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Sometimes I wonder if the RTP are fools or geniuses? They have an amazing grasp of the art of obfuscation. It seems that on VIP cases like this and Koh Tao they give out so much wildly inaccurate information, that it becomes almost impossible for anyone to disentangle the facts from the mass of spurious wild leads and disinformation.

I wonder how long the other members of ASEAN will tolerate Thailand being a member?? My guess.. not very long.

Unfortunately, absolutely nothing will be learned from this fiasco. In fact the exact same thing could happen again tomorrow or a year from now and the end result would be the same, bomber escapes, people die, RTP faff about and achieve zilch. This cycle could go on forever and nothing will change until the RTP are rebuilt from the ground up.

More evidence if any was needed that the bomber is Thai, and has now been dropped off so he can get the train home. Can hardly believe he was still wearing yellow t-shirt though and if he was that no one remembered seeing him.

He must be an expert chameleon!

So all theories have been rejected. Yet it happened! My guess is the Junta itself engineered it to avoid elections and retain power. The lack of any progress in the investigation shows no progress is intended. The investigation is all show. It's very naive to think a military government bent on keeping power would be so cruel. A few lives mean nothing to them and they rely on being the last suspected of such a thing. This is how dictatorships are built and sustained.

Pure conspiracy theory and utter nonsense. Just exactly the same thinking and same mentality that went into the 9-1-1 government conspiracy and the MH370 conspiracy theories. The manner in which the Erawan investigation has been or is being conducted is absolutely no different than and entirely consistent with most any of the other investigations that ever take place in Thailand. No better, no worse. (And I'll leave it to some other topic to discuss just what that is ...) To keep making this oh so predictable suggestion is just an expression of the usual shrill, never-ending, ongoing, anti-govt agenda. Furthermore, it just doesn't make a grain of sense that the government would do something to undermine its own credibility and presumed ability to keep the peace, and damage tourism. Not to mention the complete atrocity on its own citizens, and even its own culture, it would constitute. No one not totally consumed with blind and unreasoning anti-government hatred could take this seriously.

I can't believe any sane or rational person would think that the present government could ever engineer or would ever engineer something so horrific against its own citizens, the idea is just ludicrous. If anything the bomb has shown the huge gaping hole in what is supposed to the nations police force and is an embarrassment for current regime if anything.

For the record, I think this has been the work of someone who is very bright but wholly misguided and inexperienced in life, lacking in any understanding of the consequences of their actions, idealistic but irrational, the aim I guess was to "attack" the current regime as retaliation for some slight they have perceived. In my mind there is only one group that fits that bill, and I would be checking there whereabouts since they were released from detention not so long ago. If the guy in yellow reminded me of anyone, it was those Dao Din students who were outraged by their loss of freedom.

^^ nice post!

More than likely bomber has returned to his normal routine, not making himself stand out is something he's pretty good at as we have so far seen.

Absolutely none of this points to bomber being anything other than Thai, someone who can easily blend in and then just go on as normal.

Is there a word in the thai language for maintenance? Or is it always buy once and forget?

In both videos, the alleged bombers are very busy with their phones.

Probably updating their status.. has anybody checked Twitter or Facebook yet? Do you think the BIB would even consider looking there for clues?

The second bomb is making me think the whole operation was a botched job performed by youngsters who didn't know what they were doing (assuming these two bombs were not pure coincidence, which is surely beyond reasonable probability).

Have we had this theory yet: that they were local amateurs operating on their own and got out of their depth? That the first bomb was intended to cause damage and a few injuries, not to kill so many people? And the guy with the second bomb, having heard about the carnage of the first, quickly lost his bottle and got rid of it in this desperate way? Students?

pretty much what I have been saying for a while now. It is just about the only theory that makes some sense

It makes complete sense to do this if the effects of the first bomb were far bigger than than the bombers intended. Maybe they didn't realise how powerful the bomb was or how much damage it would do? Previous pipe bombs in Bangkok didn't end up killing so many people, so perhaps they just got scared?

Seems likely that somewhere in between where yellow shirt was dropped off and this canal, is where the bombs were made and carried from. A deepwater explosion ie with bomb on river bed does sort of tie up with what was seen on CCTV when this device went off, as if it was anywhere near the surface having been thrown from above, it still should have caused significant damage to pontoon and passers by.

One thing I am missing from TVF finest is the obvious question what has been the reason for it...if this question is solved we might get closer to the culprit(s)...

This is the most important question isn't it? Nobody seems to be looking into why this happened, there are lots of stupid theories but none hold water.

Firstly, the photofit of the suspect could be Thai.

Secondly, the only reason that the pier bomb didn't cause casualties is because it bounced off a railing.

If the suspect wanted to get rid of it, why did it get armed and triggered? It was meant to kill.

Apparently that didn't happen. There was no bomber who threw bomb from above hitting railings or anything else, RTP are now saying bomb was"placed" into canal very shortly after Erawan Shrine explosion.

2 pages of "advice" and its obvious why some people struggle to learn Thai, only a single post with good advice that was drowned out by the rest.

Ask yourself this, how did I learn my own language? And then do the same.

If you can learn the Thai alphabet from beginning to end and pronounce all the sounds of each letter, you can learn Thai as well or probably better than anyone else here. Do not try to learn Thai by conversation alone, it does not work for some people who inflect as they talk, ( I'm talking from experience here). You need to break those words down first so you understand what you're saying properly.

So..

Learn the alphabet, use a free app on your phone, it will help you pronounce the sounds and recognize the letters.

Learn to write Thai - once you have started learning the alphabet, this is the next step, get a book, that also teaches reading writing Thai.

This is how you probably learned to speak your own language, and it really does work quite well.

Whatever the reason for the bomb was, it seems likely now that the bombers completely miscalculated the bombs effects, hence the reason no one has claimed responsibility.

I remember nobody claimed responsibility fort the grenades and shots at the protesters in 2014 and during the failed red shirt coup in 2010.

Similar pattern. Isn't it?

It has nothing in common I would say. We know nothing about motives behind this bomb, but back then the motive for throwing grenades was obvious.

And I was only half joking when in another thread I said all foreigners with curly hair would come under scrutiny. The worst type of policing ever imaginable.

Whatever the reason for the bomb was, it seems likely now that the bombers completely miscalculated the bombs effects, hence the reason no one has claimed responsibility.

Seems the one bomb did exactly as planned, the other was a dud, yes but these are not Al Quada terrorists or EU separatists who claim bombs for international press. This is internal payback- for what is the question- political or for Uighurs/ Rohingya are both likely

My feeling is to disrupt the junta govt and it is working spectacularly, knocking Prayuth's much touted economic cabinet reshuffle right off the front page.

Absolute rubbish. All bombers want the reasons for bombing to be known

absolute rubbish, many bombings all over the globe have gone unclaimed, many devices the IRA claimed to have done, were in fact done by splinter and dissident groups, who didn't broadcast their intentions, nor their ownership.

Same with the Middle East, many devices targeting Israeli's were never "claimed" there were mere suspicions as to who were behind them.

Whatever the reason for the bomb was, it seems likely now that the bombers completely miscalculated the bombs effects, hence the reason no one has claimed responsibility.

You don't miscalculate what a pipe bomb full of ball bearings and allegedly 3KG of explosives does in a high concentration of people!!!!!

then why the silence?

Do we know the timer was set to go off three minutes later or three hours later? No

Do we know if intent was to kill as many as possible or to destroy shrine? No we don't really - see above

There is no point in going to all of the trouble to make a bomb and deploy it, if no one ever knows the reasons.

Whatever the reason for the bomb was, it seems likely now that the bombers completely miscalculated the bombs effects, hence the reason no one has claimed responsibility.

Seems the one bomb did exactly as planned, the other was a dud, yes but these are not Al Quada terrorists or EU separatists who claim bombs for international press. This is internal payback- for what is the question- political or for Uighurs/ Rohingya are both likely

My feeling is to disrupt the junta govt and it is working spectacularly, knocking Prayuth's much touted economic cabinet reshuffle right off the front page.

Absolute rubbish. All bombers want the reasons for bombing to be known

Whatever the reason for the bomb was, it seems likely now that the bombers completely miscalculated the bombs effects, hence the reason no one has claimed responsibility.

If this was a powerful pipe bomb that exploded here, then the percussive force should have killed hundreds and hundreds of fish all floating to the surface,.

"Police free French man after investigation shows he is not the wanted bomber"

Did that investigation involve a tape measure and when they realised he was 6 inches too tall for the suspect, they concluded it couldn't be him?

What a bunch of clowns! Look at the size of him sat down next to that officer, there is no way in hell it could have been him.

I cannot believe anything the RTP have to say, ..ever. In fact I would look at the opposite of whatever they say and be more likely to believe it.

It would be sad but beneficial to see the photos of those killed and a short biography of their lives - to honor them. Much better than the gruesome photos offered after the explosion.

Does it say anywhere what suspects height is? This is basic stuff to assess and then state. No point in looking at 6ft foreigners if he was a midget.