Tod Daniels

There is zero chance he will not get the ban. <- meaning he WILL be banned That's the ONLY thing they are hard as nails about and the banning periods are well known and well publicized 😕

Okay boyz and squirrellz Just got confirmation from two different visa run companies who lug foreigners to Savannakhet for visas, that IF you want a year long, multi-entry Non-O visa based on marriage to a thai you DO need to show 400K baht in a thai bank account in your name only OR the equivalent in a foreign bank account. There is NO seasoning required on the funds, just has to show IN your account on the day you apply They will only sell you a single if you don't have that. That puts Savannakhet right on par with Penang in Malaysia (which requires 400K baht or the equivalent to issue the same visa). Any way you slice it, it's still a good way to get a year long, multi-entry Non-O visa based on marriage to a thai AND Just so everyone is clear, you CANNOT get a year-long, multi-entry Non-O based on raising thai children from Savannakhet, they do not issue it,

have him buy a ticket back to where ever it is he comes from, show up at the airport with 20K baht (the max the fine can be) pay the fine, sign the banning paperwork, get the 1 year ban if he's overstay under a year or get the 3 year ban if he's overstayed more than a year, and leave the country. He won't have ANY issue at all doing what I just outlined IF he gets to the airport. Can an agent help him? Unlikely, overstays are the one thing that are cut in stone, I mean you either overstayed your stamp or you didn't, and it's highly unlikely he 'forgot' he was on overstay for a year 😕 So I imagine he needs to suck it up, get the ban, go back to where he comes from, wait it out and then come back.

Okay here's how that works out, The officer is 100% correct, you do not 90 day report.. you have to be ON a visa/extension for the same reason at least 90 days. Coming in visa exempt was 30, <- as a tourist, then you changed reasons and got a 60 day visit thai family extension, you don't add those days together as they were for different reasons.. Then you got a 90 day Non-O visa <- but that visa doesn't let you stay IN thailand long enough on it's own to do a 90 day report. When you get the first yearly extension, they will put a small paper in your passport telling you WHEN you file your first 90 day report <- and it will be 90 days AFTER the date you apply for the first yearly extension The paper looks like this

You SURE you applied for a year long, multi-entry Non-O based on MARRIAGE to a thai? I ask because your VISA has the thai phrase อุปการะบุตรไทย and they write that when you get raising thai child Non-O visas NOT married to a thai Non-O's I ask because Savannakhet has NEVER issued year-long, multi-entry Non-O visas based on having a thai child

I have been to Chaengwattana FOUR times recently (within the last 3 months) with people getting year extensions and EVERY time those people had the year transaction detail report (the one that's on like dot matrix printer paper with the perforations on the edges). This was in addition to updating the bank book (when possible) the same day AND having the standard bank letter. I say when possible because one was a fixed deposit which only updates the account to show interest paid in. CASE 1 Was someone who used monthly international transfers, the officer really took time to go thru the year detail report and highlight the monthly transfers (some months had more than one but they totally 65k or more each month). CASE 2 Was banked money on a dedicated account that had NO activity for months and months and to add more confusion the old bank book was recently stolen so the new bank book only had 3 months of data.. They REALLY wanted the year detail report along with the police report on this one because the current bank book didn't show balances every month (actually neither did the year statement but they didn't say anything) CASE 3 Was banked money method with someone who has no ATM card or online app so he takes his passbook to the bank to make withdrawals. In fact he had FOUR filled bank books for this last year !! We provided copies of EACH page of EACH book. The officer asked for the year detail statement (which was EXACTLY what the copies on the bank book were transaction by transaction) in this case. I'd gotten it but told him to hold it back to see if he'd be asked for it, and he was.. CASE 4 Was fixed deposit account, and even on that (an account with NO activity but monthly interest payments) they asked for the year detail transaction report. They didn't seem to care that the bank book couldn't be updated that day though, as the last entry was interest paid the previous month. Dunno how much that helps or not, but I can say with 100% accuracy this is exactly how it went out there. I would strongly recommend if you're doing an extension at Chaengwattana, getting the bank letter AND the detail yearly transaction report along with updating the bank book the day you apply for the extension.

Since Chaengwattana went to 3 week under consideration stamps for marriage extensions they stopped asking for updated bank book. No harm in taking it, but I was there last week and they weren't asking for it. I'd say show up around 9:30-10:00, get a queue for section L-2, and you'll be done pretty quickly. Your approved paperwork is already sitting in that section waiting for you to show up on the day your u/c stamp runs out. They go pretty fast, as all you can do there is get year extensions inked in from under consideration stamps

From what I understand, appeals to a denial of entry take three business days to be decided. That means you sit in the lock up at the airport while you wait for the decision. Of the many, MANY people I have spoken to over the years who were at the airport being denied entry, I know of only three who appealed their denial, two were successful and were allowed in while one was sent back to where he had previously came from, KL I think. It's the sitting at the airport lockup for three business days that put people off of filing an appeal on a denial of entry.

I posted this on a f/b page but it goes over exactly what the O/P is asking More than a few people (especially ones with extensive entry/stay histories entering at Suvarnabhumi and Don Mueang) have been denied entry. First off denial of entry is NOT being deported. You have to be stamped IN to thailand to get deported. On a denial of entry your attempt to ENTER thailand was denied (you didn't even get stamped in ). There's some confusion how it works.. When you're denied entry the OFFICER denying you entry has the choice to do one of three things; 1 - Send you back to where you just flew in from 2 - Send you back to any country you can buy a ticket for OR 3 - Send you back to the country of passport origin. <- not all that common but can happen One thing I want to let people know is they're going to hand you a form all in thai that they want you to sign. My advice is do NOT sign it . There is nothing bad that happens if you don't sign it (no matter how much they pressure you to). If you do sign it almost 100% they WILL put a denial of entry stamp in your passport but if you don't sign it, people are reporting they don't put the DOE stamp in your passport. Of course it's still in the computer as a denied entry, but it's not visible to someone just thumbing thru your passport looking at your stamp history. One thing that people get wrong often is on a denial of entry YOU are responsible for paying your own way out, the air carrier is not responsible for your fare out. There are holding cells at both Don Mueang & Suvarnabhumi airports where you stay until your flight out. There's wifi, and you can have them get food for you. If you're denied entry at a land border, they just turn you around and send you back from where you just left. The country you just left cancels your exit stamp and you get back in there. Most every case of denial of entry (no matter what they tell you the reason is) gets the same reason code in the passport for why you were denied. Immigration Act Clause 12 subsection 2 - ไม่มีปัจจัยยังชีพตามสมควร = no reasonable means of sustenance <- no proof of funds. They will use this reason EVEN if you showed them 20K baht or the equivalent in cash At land entries IF you can't keep track and try to get a third free entry during the calendar year, you will get denied because of the immigration act clause 12, subsection 1 - ไม่มีวีซ่าเข้าประเทศ = no visa to enter thailand.. and it will say the border you were denied at Long story short denial of entry is not all that bad. I mean it's not good obviously but many many people are denied entry every week in the country. Mostly due to extensive entry/stay historys, history of being here during covid extensions, an ED or Volunteer visa (gotten during covid), foolishly picking the wrong border to try to enter at (AVOID Aranyaprathet/PoiPet) OR just not paying attention to how many free entries they've made by land so far this year. Also if you have a valid visa in your passport and are denied entry, it does NOT cancel the visa. You are free to use that visa for another entry try some other time or place Almost everyone denied entry just tries to enter again, either at another border, another airport, some get tourist visas from thai consulates and enter by land, and MOST everyone does get it. Hope this was helpful,

Think of it this way. You sign everything with your name on it, she signs everything with her name on it. So you sign the copies of the data page or you passport, your lao visa, entry stamp, the application for the Visa and she signs her Thai id, her house book listing. you BOTH sign the copies of the Kor Ror 2 & 3 marriage certificates. Take the original rose border one with you so they can see the seal on it if they ask. Also there are more than a few confirmed reports recently of people who were denied the year-long, multi-entry, non-o visa because their thai wife wasn't there. Those people were sold only a 90-day single entry People are getting around this by having their wife right a letter addressed to the Thai consulare asking that the visa be issue

@Finlaco you are a bit confused ???? NO visa in country gets "renewed" and there is no such thing as a 12 month retirement VISA inside thailand You're talking about a yearly "extension of stay" <- READ the stamp you have in your passport As Dr Jack54 correctly stated ONCE you start the 90 day reporting cycle (by doing that first report in person) you can then use the online system AND getting a new year extension isn't going to affect that ability at all You do all your 90 day reporting online at this website 90 Day Online Link

I think you have your wires crossed there Cartagena. .. ???? Many foreigners have children with thai women they are not married to and it's a process they go thru to get granted legal parental rights, has nothing to do with their "survival" in the glorious "Land 'O Thaiz" I don't quite get your question at all? What difference is it to you what visa foreigners decide to be on (marriage to a thai OR raising thai children) as long as they meet the requirements they're allowed to get those visa/extensions

AFAIK, there are no immigration offices that require the decree of parental rights from family court OR the Amphur document for a foreign father of a thai child who had the child while not married to the thai mother.. That's not a requirement that I have heard of (not even at those bs renegade offices in Nakhon Nowhere that make up their own rules ???? ) <- FWIW the Chiang Mai immigration office is a pretty straight up, no nonsense office that doesn't go out of it's way to "break your balls" when applying for extensions. Strange the O/P had the issues they did BUT I will concur if they had that attitude with the officers at the C/M office they'd be "trying to push a rope" with them real quick ????

they are NOT married to the mother of their child, and can't GET married for like 310 days or some time LONG in the future That year-long multi-entry Non-O suggestion is getting the cart WAY before the wh*re ???? err I mean cart before the horse sorry..

Yep, you lose any time you have when you stamp out. As Celsius correctly pointed out you're buying a NEW visa and it has nothing to do with this current 90 day stamp you're on now.. If you can't go closer to the date when your current stamp expires you just have to deal with the fact you lose the time on this stamp

I think your friend is a little confused. Or there was a lost in translation from the immigration office. There are two ways to get granted legal parental rights, one is by going through family Court and the child can be any age. The other is by going through the local city hall (Amphur), and for that the child has to be a minimum age. Usually between 5 and 7 depending on the Amphur. Without either the family court decree, or the granting of parental rights from the local Amphur, he can't get either the 90-day Non-O visa or the year extension inside the country based on being the father of a Thai child. He can go to the Thai consulate in Savannahkhet Lao and get a 90 day single entry Non-O visa with minimal documentation, and after that he could also get a 60-day visit Thai family extension once he's inside the country at the local immigration office for 1900. That would buy them close to 5 months to get his act together and get that granting of the parental rights decree.

Some people who didn't show onward travel in 60 days and then returning to thailand shortly after that were denied an METV and issued just a single entry tourist visa (which means in the US losing 160 USD ???? the difference between a single and multi entry tourist visa 200/40) It even says you have to show a "genuine reason" to get the METV. I'd book a ticket out in 60 days and then back in a few days later to show WHY you need METV

This is ripped of my messenger from someone who was AT Savannakhet with EVERYTHING 3 weeks ago and denied the year Non-O So you can take it with a grain of salt OR you can believe it I have no dog in this fight and just relate info I get from the thai visa related groups

There is ONLY ONE consulate in the area that will issue a 90 day non-O visa to a spouse married to a foreigner on a 'retirement visa' (the year extension) and that is Penang, I can confirm these consulates WILL NOT issue it; Vientiane, Savannakhet, Phnom Penh, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore. Only ones I don't have first hand info on as far as if they will or won't are the ones in Kota Bharu Malaysia and Yangon Burma. That is a HARD visa to get and everyone I know that got it since the covid sh*t show ended has done it at Penang AND all the denials have been at the consulates I listed above.. You cannot come in visa exempt OR on a 60 day tourist visa stamp and get that 90 day non-O visa issued based on being a trailing spouse of a retirement visa holder that is one of the few reasons that they don't issue in country Non-O's for at ANY immigration office. That's why agents make foreigners with foreign wives get that ED visa for 6 months then switch because an ED visa CAN be done in country You made the job harder using an agent to push paper for your first visa/extension.. ???? Now as far as your comment that your wife's ED extension doesn't have a lot of time on it, she doesn't NEED any time on it. A "reason change" can be done right up until the last day her stamp is good for. Contact the agent you used for your retirement extension (seeing as they'd have to push her extension thru that office too for it to "piggyback" AND see what they say

Done it many times as in since the covid-sh*t show ended and they re-opened the border at Mukdahan/Savannakhet? or did it many times in years gone by? They leave Sunday night and they leave Wednesday night when they go meaning they're at the border at 6AM when it opens on Monday and Thursday mornings. EDITED to show that I was totally 100% wrong about the days those companies run, They go on Sunday and Wednesday night meaning they are there Monday and Thursday mornings My apologies people I changed the info as soon as I spoke to them

Thanx for that slick,, my question to you is when did you last get a year long, multi-entry Non-O visa from Savannakhet? BOTH bangkok and pattya visa run companies show up on Mondays and THURSDAY mornings with their people. AND There are confirmed reports of people only getting single entry 90 day Non-O's as recently as last week without their wife although ONE person did get a year/multi with the letter from his wife along with the regular required documents. EDITED: Sorry I got my wires crossed it's Monday and Thursday mornings you don't want to be there as the agents are there Wednesday is fine. . My apologies again

Sadly no, you have to apply for the FIRST extension on a visa for the reason you got the visa <- in this case he's on a Non-ED visa so he has to get at least the FIRST extension (90 days) based on education, THEN he could change the reason for the extension, by cancelling the extension he has with a letter from the school and immediately applying for a new yearly extension by meeting the proof of funds and document requirements for an extension based on marriage to a thai.

AFAIK; Hanoi NEVER issued that year-long, multi-entry Non-O visa and HCMC changed their policy just before the covid sh*t-show closed the borders to where they wanted proof of 400K baht in a bank account to issue that visa. You want that year long, multi-entry Non-O the only consulate in the vicinity that issues it without proof of funds is Savannakhet. One thing to keep in mind is that there have been several posts by people who went there and were sold just a single entry 90 day Non-O because they didn't have their thai wife with them AND they didn't have a "letter" written from the thai wife asking the consulate in Savannakhet issue the year-long, multi-entry Non-O visa. The first time someone posted it I took it as an aberration and the officer having a bad day, but after the 4th or 5th person said the same thing (that they got only a 90 day single entry) AND the one guy I told to have his wife write a letter to Savannakhet asking for the year visa got his without his wife I started thinking they require that letter again ^^ EDITED That is totally the correct info I just talked to two visa run companies (BKK and Pattaya) and they said they RUN Sunday AND Wednesday nights meaning they are there Monday and Thursday I stand humbly erected ???? err corrected, Sorry for the bad info

Okay, this topic comes up a LOT on the f/b visa groups AND you cannot get a 90 day non-O visa based on being married to a foreigner on a "retirement visa" (Non-O visa/extension, Non-OA visa/extension) from Vientiane OR Savannakhet. People in the last couple of months have been turned away The ONLY nearby consulate that will issue it is the one in Penang, Malaysia. You either BOTH apply for Non-O's together <- one by meeting the requirements to get the Non-O based on retirement and the other as "trailing spouse) OR the primary visa holder <- the one on the retirement visa has to have a year extension issued. You have to take the marriage documents passport copies AND bank book update of the retirement visa holder for them to issue a 90 day Non-O trailing spouse visa. So if you used an agent to bank the money for you it might not work Now you mention that you had an agent offer to get a 6 month ED visa and after that change the reason for the extension to "trailing spouse". This is actually the "work around" that many Pattaya agents are doing to get those visa/extensions for foreigners married to other foreigners on retirement visa/extensions. They get a 90 day Non-ED visa and then they get ONE extension for 90 more days based on education <-(because the rule is you have to get at least the FIRST extension for the reason you got the visa in this case education) THEN when that first 90 day extension runs out the agents can "Change the Reason" for the extension from education to "trailing spouse". I've seen it close to a dozen times now, and it goes thru without any issues One thing, you say your Pinoy wife is currently ON an ED visa/extension, perhaps you could contact who ever got you your year extension (the company that banked the money for you) and see if they can do a reason change for your wifes ED extension to one based on trailing spouse.

Okay boyz and squirrellz this is how those online eExtensions work with VFS Global It's still ONLY a Bangkok thing and they don't have it set up at any other location You apply online, decide how fast you want your extension approved <- which is on a sliding price scale from 500-1000-1500 baht You submit your documents, pay their fee, then get approved and go out to Chaengwattana on the floor ABOVE the main immigration office where they have the banner across the windows saying eExtension, you turn in the documents you uploaded already and they put a sticker in your passport for the extension. I'd say it's far easier to just make an appt with the online appt booking system and show up 15 minutes before that time to jump the queue at the section you're applying for the extension in. This is the link Bangkok Online Appt Link