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E.G - heres a quote from Mack Mickmanus from another thread. "Lets face it , if you turned Liz Truss into an atom and also turned Kwasi Kwarteng into an atom and put them both into the hadron collider and sent them in different directions , when they collide , Diane Abbot would appear as the result " https://aseannow.com/topic/1275073-ill-lead-tories-into-next-election-says-embattled-liz-truss/?do=findComment&comment=17674552

post that on the thread about racism

the decisions have been unmade - do you think they will increase the amounts?

What do you mean?? - Buddhism is a religion - it has no science.

It is still a religion by any definition. It also has different and varying sects and practices - but it is a religion, God or no God. a lot of the pronouncements on Buddhism here are showing the kind of ignorance from which racism stems.

Precisely....do to save embarrassment they could keep her as PM but sideline her power.

I believe it was the Economist that initially compared her premiership to the shelf life of a lettuce. Either way their is universal condemnation of Truss unlike anything we have seen in a lifetime. The Tories are involved in a massive and vsin damage limitation process..... but the only way out is to replace Truss.... they may even have to rethink the office of PM itself... promoting the Chancellor whilst relegating the office of PM to cha lady.

Lead into the election? The last person to say that was Boris....he lasted about another day. No cap on utilities after April, and no triple lock on pensions and benefits. Truss is pushing millions on low come into poverty. Her mini budget has down permanent damage because she has forced up the rates of government borrowing so just reversing everything will cost more than it did before. What is not understandable is why she is still there. She is the most unpopular PM in history. She meets the dreaded 1922 committee tomorrow so they may tell her to go. The problem is who to replace her with and quick. Never before in UK history has a party with an 80 seat majority been unable to firm a government.. Thanks to Boris's inability to tell the truth and resign, the Britsh government has collapsed and taken Britain's credibility with it.

Your literal and largely incorrect interpretation of so many posts makes me wonder if you actually understand even the basics of the topic and many of the subsequent opinions voiced. Whilst arguing against so many of the posts, you are in actual fact reinforcing the impression that racism xenophobia religious discrimination are very much alive and well in the UK and give an excellent example of how in manifests itself. I think we can safely say regarding your posts "quod eat demonstrandum"

You do realise the meaning of "7.No true Scotsman – Stating that the arguer is wrong because they don’t not represent the argument e.g. You don’t live there or in Thailand)"?

now a false dichotomy!

so a creed then?

???? freudian Slip? 7. No true Scotsman – Stating that the arguer is wrong because they don’t not represent the argument e.g. You don’t live there or in Thailand)

12. It’s a religion, so that’s not racist, is it?

Moving the goals posts somewhat That is also a form of sealioning - they are referring to Irish immigration post war - you are moving the goalposts by adding extra qualifications after your argument has been shown to be flawed.

your fallacy this time is "Appeal to tradition" – an argument supported by the fact the it has long held to be true - and is in reality not true.

Sorry it IS sealioning the answer is tangential to the topic - "its well known that Irish builders did like a drink " - you don't seem to recognise your own sweeping generalisations as pure prejudice and assumption... but.... I think you should rethink your assumptions…. (L Greenslade 1, M Pearson, M Madden - 1995) [There are] “long-standing stereotypes [that] portray Irish people as prone to use alcohol to excess. The article traces the historical origins of those stereotypes, and examines evidence drawn from a range of sources in Ireland and Britain about alcohol consumption, attributed hospital admissions and mortality.” It finds that rates of abstinence from alcohol are higher in Ireland than in Britain, and amongst migrants, the Irish are no more likely to consume alcohol than the indigenous population. Data from the General Household Survey indicated that people of Irish birth or parentage are no more likely than the British born to use alcohol at all.

See 29 - microaggressions

more sealioning!

Racism is a form of ignorance It is not based on facts, evidence or rational deduction and thought, it is based on prejudices and assumptions. Some on this thread seem to be remarkably un-informed on the topic of racism and consequently on racism in the UK. – they just rely on prejudice and assumption Furthermore some on this thread seem to have difficulty in following the discussion. They have repeatedly misread and misinterpret other peoples’ posts and their arguments just aren’t arguments. For example with my post that lists 30 possible clichés of racism. The premise is “Tropes and clichés used by racists ………. “If you can tick any one of these you are probably a racist’ They seem to think the list is complete and exclusive – it looks as if they don’t understand the premise based on “tropes” and “clichés” – consequently your arguments are largely fallacious falling into false dichotomies, false syllogisms etc and literal naïve interpretations One form of racism is those racists who don’t want to admit they are racists because of how stupid it makes them look , so characteristically they spend a lot of time arguing that they or something they said isn’t racist, but the more they do, the ore they confirm their basic racist beliefs. Another form of racist, as I pointed out earlier, a racist in the same sense as an alcoholic – they are in denial and there is less chance of ever overcoming the problem. In fact many people who hold racist views really believe they aren’t racist but ignorance prevents them from understanding this. They resort to assumption myth and misinterpretation of the evidence to continue their denial. UK thinks it’s come a log way with racism, but the reality is far from that – the fact that all forms of racism still exist in the UK id evidence of this – and those who pat themselves on the ack are in turn being racist themselves – denying there is a problem and helping to reinforce racism by their lack of resistance to it.

It just gets worse and worse!

I guess they all looked the same to you? The vast majority of “black” immigrants to the UK in the 1950s were from the West Indies and they came because they HAD JOBS with people like London Transport. I don’t think most people realise that over 2 million people EMIGRATED from the UK after WW2 to the 1960s to the point that governments were really concerned that Britain would not be able to rebuild itself. Those of the Windrush generation were key to rebuilding the country – and now 60 years on, some have been threatened with repatriation – how racist can the UK get?

Seriously? Africans??? - sweeping generalisations! Have you never heard of "Windrush"?

It's called 'sealioning." A passuve aggressive tactic of ŕepeatedly asking for unnecessary citations and references. Usually when someone doesn't have a coherent argument.

I think it would help a lot of people to understand racist Britain if the watched this Ashley Banjo program on ITV https://www.itv.com/hub/ashley-banjo-britain-in-black-and-white/10a1611a0001