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1 hour ago, Wobblybob said:

Hope this helps your understanding of the expression "Plausable allegations of genocide", straight from the horses mouth so to speak. 

Sorry for my delay in responding, as you know I don’t view video links posted in this discussion forum and therefore went in search of the source BBC Interview.

You are correct, the statements in news reports that the ICJ ruled that Israel is plausibly committing genocide have now been corrected by the former and importantly contemporaneous chief of the ICJ.

Why she’s waited months to make this correction is not explained.

On the full interview she goes on to discuss the ongoing risk of irreparable damage to the right of Palestinians to protected from genocide and of course the ICJ orders all still stand:

(a) Unanimously,
Take all necessary and effective measures to ensure, without delay, in full co-operation with the United Nations, the unhindered provision at scale by all concerned of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance, including food, water, electricity, fuel, shelter, clothing, hygiene and sanitation requirements, as well as medical supplies and medical care to Palestinians throughout Gaza, including by increasing the capacity and number of land crossing points and maintaining them open for as long as necessary;
(b) By fifteen votes to one,
Ensure with immediate effect that its military does not commit acts which constitute a violation of any of the rights of the Palestinians in Gaza as a protected group under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, including by preventing, through any action, the delivery of urgently needed humanitarian assistance;

https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203847

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Of course he did. It was intended to help the Gazan civilians

It was intended to empower Hamas as a counter to the Palestinian Authority and thereby scupper the movement towards a Palestinian State.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

The funding was happening anyway, his role in it was to facilitate it to the intended recipients with the knowledge of the US. It went to UN, UNRWA, salaries, rebuilding etc

 

The fact you keep bringing this up when you admit "I have no idea what Hamas would have done had without the funding Netanyahu played a role in securing for them."

 

Says it all. 

Nevertheless Netanyahu did support this funding.  
 

He’s now waging war against the organization he helped fund and Palestinians are paying the cost of (what’s the word of the day?) ‘Carnage’ of civilians.

None of which excuses the obscene terrorist attack of 7/10.

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The current situation is that the IDF are poised to go into Rafah and free the hostages and wipe out Hamas and there will be an escalation of the war and there will most likely be carnage .

   Numerous Government released a statement last week telling Hamas to immediately release the hostages .

  The Governments released that statement telling Hamas not to ask them for support in the forth coming war , as they are responsible for not releasing the hostages

So are you now accepting your statement regarding the Palestinians on Rafah having no reason to complain about the carnage they are facing was callous and void of humanity?

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

If that is the case why not shout for Hamas to take up the latest hostage deal offer and there will then be no carnage?

I certainly think that Israel and Hamas need to stop the war war and engage in some jaw jaw.

The hostages absolutely must be released and the ‘carnage’ absolutely must stop.

No arguments from me on that front.

It’s well past time for both sides to negotiate through an independent third party.

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Oh..............

 

"Hamas, funded for years with the agreement of Netanyahu,"

 

Hamas would have carried this out with any help or agreement from Netanyahu. Stop the victim blaming

 

They had plenty of funding and training from Iran and Qatar was funding anyway before he facilitated and after. The fact that you bring this up as an excuse it shameful

I have no idea what Hamas would have done had without the funding Netanyahu played a role in securing for them.

But he’s now on both sides of the equations.

Funding Hamas and waging war in Gaza.

Those are facts.

They are absolutely not excuses for the obscene attack of 7/10 and attack I have always roundly condemned as an obscenity and for which I have never made any excuse.

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  "Rag head" is a abusive  abusive term and so not comparable to labelling someone as being a Jew , but using the term"Openly Black" is indeed comparable to labelling someone as being openly Jewish 

We agree on something 🙂

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

All here. Enough of the flaming

 

 

Point the excuses out Brian.

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I don't remember posting that , could you refresh the post where I stated that ?

I seem to recall that I stated that Hamas have been told to free the hostages now by numerous Countries , and so thy cannot complain when there's carnage in Rafah (because they can stop the carnage by releasing the hostages)

Here’s what you said:

15 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The U.K Government along with numerous other Countries  has just told the Palestinians to immediately release the hostages , that is telling the Palestinians  not to complain when there's carnage in Rafah soon, your side have been warned .

  Your side have been marching for six months now in London , you certainly won the marching competition :)  

Utterly callous and void of any human decency.

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Making excuses for the attack. Blaming BiBi and co. Pretty simple meaning

Excuses you can’t quote.

Because they don’t exist.

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

And that schism in Palestinian government is due to Mahmoud Abbas's intransigence and lust for glory and not Benjamin Netanyahu('s intransigence and lust for glory).

Yet more revisionism.

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

If I was you I would think next time before posting and making excuses for the atrocities 

Put up or shut up Brian.

 
Produce the evidence of me making excuses for atrocities.

Give it your best go.

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No need. I already quoted your post once and responded to it. 😴

Laugh out loud moment Brian.

Once again you make an accusation, and when you are challenged to back it up you hide.

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   How would you describe the situation when the IDF go into Rafah looking for Hamas and the hostages .

  I predict there will carnage , what will you predict it will be like ?

It will be the final push to wipe Hamas out .

Don't you think that there will be carnage ?

 

Absolutely the Israelis will create carnage when they attack the densely populated Rafah.

Here’s the difference between us on the matter.

I don’t support the carnage, I don’t justify the carnage, I don’t excuse the carnage, I don’t pretend there are no other options than a military attack that absolutely will result in carnage and I don’t argue, as you do, the civilians in Rafah have no reason to complain when the Israelis visit carnage upon them. 

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

It's all in the post you made. It won't go away.

Go on then, quote me.

Explain what I’ve said that is making excuses for the obscene terrorist attack of 7/10.

Give it your best go Brian.

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Your post was deliberately generating excuses for it. Fact. Victim blaming. Fact

No it’s not.

Because I have ‘generated’ any ‘excuses’.

Away with you and your misrepresentation of my views.

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   It was the Hamas pacifist social Government that Israel initially worked with and funded .

Hamas then formed a military wing who waged war on Israel .

The Hamas military wing and the Hamas Government were two separate groups .

Israel funded the Government and not the military wing , then the military wing seemed to completely take over 

Nothing like a bit of revisionism.

How’s your gleeful support for the carnage facing Rafah going.

I mean really Nick, you choose the word ‘carnage’ when you refer to what the Israeli military have in store for civilians in Rafah, and tell us that these on innocent civilians have no reason to complain about that ‘carnage’.

When you chose that word ‘carnage’ in reference to civilians, did you at all pause to think?

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Here comes the ignorant victim blaming for the atrocities carried out by terrorists.

I have never once denied the obscene atrocities committed by Hamas on 7/10.

My very first comments on the matter were to clearly state the attack of 7/10 was an obscenity.

So away with you and your misrepresentations of my views.

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Could you try and explain how you came to that conclusion from reading my post ?

I stated that civilians  aren't starving to death

You read it as myself wanting to see Palestinians starving to death .

How did you logically get from A to B ?

There is no connection between my post and your claim .

It makes no sense 

I think your statement earlier that the civilians in Rafah have no reason the complain about the ‘carnage’* the Israelis military are about to visit upon them, was a bit of a tell.

*Carnage - your very own chosen word.

1 minute ago, Wobblybob said:

Maybe you listen to the terrorists version of events too much, Israel is fighting this war (which they didn't start) with kid gloves on, they have minimised casualties as much as humanely possible. Hamas must take responsibility for the deaths in Gaza for without them there would be none.

Hamas, funded for years with the agreement of Netanyahu, do bear responsibility for their obscene attack on 7/10.

The Israeli Government and Military bear responsibility for their military actions in Gaza, blockading food, water and medicines.

It’s not too difficult to understand.

13 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Au contraire, there were many 'innocent civilians' celebrating in Gaza when the Innocent civilians in Israel were massacred!

Maybe you should get back on topic!

Maybe you don’t like criticism of the slaughter and starvation of innocent civilians.

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

They don't express it. They don't have placards calling for it. They don't chant free the hostages. Why not?

Ah, the sin of alleged omission.

18 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Its too dangerous for them , they could get killed 

That’s not an argument against giving journalists a choice of whether or not they want to go into Gaza to report on conditions there.

57 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Maybe Hamas needs to release the hostages, the demonstrators forget that little fact.

Do the Demonstrators forget that?

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Those civilians must be well hungry by now, they have been starving since October and still haven't died of starvation .

   Seems like the claims of starvation are not true , otherwise there would be some people starving to death 

Perhaps international journalists should be allowed into Gaza to independently report on what is going on there.