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32 minutes ago, edwardflory said:

As posted MANY times.  Depends on your LOCAL IO policy.  Find out BEFORE you leave the country.

32 minutes ago, edwardflory said:

As posted MANY times.  Depends on your LOCAL IO policy.  Find out BEFORE you leave the country.

Or the mood of the individual Immigration Officer you are dealing with.

2 minutes ago, koratkarlos said:

The only item I can add is that when I returned last December from the US, then went into Chiang Mai to get my Non-O visa, I was 4 days late for TM30 reporting and they fined me 1900 THB.  I returned home to my wife at our house.  What I did not understand is why they did not have this form at the airport when I re-entered Thailand.

I asked the same question when I got detained by Immigration for not reporting an address change within the allotted time, their answer was I should have checked the requirements before arriving in Thailand.

2 hours ago, roo860 said:

I've still got my tatty one from 7 yrs ago, with my same condo address. Been back to UK around 6 times.

Where is your I.O ?

2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

I renewed my pp couple of months ago.

Had visa info and stamps transferred at CW. 

NO TM30 required 

Biggest problem is there is no consistency with Immigration Offices nor even with individual Immigration Officers.

9 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

TM30 has nothing to do with TM47 unless you are changing address. 

It is connected if you left the country and didn’t do a TM30 on your return, after 90 Days of returning and doing your 90 Day Report the IO will know if you have done a TM30 if not you could be fined.

Off topic, do Jomtien still require a TM30 if you return to the same address and have long term visa, rumours are they don’t now but agents say they do ?

26 minutes ago, topt said:

Your comment was to somebody who asked about 90 day reports - nothing to do with TM30?

 

If you haven’t done a TM30 when you do your 90 Day Report you could be fined depending on the IO you report to.so it has everything to do with a 90 Day Report.

1 minute ago, topt said:

Why - what problem could arise?

If Immigration had required a TM30 you would be fined, grey area as some posters now saying if you are on a long term visa and leave Thailand and return to the same address a TM30 is not required now ?

9 minutes ago, Tongski said:

 

Thank you and appreciate the suggestion.

I frequently travel out of the country and never stay in Thailand over a 90-day period.  Since the 90-days restarts on your most current re-entry into Thailand, would I possibly not ever have to submit a 90-day report?  

Correct but it could pose a problem when renewing your visa.

There appears to be no consistency at Jomtien, my agent said the other week a TM30 is still required, yes they could be touting for business albeit they are probably one of the busiest in Pattaya judging by the number of Passports they have in their filing cabinets.

We am moving house next door, it involves dismantling wardrobes and reassembling them in the other property, there is also a TV Display Unit as well. 2 short flights of stairs involved one when removing from our current property and one in the house next door. All the furniture can be hand carried to the new house.

2 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Most apartments will charge their own rate, most condos, having private owners, will get government rated bills direct from the MEA/PEA.

Wasn’t there a law made where if there was above a certain number of condos in a building they could only charge government rates albeit I doubt it’s ever enforced ?

Change light bulbs to LED ones

The tree is now growing over the car, the owner isn’t a Policeman but we think he is a traffic warden monitoring food sellers. The owner of the house where the car is parked outside has stuck 2 polite notices on it to move it as he wants to prune the tree. He has now moved out the area, he comes very rarely to inspect it.

2 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

There is your solution right there in your own words... you were happy to skip the TM30 requirement because IO's weren't concerned... but it was still a requirement... you couldn't be bothered... the cost of 500 baht is nothing compared to the cost of being "found out" for non compliance for 4 years so pay it and shut up... now you want to make it the landlord's "duty" and are willing to break your lease and forfeit the 2 month's security deposits... sounds like neither you nor your landlord have very good communication skills. 

I never skipped the TM30 in the previous 4 years, you need to keep upto date. It was only recently Immigration required a TM30 to be filed even if you were returning to the same address. When I re entered Thailand last year the owner did the TM30 but at the same time complaining it cost him 500 baht. This time he gave me 2 documents which didn’t align and refused to give me one’s that did so I could do a TM30. My wife asked him on numerous occasions for them, he refused and he gave us 2 months notice.

Fortunately I avoided the embarrassment of going to Immigration with the wrong documents and a possible fine and used an agent who initially said they couldn’t do it because of this but in the end did.

Why would the ‘owner’ give me a House Book’ which is not in his name but his ID Card, obviously he doesn’t own the property and must of been aware the documents wouldn’t be accepted at Immigration ?

Finally got to the bottom of the problem re the ‘owners’ documents, he gave me a copy of his ID Card and a copy of a House Book, the name on the House Book wasn’t his. My wife asked the ‘owner’ for a copy of the ID Card of the name of

the person on the House Book,  he stormed off ranting and raving giving us 2 months notice to leave. The name of the person on the House Book was registered over 20 years ago, no idea who he is.

2 minutes ago, JimTripper said:

So what? You still need the docs. Does not make any difference who is renting it out. Get the docs or they don't get paid. Stop making excuses. Demand the documents you need at the same time you pay the deposit. There's no reason to withhold info and you deserve the papers you need.

I demanded the document his Tabien Baan several times, he was not forthcoming, his parting words, I’m giving you 2 months notice to leave..

6 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

take out the AC as well just for good measure

I would do if we had installed it, he wanted us to pay for a new water pump last year, my wife said ok but we take it with us when we leave, after that he initially installed a second hand one which didn’t work then he installed a new one.

1 hour ago, Chivas said:

 

lol i clearly said Condo but point taken

Surely its always best not to get any potential grief in the first place

The potential grief was caused by the Thai owner, last time he complained when he had to pay 500 baht for a TM30 as he used an agent, this was over a year ago. This time he refused to do one and then not give me a copy of his Tabien Baan as required by Immigration to do a TM30 myself. I could have gone to Immigration but due to the owner not giving me his documents I was outside the time limit for registering a TM30, I am not sure how much sympathy Immigration would have give me, I did have a copy of his Thai ID, rental agreement and a document indicating that I was occupier of the house, 

My Thai wife has to communicate with owner, he doesn’t speak English, he tends to shout when my wife speaks to him, a bit of a bully tbh but she will give as good as she gets.

its his loss, we have lived the house for over 4 years, good tenants always paid rent on time, doing minor repairs, regrouting wall and floor tiles, adding additional sockets and water taps, they will be removed when we vacate the property.

3 hours ago, JimTripper said:

Man up. Either you get the documents first or you go with a different agent. The agent in question risks losing the commission. Usually every agent in town knows about the same property and it's listed for rent on all their websites. Look for an agent who needs to close the deal.

 

Don't let them rush you into a deal. Nobody gets paid until you pay them. They will sometimes try to trick you into believing many people are looking, or it will be gone tomorrow, etc.

 

My comment was what to do next time. The Op has already handed over money so they don't have much leverage now.

Edit the property was not rented through an agent, it’s quite common for owners to put sign on gate with telephone number.

1 minute ago, JimTripper said:

Man up. Either you get the documents first or you go with a different agent. Ghe agent in question risks losing the commission. Usually every agent in town knows about the same property.

The property was rented through an agent.

31 minutes ago, john donson said:

so you need the blue book of the condo, id card of owner, HIS blue book of his house, a contract ,    a tm 30

 

you can ask the agent for it, but they will want a deposit first...

 

so how to you enforce you get all the papers you need for immigration before paying anything ?

He refused to give me his house book, I already had a copy of his ID Card, eventually an agent did the TM30 initially refusing because I didn’t have the owners  house book, 500 baht.

26 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Well, unless there's a camera 😄

No camera.

26 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Perhaps she could have scouted for you before renting.

 

I do rely on my Thai GF's advice when dealing with other Thais.

 

Unfortunately, unless you take him to court, there's little chance he will do the right thing. Lawyers are expensive.

How do you go about go about scouting, he owns 4 houses in a block, it was only when tenants  left after we moved we discovered he didn’t return their deposit.

4 hours ago, Lacessit said:

You said in another post your wife got to know the neighbors. Is she Thai?

After we moved in.