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8 minutes ago, bbko said:

Actually, yes.  I was standing in ankle deep water during a Thai thunderstorm and having lighting strike a few hundred meters away, I felt the instant shock, the numbness in the legs for the next hour.  That was 10 years ago, zero side effects.  

We don't know the voltage or amperage they were exposed to, but it sounds minimal as they were able to sit in the water for some time.

Although I can understand why you may want to equate your experience in some way or another to the point at hand, basing an opinion on personal anecdotal experience isn't the wisest way to form an opinion from which to judge other people's disasters against. Organ damage or brain damage may not be readily known and the unborn child may also be affected. As you mentioned, we don't know the voltage or amperage. We also don't know how long they were shocked for. They don't know either. They have their ideas, but it is not knowable (unless there is something that wasn't reported) if it happened during the last few seconds before they were able to get out or if it was a low level long term exposure. There are so many unknowns, it is ridiculous for people to make their judgments toward this family with such callousness. Electrical shocks also do not affect every person in the same way. You can shock different people in the exact same way and have completely different outcomes - from death to near no effect. The crude mental toxicity on this forum is insane (that isn't directed toward you. I'm just stunned by the level of lunacy in here.).

5 minutes ago, PJ71 said:

Are you from the U S of A?

That is irrelevant to my opinion re my point on compensation. But if you must know, to suit whatever presupposition you may be holding, my parents are not American and I grew up in a few different countries. Depending on how you define where one is "from"... I also did spend some years in America. I know absolutely that the kind of compensation I was mentioning would be offered in at the least 3 or 4 countries that I've lived and worked in. I know that the idea of compensation for mental/psychological pain/suffering is well established in both UK and Japanese law. And I would assume that if it is in two quite different cultures and juridical systems like that, it is likely common in many if not most countries. It is not anything that somehow Americans hold some sort of exclusive idea about. Not by any stretch. Now, as for Thailand.... I don't know as much in terms of law. But I do know that different Thai friends of mine who own businesses would certainly step up and try to do whatever they could to compensate the family to make them feel like they were cared about more than just paying for hospital bills. It is so absurd, it's unfathomable.

3 minutes ago, bbko said:

According to the American guy; mental rape, post traumatic stress disorder, aquaphobia, loss of bowel control, itchiness, loss of balance, tingling in extremities, slurred speech, temporary blindness, profuse sweating, erectile dysfunction, loss the sense of taste, heart palpitations, turophobia, Francophobia, & consecotaleophobia.

 

It's the American version of winning the lottery, "Oh some minor incident happened to me? I need to sue for millions".

"minor incident"? Do you have any idea what electrical shocks like this can do to you? It could damage internal organs and cause brain damage, which of course can lead to all sorts of other complications. I don't quite get how people on here can laugh this off like it's nothing. And depending only on some little news article to form such opinions over something that could have lifelong consequences for these people, including a small child for God's sake, is mindboggling. There's a thing called empathy that seems to be severely lacking around here, not to mention the ability to grasp the potential seriousness of a variety of things.... smh

8 hours ago, PJ71 said:

Compensation for what exactly, what were the injuries?

 

 

I thought it was pretty much common knowledge that "damages", in personal injury cases, refers to losses including things like time missed from work, medical bills, as well as "pain and suffering", which can be both mental and physical. I have no idea how courts in Thailand tend to award damages along these lines, but I would think it exists to some degree. They most definitely have a case for it. And if negligence can be proven, there should be punitive damages too IMO, but that is unlikely to happen in personal injury cases, from what I've heard. I have a feeling that may be because the money awarded for pain and suffering may be deemed to take care of that "punishment"....? By the way, electrical shock can cause serious injuries. And the fact that she is pregnant makes one wonder what the effects could be on their unborn child. If that were my wife and 3 year old kid, I'd sure as hell be looking for any kind of punishment possible, IF it were due to negligence. If that couldn't be proven and it was purely accidental and all work on the jacuzzi and electrical system were up to par, but some unforeseeable incident brought it about, then I wouldn't pursue punitive damages. But their vacation was destroyed and a child has been affected in who knows what way, being only 3 years old. There could be a variety of mental issues to deal with. And more could be argued.... At any rate, it shouldn't have happened and the hotel should bear responsibility a hell of a lot more than just medical bills! That's ridiculous. If the family could afford the time away from their home country, maybe a couple of free weeks stay with meals would be a nice offer, even if it were only accidental, let alone the possibility of negligence. But only medical bills? For nearly being killed? Seriously???

6 hours ago, FruitPudding said:

They got an electric shock.

 

They were not electrocuted.

 

The quality of journalism couldn't be any worse.

I got curious because I've seen it used both ways - injury & death, so I looked it up. If the article and the woman are to be taken at face value, they were electrocuted. "Electrocution" encompasses severe or bad injury, not only death, which it appears you may have been inferring. Of the 5 dictionaries I checked, one of them only had death in the definition. All the others included injury.

16 hours ago, Quit said:

I get the feeling that a lot of the commentators here are actually capable of worse crimes than him. Much sounds like boozed bar talk to me.

 

First we don't know the details of the crime. But what we know is that in modern societies murder and castration are not the right form of punishment. Especially if you don't know what happened.

 

Second, any google search will lead to the knowledge that 9 year old menstruating are rather common nowadays. Perhaps there are not many fathers here. Although of course a traumatic event can have such an effect.

 

The way this is discussed here is as disgusting as the crime. It's the mob talking. 

The details of the crime are not necessary to be known in order to have an opinion that the civil government should impose a death penalty for rape (Which apparently you conceive to be murder? That would be a very odd idea. Or maybe you are referring to some other comment that I haven't seen.). What is known to have happened is that a child was raped. Is there any need to know more than that in order to have an opinion on what should happen to the perpetrator? Justice should be carried out by the laws of the land and by the rulers thereof. Anything less than death for the rapist of a child is not justice IMO. But I do not agree with torture, beating, etc... (I view a lifetime in prison as nearly equivalent to torture) a quick death is preferable. The perpetrator is still a human and therefore, personally, I think the body of any such criminal should be treated with respect, while doing the unfortunate necessity of ridding the world of the person.

3 hours ago, kiwikeith said:

He would not be safe in most Jails overseas and would have to be put into solitary confinement, or he would be dead In no time, I don't know what the Thai Inmates would do to him, he's got no future now, forever, might as well give him the death penalty, he's already got that if he's not put in protective custody. 

Yeah, I have no idea if convicts react the same here as I know they do in the US. But it would be better if the civil government meted out justice properly in order to better bring about orderly society rather than society to start looking up to lawbreaking thugs to mete out justice.

16 hours ago, Jim Blue said:

Sounds like Texas law to me Sig ! 

No idea what it might be like in Texas, but if it is, more power to 'em!

17 hours ago, scorecard said:

Grab, Bolt, Maxim, Airport Limousine service, all work well, comfortable, door to door, and reasonable fares.

Thanks for reminding me about Bolt! I haven't used them in ages (2 years??). Last time I did, their price was a LOT cheaper than others. I wonder if they've upped their prices since then.... Don't know why I forgot about them....

20 minutes ago, alien365 said:

Is there any easy way to get from the airport to the center of town yet or do those red pick up things still run the show?

I used Grab last time I went through. Worked great.

56 minutes ago, JeffersLos said:

Possibly not his first time.

 

Beat the sicko then put a single bullet in the back of his head. He has no place in society and isn't worth feeding in jail. 

I agree, a perp who does this has no place in society and isn't worth feeding, but I believe the concept of justice is more important to fulfill and is why anyone guilty of this crime should be put to death.
Edit: And I'd say probably rather than possibly not his first time. But, of course, there has to be a first time, so who knows....

1 hour ago, bignok said:

Is there a culture problem? Must be a reason for it.

It would only be conjecture on my part, of course, but it appears that by what the other commenter was saying about over-representation of Brits in this kind of news and your response being "Is there a culture problem?", that you are alluding to a Brit cultural problem? I'm not completely clear on your intended meaning.
Either way, I would say that in the years that I used to hang out at clubs and occasionally bars, I didn't often go to ones where farang were represented much at all. And I saw plenty of fights involving various different Asian people with Thais. Never did see any that I recall, other than verbal stupidity, involving farang in those 10 or so years. But that shouldn't be too surprising since I only occasionally went to places in which there were a good number of farang. But even when I did go to those places and saw fights, it was never involving a farang. So, in my limited experience, if there's a cultural problem, it seems to me that it is a media cultural problem of preferring to report the more sensational story. And that narrative would be older farang as opposed to reporting on what seems to be more viewed as squabbles between equally Asian people. Just imagine if Brits or Americans were doing the things that the Chinese tourists and tour groups incessantly do across the country! I'd put my money on the reporting being covered a LOTTTTT more and with a LOTTTT more invective.

9 hours ago, London Lowf said:

Let the Thai-bashing begin, but before you do maybe the guy deserved it?

 

Maybe he was giving the Thai guys trouble?

 

Maybe he stole from the store and abused the staff?

 

Maybe he was assaulting female customers as they went in or out of the store?

 

I'm a Brit and I can assure you that many cannot hold their booze and become downright obnoxious after a few. When they get to a free and easy place like Thailand they completely lose it.

 

A very intelligent and well-educated guy I worked with many years ago explained that you can reason with the vast majority of people that are mis-behaving, but there are a few that only understand one thing, and that is a smack in the mouth!

 

 

Not sure how you could possibly say he might have "deserved it". The "it" being, "a swollen head, a broken nose and three teeth knocked out." and a "cerebral haemorrhage." And you somehow equate that with "a smack on the mouth!" ????????

On 8/29/2023 at 6:20 PM, pomchop said:

North Carolina and Georgia...i only lived there for decades and still visit and see it most every day....go to a gun show and buy anything you want no problem.  Carry your gun into a bar or store, no problem.  Look it up rather than saying it does not exist as you obviously have no clue.

 

Last updatedJANUARY 5, 2023.

Georgia also generally allows any person who is not prohibited by law from possessing a firearm to openly carry a long gun in most public spaces.1

Under permitless carry legislation enacted in 2022,2 Georgia law now generally authorizes any “lawful weapons carrier” to carry handguns openly or concealed in most public spaces without any permit required.3 A person is a lawful weapons carrier if (1) they would be eligible for a weapons carry license under Georgia law (whether or not they have a license) and are not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing a handgun or long gun, (2) if they are a resident of any other state who would otherwise be eligible to obtain a weapons carry license under Georgia law but for the residency requirement, or (3) if they are licensed to carry a weapon in any other state.4

These general public carry laws are subject to certain location restrictions.

 

Last updatedJANUARY 5, 2023.

North Carolina generally authorizes people to openly carry firearms in public with no permit or license required, although carrying firearms either openly or concealed is restricted in certain sensitive locations.1 (For more information about those location restrictions, see our pages on Location Restrictions in North Carolina and Guns in Schools in North Carolina).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Spoken like a true woke leftist. You can't resist casting personal aspersions even though I was being completely polite and respectful with you and you put words into my mouth that I did not say. And you divert from what you originally said once backed into a corner because you were wrong and can't back out of it, so you think that by moving the goal posts you can salvage your sunk ship. This happens seemingly every time I waste my time speaking with someone on an ideological, but illogical, bent.
I specifically stated that I was referring to my experience in the 3 States that I had lived in, which happen to be much more liberal, politically, and strict in their gun laws. And in your context, you were referring to what another individual commented on here, referring to "<deleted> the Slaveholder South." I mentioned that I had not experienced anything remotely similar whatsoever to your claims of being able "to buy and carry any gun of any kind any where (sic).... little to no training or restrictions..." Then, you now respond with a narrowing of your context to 2 particular States, which still doesn't match what you said, but does still match what I had said. For example, in Georgia you cannot carry a gun into a post office, into government buildings, onto college campuses, or in historic sites or recreational areas or parks. To interpret for you, since you seem to be the "clueless" one, rather than how you said that I "obviously have no clue" - this means that you cannot "carry any gun of any kind any where (sic)..." There are plenty of other examples I could use to show other aspects of your statements to be false (e.g., "Carry your gun into a bar or store, no problem" as a blanket statement, in Georgia, also inaccurate/false among other things you've said.)  and make it appear to be a kind of fearmongering with no basis in reality, but you've already proven that it is very likely useless to go any further with you, as you immediately jumped into the usual sort of tactic that I encounter with ideologues spouting nonsense by denigrating my character and diverting the point at hand in an attempt to suit what appear to be disingenuous purposes. Or perhaps you were just having a bad couple of days? I don't know. I hope that's the case. I imagine you have friends who will agree with you. Maybe you could enjoy refining your ill thought out ideas, and learning to discern fact from fiction and general statements that are incorrect without qualifications, with them and dig a bigger darker pit because I won't be responding further.

14 minutes ago, pomchop said:

One reason i no longer live there....guns guns and more guns, macho mentality, buy and carry any gun of any kind any where....little to no training or restrictions...look at me wrong way and i will shoot your ass......thoughts and prayers is about it and that doesn't seem to work very well at all.  Sad to say I don't see it getting any better in my lifetime.

Guns, guns, and more guns? Interesting how there are so many guns, but I've never seen one or heard one shot in a place other than a shooting range or hunting. I've also asked at least dozen or more friends in different parts of the US and neither have they. I guess none of us live where gangs proliferate. It's not some kind of widespread craze, which is how it seems that you are portraying. Not sure where you live/lived. I've never even seen anyone carrying a gun openly, other than police and security types. Buy and carry a gun anywhere? Wow, never heard of such a thing. Never seen any guns for sale at any stores other than sporting goods stores or gun stores. They sell them at novelty shops and supermarkets where you lived!? Sounds like you lived in an area that I can't even fathom existing. Carry a gun anywhere? Good luck with that one! Not happening. Carry a gun in the vicinity of a school, post office, government building, etc, etc, etc, you're likely to end up in some hot water with the police quickly. The restrictions are so severe in the 3 different states that I've lived in that it's nearly impossible to get a permit to carry a concealed gun, let alone openly. And the laws about carrying or transporting one at all are likewise very strict. And they change so often that I'm a bit paranoid to even carry one in my trunk to the gun range! God forbid a neighbor or a passerby sees me taking a gun from my house and putting it in my trunk! So many freaks around these days that they're likely to call the police and get me hassled. And it's largely because of the kind of mentality that you are promoting. An unfounded fear. Yeah, of course there are areas that you should be careful and rightly wary of being in. Just like some areas of Bangkok where there are shootings on a regular basis. They rarely get reported, unlike in the US. So many foreigners have no clue how often there are shootings in Bangkok. I lived a short distance from one of those areas and in less than three years, I heard a dozen or so shootings and witnessed the aftermath of two of them, blood all over the place that didn't even get cleaned up until the next day. It is not uncommon, if you didn't know. There are some areas that you definitely need to keep away from, just like anywhere.

8 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

 

Not sure what that stat might have to do with the likelihood of being shot in this same kind of scenario in the US...? Am I missing something?

11 hours ago, david555 said:

The military influenced kangaroo court made some cases on him ...... but i did not see any about a mass murder .....

Completely missed the point and made a side note your thing.... nice deflection.

5 hours ago, Adumbration said:

Amazing Thailand.  The only people who did not get a spot at the trough were the ones who won the election. What a dumpster fire this country has become.

What a dumpster fire this country has become. continues to be, as it has been for decades....

7 hours ago, retarius said:

A man with some sense.....plain Bob Smith, looks like Steptoe but has a brain on him. 

Assuming that you're talking about the new PM...? What makes you think he has a decently functioning brain? He's a puppet. All about ฿฿฿. If you think he might have brains because he has a master's degree... even his MBA (has got to be the simplest and nearly meaningless master's, these days often earned in less than a year) is essentially a bought degree from an institution that a guy with brains would have felt ashamed to attend, more expensive than many of the top ranked MBA programs in the world, but a low-ranking nothing place, producing the likes of this guy. The rest of his adult life... connections.... that takes no brains at all. Although, I suppose that doesn't preclude the possibility that he has a decent head on him in other ways like street smarts/savvy. But to me, a guy who is savvy and plays the system, like he appears to have done his whole life, is blatantly showing his internal corruption. No integrity.

7 hours ago, Accidental Tourist said:

Let's the soap opera begin...

Let the soap opera begin... continue....