Nigel Garvie

Radio interviewer: Do you think Brazil's 1970 team could beat today's Argentina?

Pelé: Yes.

Interviewer: By how much?

Pelé: 1-0

Interviewer: Only 1-0?

Pelé: Yes, most of us are over 75 now.

5 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Why is it that so many of those vehemently against a full proper clean whole independent Brexit are not even UK citizens?

Actually a lot of them are saying "Good riddance" if you read the full thread. 

For some reason they think that the UK is not really all that special, can't imagine why.

10 minutes ago, vogie said:

I seem to remember the Labour Party saying that they would honour the 'Democratic' vote of the UK, and while we're at it so did the Lib/Dems, but it was only the Tories that didn't renege on the vote of our electorate. Upholding a democratic vote, oh how awful.

As the Rolling Stones said, "You Can't Always Get What You Want" and coming out with posts like "one of the most ridiculed nations on earth" and the rest, is purely sour grapes from a very poor loser.

Enjoyed it then ????????????

Try reading what I said ..........."no tears here, leave".  No sour grapes, just pity.

Boris has been an incredible servant to the cause of Scottish independence, I should show some gratitude.

37 minutes ago, transam said:

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Plus, you EU flag wavers have become very tiresome, although rather amusing, telling us UK folk about our impending downfall when looking at things it seems the EU is heading to just that, failure... 

 

21 minutes ago, transam said:

You're usual stuff, how tiresome.......

Oh dear, other posters have become "Tiresome" to you, and we do try so hard to entertain. ????????

You should consider the possibility that this is a debating forum, which does not have the sole purpose of amusing you.

"telling us UK folk about our impending downfall when looking at things it seems the EU is heading to just that, failure..." I'm not quite sure where you got that info from (The Beano?), you could supply a link to a reputable paper that specialises in this subject like the Economist, or Business insider. 

24 minutes ago, vogie said:

The "people" are not getting "shafted," this government has carried out the democratic wish of the voters, they can do no more.

Indeed this government has carried out the democratic wish of the voters, which was to get "shafted".

A sacrifice that the English working class has always been blissfully happy  to pay in order to protect the financial interests of their "Betters". Long live the Queen and the ruling classes. Sad really that they never had the guts or intelligence to escape the feudal system. 

You would have to say that a favourite phrase from the "Carry On" series "They don't like it up them", was not in fact correct!

Cummings message boy Frost has been instructed to avoid meaningful negotiations, Hard Brexit was always Cumming's choice, he is a wrecker like Bannon. 

No tears here, leave, destroy your economy, watch the breakup of the UK, and enjoy your new status as one of the most ridiculed nations on Earth.

Oh God, where did we leave the gun boats!

2 hours ago, BobBKK said:

What utter NONSENSE.  ALL LIVES MATTER period.

The BLM movement is in response to vast discrimination (And murder in the case that sparked it off and others)  against black people in the US and elsewhere. Of course all lives matter, as a general statement,  but that is hardly the focus right now. Try to get your head round this. The pictures below may help.

21 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

He doesn't sound confused at all. I get it that 45 fans want to push this big lie that Biden is incompetent. What else have they got?

 

 

They've got nothing, that's the GOP tragedy of the moment. Polls are a total disaster, Trump is all over the place with his sad worn out line in vicious rhetoric. It ain't working this time Donald, you've been rumbled. Republicans might as well sit back, get in the popcorn, and watch the great lier fall apart. Maybe he'll resort to mocking the disabled again. Quite probably the Senate will go also, and decency can return to the US.

And Biden, well yes, actually he sounds pretty on the ball. We know he's no spring chicken, but plenty of younger men wouldn't be as coherent and reasoned as this. 

2 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

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At this point I would honestly consider Medicare for All if just one single mainstream politician would lay it out in a way that ticks all the boxes and the math adds up, but they dont. 

 

The Maths is unbelievably simple. Healthcare costs roughly twice as much in the US  as EVERY other advanced economy country in the world. The US system is a total scam with Doctor's, Hospitals, Insurance companies, Big Pharma, and corrupt Senators, all with their snouts in the cash trough. The ordinary US taxpayer is paying a fortune to be ripped off. It is glaringly obvious that the US could learn by studying the European systems, if only they had the humility to do that.

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Thanks - I checked out a few i.e.

 

Switzerland - compulsory private insurance

Belgium - compulsory private health insurance

Germany - mix of compulsory and private health insurance

Japan - compulsory health care financial contribution / insurance

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears compulsory private health insurance is in reality a tax funding welfare state type of universal health care. 

 

Well yes all the Northern European systems are basically similar, and mix private and public contributions, but the element of compulsion makes it a state responsibility. If you pay tax, which is then added to by the employer (Public or private) for healthcare, that is the "Welfare state" which makes said countries civilised. Unfortunately in the UK the self employed don't have this additional support.  

22 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Reuters are the same in Europe, recognised as a totally Globalist left wing organisation.

Brexit will never happen was their line.

Oh dear, a "Globalist left wing organisation". Surely you can add to this paranoid fantasy about the MSM being dominated by the left. How about gender bending, lefty, wimpy, truth hating, Marxists, for a start.

On the other hand consider that almost all the main UK Newspapers are owned by billionaires, hardly famous for their decency or concern for their fellow man. The BBC is run by Tory place people, the most recent Director General is a former Tory candidate. I don't see things being much different in the US.  

Antifa was a silly name for them to chose of course. The GOP may be - by and large - a twisted bunch of venal self serving corrupt old geezers, but they are not exactly the 3rd Reich. However I wouldn't mess with this bunch!

11 hours ago, BritManToo said:

If I were president and a private company tried to censor my posts, I would destroy that company.

(and the people that ran that company)

It is surely not the job of a president to go around destroying private companies - any of them, It is the so called "Land of the free". Of course it is embarrassing to Trump when his endless stream of twisted drivel is halted, particularly when  he clearly thinks that he is a master of social media. Having a president motivated by a personal desire for revenge is something no sane country wants.

Should there be limits on what social media can publish? Well despite Facebook's protestations (Probably motivated by cost) they should be responsible for what they allow to be seen on their platform, just like other media. No paedophilia, direct promotion of  violence, sadism, spreading of conspiracy theories harmful to life (Anti-vaxxers etc). 

How exactly you do this is a great legal and technical problem, way beyond the ability of one man,  particularly this sad excuse for a human being.

2 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

Well I would disagree, at present Scotland is part of the United Kingdom, and as such, along with the other constituents, England, Wales and Northern Ireland, uses the currency of that country, the Pound Sterling. The management of that currency and the economy is managed by the parliament of that country, Westminster, in which Scotland is fully represented. That Scotland, under the present parliament is almost entirely represented by an opposition party is true, but for much of the last 75 years it has been represented by a mix of parties, and has had influence, (some might say disproportionate influence) in the governments they have formed.

 

If you were to become an independent country, but using the currency of another, then you would have no formal role or probably influence in the management of that currency, and would therefore surrender effective control of your economy.

 

As for foreign investment and the part played by the Scottish Government, I suppose that it depends on whether the investors see themselves as investing in the UK or a separate country. If the latter then I suspect that the arrangement discussed above would put such investment in a rather different (unfavorable) light.

 

I'll throw a whole clowder of cats (just discovered a new collective noun for cats!) amongst the pigeons now; do the current Scottish Government really, really want real, full blown, independence? I ask because one of the first steps to that would be preparing and creating, or at least planning for, their own currency. I don't really see any attempt to do so. Wasn't that perhaps one of the main stumbling blocks in their proposals before the last independence referendum?

Fairly said. I am no economics expert either, but it appears that on TV expert virologists, military strategists, engineers, agriculturists, and foreign policy experts, abound. On top of that many are blessed with the 2nd sight and are able to predict the future!

I don't worry about the currency thing too much. All over the world there are countries that use another country's currency (Mainly the dollar).  I guess that the understanding is that no holder of a main currency is going to do anything to harm their own currency/wefare, to the extent that it would negatively impact on another user. I think Scotland having it's own currency (Many a mickle makes a Muckle) is a long way in the future, if at all. 

Scotland's MPs have very rarely changed the result at a UK level. Even in Blair's days his majorities were generally large enough that they didn't need Scotland.

The growing tide for independence should not be seen as an anti English thing, all of us have English friends, and most of us some family connections as well. Rather it is an anti English rule thing. If you had stopped electing so many self serving corrupt lying crooks a while back then things could well be different. Not all Scottish MPs or MSPs are faultless of course, but we have never sunk to the unimaginably foul depths now being plumbed, by Boris and Cummings et al. No wonder the rising interest in Independence.

I think this is about his friend Katy Morans who he want's to help find a man. He recommends an Australian philosophy professor ...cue the Philosophers song.

18 minutes ago, mrfill said:

There was a delightful irony in the choice of record when it left the stage - Rolling Stones - You can't always get what you want.

 

Priceless....

It should have been "You can't even get what you want", Melania sings it all the time!

1 hour ago, Phoenix Rising said:

  3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Morons. Having opened the door expect returns on Dems rallies in future. However, given Dems rallies have enough attendees to fill a small school hall it might not work as well.

4 more years

Trump is dying on his feet, no past US incumbent with polls (So many of them) even half as bad as Trump's at this stage has been re-elected. Finally the sycophantic supporters with anything resembling brains in their heads, are no longer denying that it might have a bad idea to vote for a lying, bullying, self obsessed conman, hiding a deeply disturbed petulant vindictive child inside. 

If you really believe what you say, bet on him, the odds must be wonderful, as the bookies say "There's one born every day".

4 more years certainly but in a state prison this time.