notamember

30 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

I will, but would point out that according to a few posters - there haven't been any rule changes over the last few years!

 

There have been many, and presumably the 'photo must be taken by the applicant attending in person' is yet another......

we are talking about agent applications aren't we?

IO to agent instructions are not something you are likely to read in police order No 9

Two years ago the picture of an applicant sitting down in an office type chair against a white back ground was required

this last year 2018 its been of a person standing up against a white background

They took some originals photos in the same stance against a white background with ''legitimate'' applicants to make it look like it was standard practice

Even agent applicants have to attend in person now

The big pictures is being phased out now except for non attendance for medical reasons

19 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

I gave all the necessary documentation to my agent a week or so ago for my retirement extension renewal. (edit - Not due until the end of the month.)

 

She took a 'photo of me against a white wall on her digital camera.

 

I'll let you know as to whether my renewal is granted, or whether Immigration demand that I attend in person for the 'photo.

that will be interesting, they are only entertaining such applications now for medical reasons which need pictorial evidence and or/a doctors certificate

they stopped doing the big picture very recently

Maybe thats why its taking a week, maybe choosing a good time to slide it through

After a photo session, its normally a next day service unless the applicant wants to add a re-entry permit then its normally a two day service

please update

1 hour ago, JackThompson said:

Notice how the guy standing at the overstay desk is dressed - in the sleeveless shirt.  Almost every time I was in that office, there was one of those at that desk.  Usually flip-flops, too. 

agreed there were 3 there this morning in wifebeaters

its a uniform i think 

3 hours ago, luckyluke said:

Was at Jomtien Immigration last week to pick up my passport with 1 year extension + photo taken.

 

There was a guy with a ticket to pick up his  passport as myself, the guy was completely lost, didn't know what to do with his ticket, neither where to go.

 

Seems to me like a guy who never entered the Jomtien Immigration before.

 

Now if one go for the first time to Immigration one can be completely lost.

 

But as he was holding a ticket he was supposed to be there the day or a couple days before.

 

Or...

Or...a guy who had  never picked up his passport before......

45 minutes ago, rott said:

I understand your point, it is their rule so if they decide not to enforce it "up to them".

so by elvajeiro playbook its ok not to pay 1900 baht either

its just a rule to be legally bypassed

Just now, Andrew Dwyer said:

Instead of calling it a retirement visa why don’t we just call it :
An extension of your permission to stay permit based on an O-A Multiple Entry ( Long Stay ) Visa.

Much easier

because it is not always and would not always be correct

the fact that you think it is shows how little people actually now about it

4 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

In reality they could shut down the whole agent thing in a heartbeat just by having the photos taken with an IO, immigration crest in the background etc.

peter, thats whats happens now with agents candidates

go look

12 minutes ago, elviajero said:

That’s the problem with people like you; you don’t read what others actually write.

 

I have never said it’s a visa. I have said that I don’t have a problem with everyone except a few TVF pedants calling it a visa; for the reasons I’ve explained.

 

You haven’t proved me wrong about anything. You have proved you can’t read.

 

If you’ve ever had an extension of stay look at the message under the extension stamp that refers to it as a “STAY PERMIT”.

this is part of an advice reference to get a re-entry permit

it is not a description of the extension that has been granted for retirement

my god you are really clutching at straws now and you call me pedantic !

on the basis of your previous comments on such notices, rules not laws

this falls into the elvajeiro categorization as a legally bypassable rule anyway 

6 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

When you use an agent you usually supply the standard PP photos and a photo (full body) of you seated in front of a white background, apparently immigration then uses this photo, or may even take a photo of this photo. Its pretty standard, some photo shops include it when getting some PP photos.

like i said not any more

ask your agent

30 minutes ago, notamember said:

first you said it was a visa and you were proved wrong,

now its not a visa anymore, its now a permit

which it is not either

are there any more names you want to rename it to try to wriggle off the being wrong hook?

in the passport ink stamp granted for retirement , in the small print it actually says ''extension ''

it does not say VISA

It does not say PERMIT

1 minute ago, jacko45k said:

Are you saying that as of some recent date all extension applicants are being required to attend immigration for this photo requirement, agent or not? When do you believe this started?

yes, for agent derived applications :

about 3 months ago for first time applicants

about 6 weeks ago for renewal applicants

8 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

But as I said, some never even go to immigration. So how would that be achieved? Mugs like you or I, who try to do it by the book, yes we have such a picture taken. (Except for mine, it was so much more chaotic!). 

like i said, not anymore

10 minutes ago, rott said:

Years ago there used to be one, not exactly that heading but same thing. Don't know what happened to it.

guess baht was weaker, life was better and it fell into disuse and was demolished

19 minutes ago, elviajero said:

It is a PERMIT. It is a “stay permit” granting an extension of stay!

 

 

first you said it was a visa and you were proved wrong,

now its not a visa anymore, its now a permit

which it is not either

are there any more names you want to rename it to try to wriggle off the being wrong hook?

10 minutes ago, rott said:

I find myself agreeing with elvajero, strange. Perhaps I need to drink more. ????

if its OK to break the rule that application must be made in person, surely it must follow that to its OK to break the rule and not pay 1900 baht too?

elvajiero is wrong, and so are you

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

Yes, but that is you, I have talked to others who never go to immigration at all. I have read some supply pictures to agents, and I think I read of supplying one via email. When I pick up my passport with the Extension, the young lady uses a webcam. I just figured the same pic would pop up when I used the passport to leave Thailand for the IO to check. 

Different processes of obtaining the Extensions are at play, it is all well organised and thought out, and as your comment confirms, goes well into the office itself. 

not any more, you have to show your face, with immigration as a backdrop albeit only for a few minutes

8 hours ago, elviajero said:

 

Except when it’s marketed, bought and used as a retirement visa. Then it indisputably is.

you asked the question

i answered correctly, even though its the truth

you do not like the answer as it does not suit you and makes you wrong and you do not like it

thats all this is about

your ego

to think i actually used to read your posts to get information and thought you were solid like UJ, wow, was i wrong...

8 hours ago, elviajero said:

I agree; nowhere on an extension stamp is it called a visa, but neither is it stamped with what it is, which is a ‘Permit’.

 

If you want to be pedantic and stop people referring to it as a “Retirement Visa”; the correct short hand description should be ‘Retirement Permit’.

 

As the overwhelming majority of travelers refer to anything stuck or stamped in a passport as a visa (in line with the general definition); and a permit can be described, by definition (google it) as a visa; I don’t see the problem with referring to a Retirement Permit as as Retirement Visa. And agents, lawyers, immigration, embassies etc. seem to agree.

its not a permit its an extension for RETIREMENT as stamped in everyones passport

you cannot rename just because its suits your purpose now and you cannot bring yourself to admit you are wrong and call it by its correct name

8 hours ago, elviajero said:

 

Except when it’s marketed, bought and used as a retirement visa. Then it indisputably is.

but it isn't marketing does not change its core

its just marketing

indisputably

22 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

An O-A visa may be issued for retirement purposes.  And "Retirement Visa" is the term most used by Thai Immigration officers. 

a non immigrant non O-A visa is not issued specifically for retirement purposes

no more than an O visa is or a B visa is or an ED visa is

whilst they and many other non immigrant type visas can support a retirement extension they are not issued for retirement purposes either

there is no specific non immigrant visa that is specifically named or issued specifically to be used to support a retirement extension

Its more 100 times moire common for a single entry non immigrant O visa be used to support a retirement extension than it is to use a non O-A visa

An O-A visa is a long stay visa not a retirement visa

no matter how many ways you want to slice and dice it, it just is not

Just because immigration have to dumb down and use the term to make sure foreigners understand what they think they mean , it is still not a retirement visa

Roman there is no specific retirement visa in Thailand

that Q tip in your ear?

stop pushing, you are there

29 minutes ago, mike787 said:

 My sperm are like diamonds.

rare?

1 hour ago, elviajero said:

Please do not go on. Those examples are not analogous! I have provided you with the relevant analogies.

 

Explain why it's ok to call a visa issued for tourism a Tourist Visa, BUT it's not ok to call a visa issued for retirement a Retirement Visa.

because an O-A visa is not issued specifically for retirement purposes

27 minutes ago, Spidey said:

US vs Aussie. My money's on the Aussie.

yes me too but right beats might

UJ is right DW is wrong