Chomper Higgot

I have never once denied the obscene atrocities committed by Hamas on 7/10. My very first comments on the matter were to clearly state the attack of 7/10 was an obscenity. So away with you and your misrepresentations of my views.

I think your statement earlier that the civilians in Rafah have no reason the complain about the ‘carnage’* the Israelis military are about to visit upon them, was a bit of a tell. *Carnage - your very own chosen word.

Hamas, funded for years with the agreement of Netanyahu, do bear responsibility for their obscene attack on 7/10. The Israeli Government and Military bear responsibility for their military actions in Gaza, blockading food, water and medicines. It’s not too difficult to understand.

Maybe you don’t like criticism of the slaughter and starvation of innocent civilians.

Ah, the sin of alleged omission.

That’s not an argument against giving journalists a choice of whether or not they want to go into Gaza to report on conditions there.

Do the Demonstrators forget that?

Perhaps international journalists should be allowed into Gaza to independently report on what is going on there.

The term ‘innocent civilians’ seems to have evaded your outrage.

The slaughter and starvation of innocent civilians isn’t getting any hostages released. Maybe Israel needs to try something else.

Sorry for mentioning a fact that you don’t like.

Or so you tell us.

Or you just couldn’t deal with it.

Yes, I accept non of this would be happening without the attack of 7/10. At the time I referred to that attack as an obscenity, I still regard that attack as an obscenity. Israel has every right to defend itself. But Israel also has obligations under international law. There are multiple options to Israel, the protest at objecting to the ongoing option chosen: Acceptance of Israel’s right to defend itself and to respond with force to the obscene attack of 7/10 does not come with a cart Blanche acceptance of the atrocities Israel is now committing. Opposition to Israel’s slaughter of innocent civilians, the blocking of food, medicines, water and power to a civilian population under siege and the exclusion of international news reporters from the war zone does not in any sense or way excuse or justify the obscene attack of 7/10. It’s very simple, one obscenity does not justify another. Opposing the ongoing slaughter is not hate.

You obviously didn’t understand my post. Perhaps deliberately so.

Thanks for truncating my post to try and score a point.

Gaslighting again. These are not hate marches. Though I do accept you hate protests against the slaughter of innocent civilians, the blocking of food, medicines, water and power to a civilian population under siege and the exclusion of international news reporters from the war zone (we couldn’t possibly be allowed to know what’s actually going on could we?!)

Oh the means justifies the ends argument. Even when the means stays into what the ICJ describes as ‘Plausible allegations of genocide’ You are wandering die the sewer of morally bankrupt justifications.

I mean the argument ‘You don’t have the right not to be offended’ which has been at the center of rightwing grievance politics these past few years has suddenly gone very quiet.

Oh the two atrocities make a right argument.

Hamas, which most reasonably balanced minds would accept are a terrorist organization, indeed they are a designated and proscribed terrorist organization. The fact the British Government and other Governments have told Hamas (Terrorist Organization) to immediately release the hostages and that Hamas (terrorist Organisation) has ignored those foreign governments sone how removes all reason for Innocent Palestinian in Rafah to complain when the Israelis visit carnage on them. Take look around you and see if you can find where you lost your morality, let alone sense of compassion for the innocent people who are about to be slaughtered. Oh an ‘Your side’?

You’ll need to come up with me stating anything among the lines of being opposed to anti-Semitic marches. The National Front are a Fascist, anti-Semitic and Islamophobic organization. Not a good choice of example I think.

I’ve made my views on this very clear. I believe he was engaging in Performative Grandstanding. The police have the power to ask anyone to move on. I’ve already criticized these powers the police have been given. I’m not on any Anti-Semitic side of anything. Your attempts to use the ‘ain’t-semantic’ slur to shut down my point of view is noted, as is the hypocrisy of you doing so while claiming to defend people’s right to voice their opinion (So long as you agree with those opinions seems to be the message).

Brace yourself. The testimony and evidence against Trump will be played down. Trump’s lawyers making laugh out loud mistakes will be played down. Trump falling asleep during the trial will be played down. One mistake, no matter how small, on the part of the Prosecutor’s lawyers will be spread all over the news, social media and this forum.

Is this something normal people in possession of a balanced mind worry about? Or is it the reserve of those who habitually bang on about immigrants and Muslims in particular?