takes any notice of her anymore.
It appears from your replies that - unfortunately - you didn't really get it. You confirm precisely that older men with computers are getting irritated that this young girl is not treating them with the respect that they believe their "wisdom" and seniority deserve.
"Since when was accusing me of "stealing her dreams" an argument?" .........don't take it personally, it was a general comment, saying that the older generation as a whole have damaged the environment, that she and her generation will inherit. It was a statement not an argument, and of course like most statements it is only part of the picture.
"When she grows up and the attention has moved on to the next big thing, she's going to become extremely depressed, IMO, when no one takes any notice of her anymore."
I think your crystal ball is overheating, maybe check your blood pressure.
If climate change continues at the current rate (Unprecedented temperature increases over a relatively short time period) there is no way it is not going to carry on being the "Big thing".
" Some of us can see that she's a puppet for adults to use for their agenda, IMO".
If it is IMO, then what you really mean is:- I can see that she's a puppet etc...........clever you.
Given the vitriolic attacks she is endlessly subjected to I think she needs to have some supportive adults around her.
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1 hour ago, MRTELLYOUSTRAIGHT said:
I think this belongs on the climate change/Greta thread!
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8 hours ago, webfact said:He said British Prime Minister Boris Johnson promised him there would be no so-called 'level playing field' clauses on fair competition in the new EU-UK deal, highlighting a major point of contention with the bloc in the coming talks.
I always thought Farage was a moderately intelligent, though rather common sort of Arthur Daily creep in the Home Counties "Gin and Jaguar belt" style. Now he believes something Boris told him.......I think he needs medical help.
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1 hour ago, TheDark said:England and the people who identify themselves as English will be on their own from now on. Well, not all alone, as it's best buddy Wales will be forever with England on this new journey, which is about to start.
Go and conquer the world, like in the good old times!
Well there is a vastly diminished industrial base already, which is getting smaller all the time. The city, our greatest earner, will have to threaten 7 shades of hell to Boris for us to keep a foot in the EU financial market. Maybe conquering the world again would be a great plan for all those who still believe in the Empire..............whoops we don't have the armed forces to do it. Maybe we should take a leaf out of Mexico's book and revert to being the greatest drug pushers in the world as we were in the 19c. The hedge funds would love it.
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UK plans to introduce border controls on EU goods after post-Brexit transition
in World News
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Err not exactly
Washing chicken in chlorine and other disinfectants to remove harmful bacteria was a practice banned by the European Union (EU) in 1997 over food safety concerns, the ban has stopped virtually all imports of US chicken meat which is generally treated by this process.
It's not consuming chlorine itself that the EU is worried about - in fact in 2005 the European Food Safety Authority said that "exposure to chlorite residues arising from treated poultry carcasses would be of no safety concern", but the EU believes that relying on a chlorine rinse at the end of the meat production process could be a way of compensating for poor hygiene standards - such as dirty or crowded abattoirs.