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11 minutes ago, David Walden said:

Just look at the Royal Thai Embassy web site in your country under RETIREMENT VISA.  It's all there in black and white.  If it's good enough for the Thai Embassies worldwide to talk about it to be called as an O-A  M retirement visa as a retirement visa well that is what it is.  Talk about pedantics upon pedantics...get a life.'   "A rose by any other name will still be a rose".       http://canberra.thaiembassy.org/Home/visa

you or they or anyone can say it as often as you like but it is still not a retirement visa

its not pedantics, its just not a retirement visa , that is a fact

especially as there is no such thing as a retirement visa 

 

 

17 minutes ago, jvs said:

What if the agents money is in the account year round and they just change the names?Sounds a lot easier.

that would be falsifying documents

8 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

 

So, you're now aware that the poster, Jackthomson, claims he was twice refused service despite making a perfectly legitimate request for an extension.

 

My suggestion is that wearing a bodycam in such circumstances might just deter such behaviour by the IO. Nothing to do with sweeteners passing over, or under the table. Just encouragement to do the job they are paid to do.

duh! ya fink?

i have read this same report from JT many, many times

i am sure he  copy/pastes it and weaves it into every post he makes

in fact If you had said it was a report from JT then i would not have had to go back to #57, i almost know it by heart

JT has had a hard on for agents and IO for years

He has a conspiratorial nature and is frustrated that no one cares

Poor JT......

2 minutes ago, Olmate said:

You are kidding,right?

not kidding  check it yourself

they will not issue an O visa so the applicant can do the retirement extension after arrival in Thailand

They push applicants into an O-A visa and call it a retirement visa

Thats why Americans  think an O-A Visa is a retirement visa 

if you see someone on TV referring to an O-A visa as a retirement visa, i would bet they are an American

 

35 minutes ago, Olmate said:

You well know what he means, ughhh!

yes its a myth perpetrated by the Thai Embassy in Washington that sells them to Americans as retirement visas for $200

 

9 minutes ago, Psimbo said:

Have a look at the way cameras face in YOUR immigration office next time you are in.

 

Your other comment doesn't warrant a response.

unless you have been in the camera control room you do not know

same as you do not know anything about the propensity of a female officer to be less or more corrupt than a male counterpart

At the end of the day, you are just guessing like 99% of the contributors to this thread

9 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

Yet another poster who dives in half way through a thread and jumps to completely the wrong conclusion.

 

Go back to #57 on page 4, read the full story and try again. 

yes i read it now but how does it relate to wearing a bodycam that you think will record something untoward going on?

it will not achieve or record anything

its a silly suggestion

3 minutes ago, David Walden said:

It seems to me that you would be a very good candidate to apply for you to apply for an O-A   M Retirement visa at the Thai Embassy in your home country.  I've put lots of posts about this on ThaiVisa in the past, many do get their retirement visa in their home country.  It's all on the Thai Embassy web site.  Probably the same cost in Canada as in Australia.  Aus $275 +police and medical reports and a bit of paperwork.  It's good for 2 years.  The 1st year only is multi-entry.  You can make as many entries in the first year free come and go often as you like, no limit.  If you depart Thailand and return a day before the visa expires (12 months) you can then stay for another 364 days. If you depart during the extension period and want to come back you have to start the process all over again. 

   You do have to have equal to Bt800,000 in a bank a/c in your home country or as I do use a statement from my retirement fund's surrender value of more than = to Bt800,000.  I do not have now nor have I ever had a Bank a/c in Thailand in 7 years and I have an O-A   M retirement visa issued in Australia.  This method has been available for years.  I use my ING BANK free of fee's Debit card to get money.  I cannot find a simpler, cheaper or easier way to transfer money Aus to Thailand.  I have an ANZ Bank and a Citibank debit card as a backup, both do charge more than ING BANK.  ING BANK is cheaper and the exchange rate is excellent.  Just go to any ATM in the world and the download money it is free of all charges.

     I agree that the perhaps 1% interest you may receive if you do put money in a Thai bank a/c is very poor.  My across the board modest bank managed blue-chip investment retirement fund increases by about 10% each year.  Usually 6/7% dividends and 3/4 % capital gains ( not so good in the last few months? but coming back).  This fairly safe investment is available to anyone in most countries.  Just about set and forget.  40% Aus blue chips shares (ASX200) 20% international blur chip share and a variety of other investments that the bank fund tell me they are good.  Some in the ANZ Bank and some in the Reserve Bank Of Australia (where they print the Aus money).  If the Aus Reserve Bank goes broke so would the rest of the world (you can't insure against that).  My fund often goes up or down a bit in sympathy with the local and international share markets or if Mr Trump sneezes.

    The about to be released Royal Commission Report into the financial industry is showing that all banks, pension funds and Insurance companies in Australia have been telling fibs or should lies upon lies for years.  Will be available to the public tomorrow Monday 4th Feb 2019.  Sparks will fly.

     It seems to me that there is really only a small noisy minority kicking up a fuss and making a never-ending lot of useless posts on the internet and making problems for the 90% of applicants that are doing things the right way as Thailand insists it is done, yes, their way if you want to get a retirement visa in Thailand read the instruction!!!.  All you have to do to qualify is have Bt800,000 either in a bank a/c in Thailand or equal to the same amount in a bank a/c in your home country and a bit of paperwork.  The 10% who have not got the required money are just "rocking the boat".  Still good to go if you can beg steal or borrow the funds (it not gunna change) bit similar in Thailand with the girls  "no money no honey".  I don't think the Thai government is remotely concerned if the 10% with little or no money just leave, yes go to To Cambodia, Vietnam or the Philippines.  You'll be back soon with the dough soon?.

   To get a retirement visa in Australia $2,00,000 is a good starting point.

An O-A visa is not a retirement visa

in fact there is no such thing as a retirement visa

1 minute ago, Psimbo said:

Bin the agents and set up a system that attempts for bribes can be reported. Things won't change overnight but aim for evolution, not revolution.

 

Set up cameras inside the public areas of Immigration offices that cover the areas where IOs interface with 'customers'. At present 'customers' cameras are banned in the offices- we all know why. 

 

Encourage an influx of newer IOs and get rid of the corrupt deadwood that sit behind desks at present. Female officers in my experience seem to be less, if at all, corrupt as well (and in most cases are far more pleasing on the eye.

there are many cameras in Immigration already

how do you know a female officer is less corrupt?

did you try to bar fine her?

2 hours ago, Moonlover said:

Wear a bodycam on your next visit to TI.

and record what? sitting down and having your picture taken?

do you imagine that an agent pulls out a wad of 1000's and gives it to the officer in front of a customer?

you are so naive, 

9 hours ago, elviajero said:

It was reported last year that the British government issued YS with a 10 year visitor visa!

 

A copy of the bank book and letter are required on all files unless waived by a senior officer.

 

Maybe you could ask your ‘freind’ to show you a completed file. Inside you will see a submission form that’s completed by the IO and signed off by the offices senior officer.

 

The form lists everything required to allow the IO/office to issue an extension. If the file were ever audited, and a copy of the bank book was missing and a wavier wasn’t on file, the IO/Supervisor would have a problem.

 

As long as copies are on file the IO has covered their back. If seasoning — or any other requirement — has been waived the file would have to include a request from the supervisor that has been signed off by a senior officer.

A legitimate agent is helping the client put together the documents required to submit to immigration. There is nothing illegal or corrupt about that.

I agree, but if the ‘’legitimate agent’’ you refer to takes it without the applicant, it is illegal

As I said there is no market for this service, the American chef with blog on here, could not find one in Bangkok and had to do what the agent said he should do and did it himself!

 

It was reported last year that the British government issued YS with a 10 year visitor visa!

Reported, yes but not confirmed

BPost reported on 29 May 2018 that the UK foreign ministry nor the Thai foreign ministry knew anything about it

They said BBC Thai, whose editor is based in London, attributed the information to "a source close to Yingluck", whose name was withheld. 

Yes very reliable…………

 

A copy of the bank book and letter are required on all files unless waived by a senior officer.

Yes and no, shown at application but not kept on file permanently

The local immigration centre often recycles these and uses the reverse side for scrap paper or 90 reports paper

It’s been reported on here many times that people have seen other people’s information and they have reported it and think it’s a data breach of personal information

However It’s usually kept for 3 months after the renewal/application takes place and discarded/recycled after 90 days report is made

thats why when internal investigation officers arrive they only ask for the last 3 months of papers

When they do they flick through them all and look only for a bankbook on file, nothing more

Obviously if the application has no bankbook on file and its not an income letter supported application then its suspect

they do not have the time to check every application for 800,000 baht, length of time 800,000 in account etc

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If they kept all the paper they generated they would need a new office the size of CW just to store it

 

 

Maybe you could ask your ‘freind’ (it’s actually spelled friend) to show you a completed file. Inside you will see a submission form that’s completed by the IO and signed off by the offices senior officer

Yes I have seen it, lots of boxes for the officers to tick

Including one that says money in bank?

Easy to tick, and there’s many a spill betwixt cup and mouth…

 

The form lists everything required to allow the IO/office to issue an extension. If the file were ever audited, and a copy of the bank book was missing and a wavier wasn’t on file, the IO/Supervisor would have a problem.

Who exactly do you think they would they have a problem with?

 

As long as copies are on file the IO has covered their back. If seasoning — or any other requirement — has been waived the file would have to include a request from the supervisor that has been signed off by a senior officer.

Yes copies of a bank book on file is required these days

The days of presenting with no book was still going on by bottom feeders at 12k until some weeks ago

IO have now told agents there must now be a bankbook on file

Presumably for this reason as you said: ‘’ As long as copies are on file the IO has covered their back’’.

So that’s OK then…..

 

How would anyone know it was a copy of a faked passbook? It’s a copy!

The original passbook with the applicants name on it must be given now

Why would anyone fake/copy a bankbook?

You just give a bankbook that easily available from any bank (if you know how)

You are getting ridiculous now , ha-ha

 

 

23 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

ROFLMAO.

take care with the rolling around, after 70 your old bones will be brittle and it can affect you brain too,

huh? whats that? 

i said it can affect your brain too!

4 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

But they gave his sister a visa?  Is he still mad at the UK?

 

So do they keep copies of the seasoning proof?  I am surprised anyone involved in this massive scheme uses "fake documents" that could hang them.

 

Visa ended was not renewed

there are no fake documents to keep on file as there is no requirement to keep any documents related to the seasoning on file

 

1 minute ago, elviajero said:

I presume nothing. And you are just making up numbers.

 

An agent can be anyone (visa agent, lawyer, HR dept). And any agent can charge a fee for a service. Facts.

 

A legitimate agent is helping the client put together the documents required to submit to immigration. There is nothing illegal or corrupt about that.

 

You are conflating fraudulent applications submitted (with or without an IO’s help), with legit applications.

stop digging, you are there

so many people know how to do it now with the help of sites like this there is really no market for the kind of applications you talk/approve of

 

not making up numbers, i know the numbers

 

Just now, Spidey said:

Are you banging him?

not that guy

Just now, Tanoshi said:

Unless you work for Immigration you don't know.

i do not work for immigration but have a very close relationship with someone who does

so i know more than you know and more than elvajiero knows unless either or both of you have a very close relationship with someone who does

 

3 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Of course I am. 

unless you work for immigration

you do not know

4 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Like you I have no idea. Regardless paying an agenr to help with a legitimate application is not illegal or corrupt.

you presume wrong

i can tell you that few agents are processing that kind of service

it makes up less than 3% of all applications

 

Many agents do not even offer that kind of service at all

i remember an arrogant American chef spouting on this very forum and being so incensed at being told no by an agent that he wrote a whole blog about it

All because the agent would not accept money from him to process it 

The agent had asked him, ''why not do it yourself, you do not need an agent? he said because ''i can pay you to do it''

The agent said no thanks, you can't

Hence the arrogant chefs blog and a few pages of defamatory comment on Thaivisa

 

if visa agents only processed the kind of applications you approve of, there would be no agents at all but for no other reason that there is no demand for that kind of service

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Nowhere near as many as pay for the VIP service. No 800k baht, no need to go to immigration.

have  to go now spidey, have your picture taken

11 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Of course it’s ok, and not corrupt.

 

You're paying for a service.

do you have any idea at all how many people pay agents for that kind of service?

4 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

No.

The TM.7 clearly says 

"APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT THE APPLICATION IN PERSON

"WITH THE EXCEPTIONS OF HANDICAPPED PATIENTS OR PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES

So, except if you physically can't go to the Immigration, an agent should not be authorised to do the extension for you.

 

1 minute ago, elviajero said:

Of course it’s ok, and not corrupt.

 

You're paying for a service.

do you have any idea at all how many people pay agents for that kind of service?

 

lets try to sort this out once and for all:

if an agent processes an application for a customer or hand-holds a customer through the process that the applicant qualified for in every respect and could have done by themselves but instead decided to pay someone to do it for them / help them

That is OK?

is that a non corrupt agent ?

27 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

The agents only exist because there are expats asking for this service...

no receivers, no thieves?

long proven not to be true

same applies here