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O-A visa ?

O-A retirement visa?

confusing?

i rest my case

after pages of now deleted posts trying to tell you all not to call an O-A visa, a retirement visa, this is just one more illustration of why it does matter

By doing so many O-A visa holders are worried about the 800,000 rules when it does not affect them at all

i know one from this morning from UK who was told to bring in the money, he has brought in 850,000 baht equivalent as his O-A visa expires on March 10th after being given bad advise by friends, agents and reading TV

He did not even know he could stretch it out for another year with a quick trip in and out before the end date and then buy a multiple entry to make the second year the same as the first

whether you realize it or not this distinction is screwing up peoples lives

this is the 3rd such case i have heard of since Friday

again an O-A visa is not a retirement visa

35 minutes ago, billsmart said:

The stamps the IOs put in your passport (or at least in mine) on my extensions for my O-A visa say in red letters, "Retirement." ????

yes but not VISA

1 hour ago, Spidey said:

Works closely with senior immigration officers. Unlike anyone on this forum.

there are others

from another thread:

Him : ‘’I have recently retired and have been issued a multiple entry retirement visa’’

Me : ‘’Is it an O-A visa ?’’

Him: ’’It's an O-A visa and I have an Australian passport.’’

Confusing huh? Unless you are Australian

the Thai Embassy in OZ punts it as something it is not

It is not a retirement visa

''multiple entry retirement visa''

Is it an O-A M visa ?

are you from USA?

4 minutes ago, elviajero said:

It doesn’t say why he has to leave.

 

Lots of people are making claims of “many” people will be forced to leave, but no one is explaining why!

you did not ask that or an explanation, you asked:

'' Give me an example of someone that’s already retired in Thailand that cannot stay because of the changes''

i did as you asked in 2 minutes but its not good enough for you

even on these hallowed pages and in the Nation boss pages

not that i expected it to be.........

Just now, elviajero said:

That doesn’t help. No one is giving detail as to why the rule change is forcing them to leave.

you said show me one!

i found one in seconds on these very hallowed pages with TVs parent as the source

does this one not count then? why am i not surprised........

Just now, Roy Baht said:

Then why stay? And why complain about not being able to stay? I enjoy plenty of freedom here. In fact, I find Thailand far more free than the US or UK. I don't find the environment here "hostile to foreigners" And if I did, I wouldn't stay here. Basically your complaint is that you are being overcharged to live in a horrible place? My question is why do you want to live in a horrible place for any price? 

its been a lot less hostile since the General put the red faction to bed, my only disappointment is that square face has not been put to bed permanently

4 hours ago, Spidey said:

If you read that thread, it gives no indication as to why the guy can no longer stay in Thailand or what has changed, for him, as regards to him obtaining his visa extension this year as opposed to last year.

 

The financial requirement for the visa extension hasn't change at all. 65k baht monthly income last year, 65k baht/month this year. 800k baht in a Thai bank account last year, 800k baht in a Thai bank account this year. Only the method of proof has changed, more inconvenient but still equally doable. I can't, for the life of me, understand how someone found it easy to obtain a retirement visa extension last year but finds it impossible this year.

 

For French citizens, there is even less change as they still obtain their embassy income letters, leaving the 65k baht/month income route completely unchanged.

elvajeiro said show one, i did and was sourced from TV parent the Nation so i thought uit must be true

7 hours ago, elviajero said:

“Half of expats”. LOL.

 

Yet another massive exaggeration from someone overreacting to a small change.

 

In order to live in Thailand you need 800K PLUS whatever money you spend to live on. 

 

You can’t live in Thailand on just 800K. You need other income or cash. Anyone that doesn’t have that can’t afford to retire in Thailand under the current rules. Those that do should have no problem meeting these changes, even if they don’t like them.

 

Give me an example of someone that’s already retired in Thailand that cannot stay because of the changes.

1 hour ago, Spidey said:

I'm not aware of any Brit who lied to the embassy. Not easy. All the Brits that I know, who couldn't prove the 65k baht monthly income or have 800k baht in a Thai bank, used the agency route.

Barry Kenyon used to joke about so many obvious fakes he had seen over the years, maybe it will get into his memoir 

45 minutes ago, Mister Fixit said:

What on earth does 'oop' mean?

 

 

commonly used by Thais, ''up to you'' or ''oop to you'' meaning  you decide

I cannot believe i am having to explain this on Thai Visa

we will be debating best sausages or breakfast next

9 hours ago, phkauf said:

I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for those using these agents to skirt the rules and laws. If you don't qualify, tough find another place to live.

Because of your games, the honest rule abiding people have to suffer. Thanks a lot for ruining it for the rest of us and enjoy your time in some sh!thole country that will accept you.

what about the people who lied on the statutory declarations and ruined the income letter process for their countrymen

the USA, the UK and the Australians

did they play a part in this ?

which one is worse?

the ones who blew the letter route for everyone by lying to their respective embassies and did not have any money to show

or

those who pay an agent and uses an agents 800K to try to appear to be legal

oop to you

9 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

I've never once used an agent for over 30 years. I've never felt the need, and I've never had any problems with renewals. Why does this debate go on and on and on...? Just put 800k in the bank and get on with your life.

good advise if you have 800K to put in the bank

7 minutes ago, Spidey said:

What did he say about the changes?

it will be business as usual

he said get it in before March 1st if you can

He said if they will fix it 3 months before now, then they will fix it 3 months after (for a fee)

he admitted it will give him and the IO opportunity to charge twice maybe even four times with the 400 too

he did not know what the fee would be but suggested it might be in line with 90 day ED visa reports

i thought that was pretty good within a few hours

4 hours ago, Vacuum said:

Obviously not wealthy enough.

how long is a ball of string......

7 hours ago, Pattaya46 said:

To be fair, he visited agencies Monday morning and new rules have been announced Thursday evening...

New rule will only start next month. They have time to learn about it and adapt.

my agent called me Thursday evening

his clients were calling him Friday after the broadcast and he was ready for them

he is always on the ball

21 minutes ago, Hoppyone said:

100% correct, agents have a 90 day window

60 normally

11 hours ago, JackThompson said:

I cannot believe this was ever the intention.  All they had to do was bust their IOs skipping seasoning-checks for the agents.

 

Makes sense, really.  The current system works because agent-apps don't need seasoning.  New apps will work because agent-apps won't need seasoning.   Whether IO's "waiving" seasoning, or fake bank-books, or whatever - this changes nothing in the equation.

 

But, alternative money-lenders won't be able to get close to agent-rates any more, as they could have before in the more expensive agent-jursidictions (Phuket at 30K Baht) etc.  There will be no more 3-mo loans or money-pooling between friends, as an alternative to agent fees.

 

We don't know how or if this will occur - or just check at the time of the next application.

 

He, and his boss, and his boss's boss, unless he wants to be on TV with the big-boss facing jail-time, for running independent-action on the side.

 

Agents are buddies with the heads of the offices where they work.  This is why they can waltz in with a stack of passports, go right by everyone else, etc.  Anything would be taken care of in a private meeting, or passed along to trusted-staff who know the score.

i am beginning to warm to you Jack

12 hours ago, Pattaya46 said:

I wonder how agents can already announce such things, when nobody seems to know yet what will be the exact procedure of Thai Immigration to verify the balance history of our bank account... It's well possible that the procedure bring some serious difficulties for the bad agents (… and I hope so ).

because agents have IO on speed dial

13 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Untrue.

30 days Pattaya.

unless you use an agent

13 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

 in the next six months if a few IOs get busted for bribery in some of main offices all bets will be off...

hasn't that happened already,?

first one i saw was last year almost immediately after BJ appointment, nearly six months ago