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Here's an article in the Times. The fact is that the media is gradually coming round to the opinion that the underlying problem is Brexit.... https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a-six-year-cult-has-the-tories-in-its-grip-only-defeat-can-free-them-0l58rqdwg

Racism, xenophobia and religious discrimination were woven into the fabric of the UK, and cultured and exploited to bring about Brexit Now the UK has returned to being the pre-EU sick man of Europe and is the laughing stock if the world. The only people who like the UK are the currency speculators.

As predicted...v #24.

not a blind guess - you are just making assumptions because you don't know. come back after the election

What will happen soon is a major review of how the RTP police traffic - it's been in the wings for some time but of course it's resisted by the RTP and the Army who don't want to see any more power given to the police

Not if they drive in front of a guy on the phone...

that would be "spelling"

Noted - thanks for your articulate input. BTW - I think "gibberish" is spelt a "g'

Mick, have you noticed how much you are arguing about not being racist? "[The lady] .......... doth protest too much, methinks"

no you're not - you just don't understand logic. - I'm using a logic to approach the premise as you presented it... but you are trying to use a false syllogism. here's a litmus test for you........ "Racism is, according to dictionary terms, a belief in the superiority of some races over others; prejudice against or hatred of other races. Blatant racism is easy to identify — a shouted racial slur, a white supremacist rally, or the open discrimination, segregation and violence of the pre-civil rights era. Microaggressions, emerge in the everyday exchanges among friends and strangers alike and can offend racial and ethnic minorities. Tropes and clichés used by racists ….. 1. Saying someone’s playing "the race card" 2. Dismissing an individual who brings up race / culture in a discussion 3. Use of the concept of “other” (we/them syndrome) 4. Stereotyping of an entire nationality. 5. “I married one, so I can’t be racist, can I?” 6. Logical Fallacies: e.g. false authority- the use of “expert” – i.e. concentration on the messenger rather than the message. 7. No true Scotsman – Stating that the arguer is wrong because they don’t not represent the argument e.g. You don’t live there or in Thailand) 8. Conviction that personally they have superior abilities to the people they are criticising 9. Over-use of the 3rd person plural pronouns and adjectives, (e.g. - them, they, their) 10. “They” come over here…. 11. Sweeping subjective generalisations about nationality, creed, colour 12. It’s a religion, so that’s not racist, is it? 13. Incorrect use of the word "culture" – “It’s in their “culture” 14. Failure to distinguish between prejudice, assumption or opinion and "fact" 15. Spend a lot of time arguing something is not racist. 16. “Some of my best friends are…..” 17. “I’ve got nothing against them, but……..” 18. “They come over here…” 19. “Did you hear the one about?…….” 20. “coloureds” 21. “racialist” (as opposed to “racist”) 22. “It’s PC gone mad!” 23. “(They’re a)Dysfunctional race” 24. “Some of them are racist too!” 25. Racism is “natural” 26. "ALL lives matter" 27. “They’re great (any hobby or activity). . But they can’t (any hobby or activity)….” 28. “A lot of minorities are too sensitive,” 29. Microaggressions, in the everyday exchanges = “Everyone can succeed in this society, if they work hard enough.” Where are you from?” 30. Ad hominem Clichés – “snowflake” “greenie” “woke” “leftie” - e.g. Using “woke” as a derogatory term If you can tick any one of these, you are probably racist.

Basically that is a racist point of view and leads foreign road users to be a danger to themselves and others... Detailed anecdotal descriptions of how “bad” other motorists driving achieve nothing. Without analysis, all they do is reinforce those people’s prejudices about driving in Thailand - i.e. blaming people or even the entire nation, rather than considering the underlying causes. There is also the temptation to attempt simplifying matters by looking for one single solution for the whole problem; a sort of road safety panacea. A few common truths about how motorists see themselves versus other road users “Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?” - George Carlin “ ….. there are only three types of drivers; the too fast, the timid and oneself.” ― Virginia Graham, Say Please “There are two things no man will admit he cannot do well, drive and make love.” – Stirling Moss “The survey by Michelin North America found that the majority of Americans don’t trust other drivers and say they witness unsafe driving behaviour regularly. At the same time, an overwhelming majority - 81 percent - remain supremely confident in their own abilities behind the wheel.” [1] These were some observations resulting from research done by the Centre for Transport and Society - UK.... The public know that driver behaviour is a major contributory factor in the vast majority of road accidents... (Cauzard, 2003) - But there is a consistent view that OTHERS drive in a riskier manner than individuals themselves do - (King and Parker, 2008) It’s not just driving, older children and adolescents think they have good attitude and skills towards road safety but believe that others especially those in their peer group do not - (Tolmie. 2006). Individuals do not believe they are dangerous on the roads but at the same time fervently believe others are. • I am not likely to be responsible for an accident; others are likely to be responsible. Therefore, little I can do. • Hence, less likely to need to “plan to avoid them” • Campaigns aimed at dangerous driving are for “other” drivers not themselves. • Such campaigns re-emphasise this difference (2CV, 2008 and Flaming Research, 2008) • The third-person effect (Davison, 1983). • High support for enforcement, engineering solutions and education • But not for themselves - for other people. However, the reality can be a long way from these benighted perspectives.

you said it!

THe fact you think that might be a relevant comment (reductio ad absurdum) would indicate you might have the mindset similar to a racist.

there's a difference between turning it round and stirring poop. Liz Truss is in essence incompetent. The Tory party and commerce know this - they don't want to dismiss her, (they might have to) but until then she will be sidelined and others will run the country....the Main parties thought the 5 year rule would improve stability of governments but in practice i has done exactly the opposite.

THat's a "high" that is lower than the previous year's low! Wait until next week and see what the new PM - Hunt - will do.

We also don't know how long he's staying - If he's here for over 3 months, then he should get a driving licence. I don't know the process for getting an IDP in Oz but if he could do it by proxy, he could have it sent over. There are also internet sites that issue them - how legal they are I couldn't say.

Racism love labels and stereotypes - this goes against critical thinking so to assume that someone is a racist by name only would not be good critical thinking. However words and deeds can be evidential. Racism is "learned" being a racism is a bit like being an alcoholic, there's nothing you can do about it until your recognise you are one - and when it's pointed out to you, you spend a lot of time denying it or arguing against it. Wil Self came out with a classic comment - which I'll paraphrase - "Not all Brexiteers are racists, but all racists are Brexiteers" - you could probably say tat about Tries. There are definite concrete signs that someone is racist - one of the most common is they deny it.

that's actually not how it works - the cliche implies this happens a. lot - they think they keep being accused all the time but it never occurs to them why. They miss the irony. They also aren't very good at critical thinking. in fact the process is continual Blatant racism is easy to identify — a shouted racial slur, a white supremacist rally, or the open discrimination, segregation and violence of the pre-civil rights era. It is more difficult to recognise in oneself such things as microaggressions. They emerge in the everyday exchanges among friends and strangers alike and can offend racial and ethnic minorities. Statements, uttered intentionally or inadvertently, draw upon stereotypes are often linked with racism and prejudice. this is what racist fail to realise. If pointed out the usual response is denial - lets face it racist is the superlative of ignorant.

If the current polls were tuned into a general election right now the Tories would have 3 seats in the house of commons. However, this would be a poisoned chalice for Labour who would then have to take the flack whilst trying to get out of this mess. It would almost make sense for the Tories to walk away and let Labour take over, they would only last a couple of years at most and then the Tories could return. Next week they seem to be betting on a Tory version of a "national unity" government- basically sideline Truss (very difficult to just boot her out) and have a "cabinet of all the talents". in reality if the Tories were replaced by a coalition government, then confidence could be restored, but Labour are simply too arrogant to go into partnership with any other party especially when they could get such a huge victory for themselves. so al expats on pensions and income from UK had better start tightening their belts and. make sure their savings don't drop below the minimum amount of baht required by immigration

We will see on Monday how the markets see the pound etc. Hunt has been given carte blanche by the Tory nabobs and Liz Truss has been told to stand in the corner.....I expect Hunt may even officially become PM next week. The problem is reflected in the value of the pond but regaining international respect will take a longtime. in the mean time retirees from UK in Thailand are not just facing a reduction in their income from UK but also the possibility that the pension funds they rely on may shrink or collapse.. Things considered rock solid may overnight turn out to be built on sand.

It's alway been there - so many white people never notice it or are in denial. From out and out blatant aggression to thousands of microaggressions, it there. People are getting more educated - so in one sense what was always here is now noticed more and understood better......but it's always been there.

There are certain hallmarks, trait, and cliches that help you identify a racist - one is they spend a lot of time arguing that they, someone or something isn't racist....the irony is lost on them.

Haven't been through this thread - but my experience in Thailand is that the practice of "othered" is rife amongst expats here.

It always used to be the case that a UK driving licence holder (and some other countries) didn't need to take the practical test. I think a lot of applicants are their own worst enemies when going for their licence, s I've said a couple of times they are their own worst enemy.

I've driven extensively in Thailand for over 20 years and I now get stopped a lot less than I used to ....... one of the vey first time I was stopped, I had a UK (i think I had a Thai one too) licence and they wanted an IDP , i persuaded them that the green paper part of my UK licence was an IDP....... they gave up and we left without a fine. Over the years though, I find that your personal attitude is one of the most important factors. There are so many farang who seem to think they are superior to Thais in every way and when stopped, cover their ignorance with a veil of cynicism....the RTP recognise this and are much more likely to make life difficult for you. I've had some hilarious times when stopped and the have all ended friendly and to my advantage or minimum disadvantage - I thin it has helped I don't enter with prejudged "rules" or attitude and it works. I had both cars and motorbikes.