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18 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

maybe this will just cause more confusion, but if i recall correctly (no, i dinna take a photo!), last time at CW for extension, there was an information flyer posted on one of the room dividers giving instructions for the extension of the "retirement visa."

not for me, i know what its called by many but i also know that its not what it is

i also know that immigration have to refer to it as that because of foreigners who know no better

Imagine that? a Thai having to dumb down to make a farang understand

Whatever next ....

 

8 minutes ago, David Walden said:

I live in Western Australia when and applying for a "Retirement Visa" technically known as a O-A   M at the Royal Thai Embassy in Canberra 4000kms away.  If I ask about a Retirement visa the staff at the Embassy know exactly what I'm talking about.  That is I want to buy a retirement visa so I can go and retire in Thailand.  taking to a friend of mine in my home he asked what sort of visa do you need to retire.  I said" an thailand O-A multi- entry visa" he said what the hell if that.  I said "it's a Thai Retirement visa".  He said now I know what your talking about?

   To answer your question...Yes, it quite simple, you just fill in all the information required as shown on the retirement application form section called  "Retirement Visa" (fair dinkum) At the Thai Embassy in Canberra,  It also tells you on the application form that Retirement visas are only issued by an Embassy.  The application form says it must include an Information sheet. Copies of passport and pics, medical, police check from the post office in W.A.).  Get a money order from the post office for $275.  Get everything signed by a JP or CD. inside your letter include a self-address express return envelope (very important) to get visa passport etc back.  Just follow the instructions about getting a Retirement Visa in Australia for Thailand.  Your mail can be tracked from the post office and the Embassy will usually send you a tracking number also.

 

i wonder if they have to call it that so he can understand what it is?

someone on here said he was an aussie and they were right

i remember he went 5 rounds with UJ and lost on points before

is he coming back for a rematch?

4 minutes ago, Spidey said:

I'll add it to the list. Got any more for the list?

unless a jet ski is made by Kawasaki Heavy Industries its not a jet ski

32 minutes ago, elviajero said:

I am well aware of the rules. You said it was "illegal". It's not. It's against the rules not to apply in person.

so its not 1900 baht then?

or

in your playbook, thats not a law but a rule

is that something that can be legally bypassed?

19 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

So why do you call extension for over-50 "retirement extension" ? Same problem.

its an extension of a non immigrant type visa for the purposes of retirement in Thailand, whether you are retired outside Thailand or not

a retirement extension can be based on an O-A, B, ED, O and other non immigrant type visas 

6 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Quite right.

 

A jelly baby isn't a baby.

 

A hot dog isn't a dog.

 

A Chinese burn isn't Chinese.

 

A hamburger isn't made from ham.

 

Just a few of life's mysteries.

A non O-A is not a retirement visa

2 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Please do not go on. Those examples are not analogous! I have provided you with the relevant analogies.

 

Explain why it's ok to call a visa issued for tourism a Tourist Visa, BUT it's not ok to call a visa issued for retirement a Retirement Visa.

because an O-A visa is not issued specifically for retirement purposes

 

 

17 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Or Australian!

 

A long stay 'O-A' visa is being marketed and sold as a 'Retirement Visa', or the path to an extension (permit) of stay based on retirement. Therefore; for all intents and purposes it is a 'Retirement Visa'. 

but its not is it, it is not a retirement visa and calling it so over and over will not make it so

you are like a guy watching titanic movie and think the ship will not sink 

2 minutes ago, elviajero said:

You're right, but the PERMIT (which can be described as a form of visa) has been stamped with "Retirement".

 

Visa

"an endorsement on a passport indicating that the holder is allowed to enter, leave, or stay for a specified period of time in a country."

 

That we can all agree on!

 

 

but not VISA and everyones stamp says that

thats a fact that we have to agree on despite your meanderings to the contrary

16 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Any visa issued on the basis of retirement can justifiably be referred to as a 'Retirement Visa'. 

 

Embassies, agents, lawyers, immigration, and most expats, refer to visas or permits to stay issued on the basis of retirement as a 'Retirement Visas'. Pedants like you will not change those facts.

 

Visa issued on the basis of tourism = Tourist Visa

Visa issued on the basis of education = Education Visa

Etc.

Visa issued on the basis of retirement = Retirement Visa

call a Samsung vacuum a Hoover but its not

a spa bath a jacuzzi but its not

need i go on?

i thought you knew what you were talking about

you are looking less and less credible all the time

 

44 minutes ago, elviajero said:

It's not "illegal". Can you quote the law being broken if an agent submits an application without the applicant being present?

TM7 back page

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Immigration rules are that the applicant should be present.

Rules like this are easily, lawfully, bypassed.

so lawfully bypassed?

how did that happen?

how is it lawful to bypass a rule except to make you seem right instead of being wrong?

 

Immigration have started to tighten up on this rule which is the main reason our photos are now taken when applying.

so  it was ok to lawfully bypass the rule before in your book?,

why are the tightening up now?

shouldn't it still be ok now, if its lawfully bypassable ?

why would they bother?

 

44 minutes ago, elviajero said:

 

I've no interest in replying to the rest of your post as you have no credibility.

you choose not to answer any other questions because you dare not as your are scared of losing face 

Credibility? haha thats rich coming from you!

 

 

13 minutes ago, elviajero said:

 

show me an agent. lawyer, any business independent of immigration whatever you want to call it that does not offer a 800k funds supported retirement extension application, renewal or first time amongst there options

some will hand hold, some will accompany for a fee but there are none that will not offer to provide the money

Under your synopsis of agents that makes them all corrupt without exception

name one and i will call them and ask them to lay on the money

even when one seeks Assist ance in CM despite denying all knowledge initially when you get past the gatekeeper they offer it for 25K 

i have it in writing from them

maybe even its you that offers Asisit ance

so make your case, name one 

you can send by PM

22 minutes ago, elviajero said:

 

  18 hours ago, elviajero said:

It was reported last year that the British government issued YS with a 10 year visitor visa!

 

A copy of the bank book and letter are required on all files unless waived by a senior officer.

 

Maybe you could ask your ‘freind’ to show you a completed file. Inside you will see a submission form that’s completed by the IO and signed off by the offices senior officer.

 

The form lists everything required to allow the IO/office to issue an extension. If the file were ever audited, and a copy of the bank book was missing and a wavier wasn’t on file, the IO/Supervisor would have a problem.

 

As long as copies are on file the IO has covered their back. If seasoning — or any other requirement — has been waived the file would have to include a request from the supervisor that has been signed off by a senior officer.

A legitimate agent is helping the client put together the documents required to submit to immigration. There is nothing illegal or corrupt about that.

I agree, but if the ‘’legitimate agent’’ you refer to takes it without the applicant, it is illegal

As I said there is no market for this service, the American chef with blog on here, could not find one in Bangkok and had to do what the agent said he should do and did it himself!

 

It was reported last year that the British government issued YS with a 10 year visitor visa!

Reported, yes but not confirmed

BPost reported on 29 May 2018 that the UK foreign ministry nor the Thai foreign ministry knew anything about it

They said BBC Thai, whose editor is based in London, attributed the information to "a source close to Yingluck", whose name was withheld. 

Yes very reliable…………

 

A copy of the bank book and letter are required on all files unless waived by a senior officer.

Yes and no, shown at application but not kept on file permanently

The local immigration centre often recycles these and uses the reverse side for scrap paper or 90 reports paper

It’s been reported on here many times that people have seen other people’s information and they have reported it and think it’s a data breach of personal information

However It’s usually kept for 3 months after the renewal/application takes place and discarded/recycled after 90 days report is made

thats why when internal investigation officers arrive they only ask for the last 3 months of papers

When they do they flick through them all and look only for a bankbook on file, nothing more

Obviously if the application has no bankbook on file and its not an income letter supported application then its suspect

they do not have the time to check every application for 800,000 baht, length of time 800,000 in account etc

If they kept all the paper they generated they would need a new office the size of CW just to store it

 

 

Maybe you could ask your ‘freind’ (it’s actually spelled friend) to show you a completed file. Inside you will see a submission form that’s completed by the IO and signed off by the offices senior officer

Yes I have seen it, lots of boxes for the officers to tick

Including one that says money in bank?

Easy to tick, and there’s many a spill betwixt cup and mouth…

 

The form lists everything required to allow the IO/office to issue an extension. If the file were ever audited, and a copy of the bank book was missing and a wavier wasn’t on file, the IO/Supervisor would have a problem.

Who exactly do you think they would they have a problem with?

 

As long as copies are on file the IO has covered their back. If seasoning — or any other requirement — has been waived the file would have to include a request from the supervisor that has been signed off by a senior officer.

Yes copies of a bank book on file is required these days

The days of presenting with no book was still going on by bottom feeders at 12k until some weeks ago

IO have now told agents there must now be a bankbook on file

Presumably for this reason as you said: ‘’ As long as copies are on file the IO has covered their back’’.

So that’s OK then…..

 

How would anyone know it was a copy of a faked passbook? It’s a copy!

The original passbook with the applicants name on it must be given now

Why would anyone fake/copy a bankbook?

You just give a bankbook that easily available from any bank (if you know how)

You are getting ridiculous now , ha-ha

3 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

What scares people the most and keeps the majority of us in line? Loss of freedom. Mandatory 5 yr sentences for those involved in immigration corruption (agents/officers) and lifetime ban for foreigners. Periodically bring in undercover imm. agents to reinforce behavior.  

do you really think that immigration officers want agents arrested?

they know where all the bodies are buried

The only ones that will stop this are the IO themselves when they say to agents, i am sorry i cannot do it anymore, then that will be it but it will never happen

IO have mortgages, car finance , school fees to pay too

 

 

42 minutes ago, ginjag said:

Panama is the favourite of all,   google it for info.

my wealthy friend lived in Panama for a few years but moved to Uruguay for tax reasons

He loves it and says ts so much better than Panama

 

ps he came to Pattaya few years ago but despite staying in a suite at a very very top and very expensive hotel,(in my opinion) he did not like very much outside of it

he will not be coming back

hiso in and then out, never to return

13 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Yes I do.  That is referred to as a retirement visa on ThaiVisa and as a retirement visa in every immigration office in the country of Thailand. 

 

I can only surmise you have never been in an immigration office and asked, "renew retirement visa please."  Because they always know what you mean.  

 

Which is more readily understood on ThaiVisa or a Thai immigration office?  A.  Renewal of extension of an OA visa or B.  Renewal of retirement visa?   

 

To constantly correct people when they both know what they are talking about is just pedantic silliness. 

 

14 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Yes I do.  That is referred to as a retirement visa on ThaiVisa and as a retirement visa in every immigration office in the country of Thailand. 

 

I can only surmise you have never been in an immigration office and asked, "renew retirement visa please."  Because they always know what you mean.  

 

Which is more readily understood on ThaiVisa or a Thai immigration office?  A.  Renewal of extension of an OA visa or B.  Renewal of retirement visa?   

 

To constantly correct people when they both know what they are talking about is just pedantic silliness. 

just because they know what you mean does not make it so

many people refer to a vacuum cleaner as a Hoover but its not always a Hoover

like a Kleenex or a Jacuzzi or a jet ski

 

as to me being to immigration you surmise that i have never been to immigration nd asked for a retirement visa?

thats a big Joke on you Roman

as a 16 year veteran living in Thailand i have been to immigration countless times and when i want something i address it by its correct name in Thai

so i get exactly what i want

i only have to say retirement visa to accommodate people like you that neither accept what it actually is and refuse to refer to it as what it actually is

so i have to dumb down to your level to make myself understood

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

The bank-letter only shows the current balance, but I get what you mean.

 

Requires the seasoning-info is kept on-file permanently - or at least for the year the extension is active, or long enough to ensure a review is possible.  This would need some follow up - at least some spot-checking of actual bank-histories, to see if they match the (possibly fake) seasoning-proof copies.

 

Or just ban agents, like they did in the Philippines.  Now, in the PI, the IOs have nothing to gain by screwing anyone.  Of course, their rules are much more straightforward, which helps their process remain sane.

what about travel agents that offer visa services ?

most do

5 minutes ago, Olmate said:

Home country is what I was referring to as that’s where my bank is..please read my reply before jumping to respond!

what difference does that make?

you will not be renewing an O-A , you will be applying for a new O-A 

i read your confused post

stop digging you are there already

 

1 minute ago, Olmate said:

Truth is I don’t call u names and it don’t hurt me one way or the other! Now try to switch off this boring claim to flame!

you are not a mod to tell me anything

its a public forum where truth not rumor should be exchanged

this is the truth

ask UJ 

sorry you do not like the truth

14 minutes ago, Olmate said:

Who really minds is the point I think! I’m retired and have an extension based on retirement stemming from an OAM issued at home Thai Embassy. I am elligble for another new visa to repeat that process without moving funds to banks here and without using agents.Thats the point of this discussion surely!

you use the O-A to support a renewal of the extension for retirement purposes

you are not eligible for a new visa, as i am sure you know O-A is only granted in applicants home country and is never renewed

you mat be eligible for a renewal of your extension based on the non O-A visa

19 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

I have O-A retirement visa and extensions.  I have been retired in Thailand for 20 years.  My passport is stamped retirement many times.  I think you are being pedantic.  I see on Thai Visa 1000 times.  Why do you try and act smart?  Do you know somebody who knows somebody who talks to an Immigration officer once a year? 

you have an O-A visa with an extension for the purposes of retirement

the extension has been renewed many times

not once has the extension thats been granted from the O-A visa ever been stamped RETIREMENT VISA

i am not acting smart, or being pedantic i am just reacting to people like you who are wrong and get upset at being called out and call me name's for calling you out on it

despite seeing it, saying and perpetuating it through this portal  many thousands even millions of times

It does not make it so

there is no such thing as a retirement visa and a non O-A is not a retirement visa

truth is the truth even if it hurts you but about that i care not

30 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

Only when people say asinine things like, "There is no problem at immigration if you meet the requirements" - as if that were always true.  You cite others, and they say it's heresay, so you have to assert you have "been there and done that" yourself.  Then the newbies ask for the details, etc.

 

Are IOs lining their pockets with agent-money to issue extensions or not?  If so, yeah, that's a conspiracy by definition.  To describe it otherwise would require severe denial or reality, bordering on schizophrenia. 

ok Jack

i accept that

5 minutes ago, Spidey said:

I know of far more reputable visa agents who do the same thing. They don't need to forge the book though (AFAIAA). Most charge 15 - 20k for the service.

maybe they do, but the only reason that they do that is that they do not have multiple units of 800,000 baht

agents who have the funds to deposit for multiple clients do not have to forge or alter anything

The bank produces genuine letters and bankbook photocopies etc for them

6 minutes ago, David Walden said:

No wonder these sites are clogged up with irrelevant tripe.  It doesn't matter we are talking about an O-A   M visa which you can retire on within Thailand.  Lord stone the crows.

if you have  non O-A you are not retired in Thailand

you have been granted a one years stay, that can be stretched out to two years

you can use it to support a retirement extension application and show, income, cash or combo to support the application

even then you would not have a retirement visa as it does not exist

you would have an extension of a non O-A visa for the purposes of retirement

facts are facts Jack

 

13 minutes ago, Spidey said:

I have heard of some agents doing exactly that.

but that would be illegal but as done by the hard faced woman with the black Porsche Cayenne at the now closed visa office opposite Friendship

she charged 12k and forged the book part

in the end she sat on a load of applications until she had 2 million or so then left for Sweden

theres  warrant out on her and a contract 

see who gets her first

the person who she did visas for remain unaffected