Chomper Higgot

There is no unified ‘world response’, the response differs depending where you look, often widely within a single nation. I’ve not been ‘locked up’ and I don’t know anyone who has. The vaccines are not under test, away with you and your secondhand misinformation. I cannot speak to your emotions.

Let me see if you can grasp this. Vaccination programs are instigated by governments, they have an objective in mind when doing so. That objective is not as you so eloquently put it ‘banding together and cutting our nuts off’. The objective is to drive down infections, illness, hospitalizations, deaths and the associated social and economic impacts these have. The vaccinated are doing their bit, the unvaccinated are not. Your ludicrous strawmen arguments are noted for what they are.

Of course it’s possible to catch COVID and not die, but far too often it is not. Far too often COVID causes serious illness, hospitalization and death. But there is a cheap, safe and effective means to dramatically reduce these outcomes - vaccination. Putting aside the human tragedy of COVID killing people and the long term health impacts COVID causes in many, the economic impact of medical treatment and lives cut short are in themselves cause for serious concern. But hey, a few people show no symptoms and some more people don’t get seriously ill. So let’s forget those that do get seriously ill or die, it’s only unnecessary after all.

It’s not how to end the debate that matters, it’s how to end the pandemic. That’s where the vaccinated are doing their bit and the unvaccinated are not.

With well publicized bouts of emotional irrationally.

If its not your own body's immune system that will save you what will ? and don't say the vaccine because that is incorrect...the vaccine as I said before and you yourself mention above just gives the body's immune system a "heads up" That ‘heads up’ is enough to drastically reduce serious illness, hospitalization and the risk of death. Relying on your immune system without the help of a readily available, safe and effective vaccine is a fools game. Which is precisely why, dead is the new stupid.

You should have thought a bit more before wading in. The statement ‘Except that, without vaccination, the immune system is fairly defenseless against Delta infection.’ is not ‘proven’ false by the death rate being below 50%. Any infection that takes hold and causes damage to health demonstrates a fairly defenseless immune response to the virus. You need to add to the deaths, serious illnesses, hospitalizations and ‘long COVID’ illnesses. The evidence is that without vaccination our immune systems are fairly defenseless to the virus.

Musk, that world renowned epidemiologist, has been known to run his mouth on stuff he doesn’t understand, especially when it has anything to do with that complex set of things we call people..

There are two other issues: The dangerously misleading idea that getting infected is an acceptable path to immunity. The ridiculous idea that during a pandemic funds and medical services are going to be used for testing people before vaccinating them. The vaccines are safe and effective with a proven record of significantly reducing COVID transmission, serious illness, hospitalizations and deaths.

The heart of the matter is if your immune system has already been introduced to the vaccine you are significantly less likely to become ill, seriously ill, hospitalized or killed by the COVID virus. So give your immune system a safe and proven effective head start.

Or not.

They’ve gotta ‘bypass’ the virus first. Doh!

Well done, you’ve spotted the headline in an English language newspaper doesn’t reflect the nuances within the French language report it is referring too, https://www.epi-phare.fr/rapports-detudes-et-publications/impact-vaccination-covid-octobre-2021/ Let’s now see if you can answer your question ‘WHY?’ and if having figured it out it’s worth the rest of us bothering with your explanation.

Good luck. https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/if-youve-been-exposed-to-the-coronavirus Again, good luck, let us know how it goes.

I’d wait until the 21st then contact the District Public Health Office again. It might also be worth discussing this with your local Phu Yai Baan/Kanman, our has been very proactive in helping people get their shots.

Too much choice is often a bad thing. The madness of eschewing an available vaccine and risking COVID while waiting for the uncertain possibility of an alternative vaccine is an example. Get on the first available bus going in your general direction, the next might not turn up in time.

“Your conclusions rest on the assumption that the mortality and hospitalization rates for men and women should be equal.” No, that is not what my ‘conclusion’ rests upon. 1. Millions of men are taking daily baby aspirin. 2. The ‘preliminary report’ claims positive effects of aspirin between 29% to 47%. With millions of men taking aspirin, such huge positive impacts of aspirin would stand out in the general data. This does not require any information on the outcomes for women. All that is required is data on aspirin usage and subsequent COVID outcome. Male gender comes into this because and only because men have for many years been prescribed baby aspirin.

Don’t panic. Refer paragraphs under subsection 5.3 of the following: https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/product-information/comirnaty-epar-product-information_en.pdf ————— Disclosure. In response to cclub75’s opening post I went online to search for further information, what I found is posted above. I would not normally spend time looking for such an obscure document, let alone read though the dry technical text. This begs a question: Did cclub75 discover the document s/he refers to by his/her own efforts, or did s/he repost this ‘discovery’ from something s/he read elsewhere? My guess is cclub75 doesn’t spend time reading through FDA drug test reports but, on the off chance s/he does I recommend a little wider reading before making alarming claims.

Yes, that’s clearly what the graph shows. What it doesn’t show is any increase in infection resulting from vaccination as implied by the poster I was responding to.

Thanks for the fact check link on MSN, it indicates MSN scores ‘High’ in factual reporting. Way higher on factual reporting than FOX New’s ‘mixed’ rating.

Again you are missing the point. The process of taking a patient into hospital includes questions on what medications are being used. This identifies use/none use of aspirin in both men and women. If the impact of aspirin on COVID outcomes was indeed “reduced the risk of several parameters by almost half: reaching mechanical ventilation by 44%, ICU admissions by 43%, and overall in-hospital mortality by 47%.” likewise the claimed 29% reduction in chance of contracting COVID. These are hugely significant percentages that would stand out like a sore thumb in the general data. Does aspirin have an impact? As an aspirin user I would be pleased to hear reliable and credible evidence that it did, But an impact between 29%~47%. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. This ‘preliminary research’ is hardly that.

What’s the population density in Indonesia v that of Singapore? How many people live in apartment blocks in Indonesia v Singapore? How many people use mass transit systems in Indonesia v Singapore? Are the methods of data collection and reported in Indonesia compatible with those in Singapore? Did you discover and interpret these shocking graphs yourself or were the graphs and interpretations fed to you?

You are missing my point. Millions if men take daily baby aspirin, we have two in the limited number of respondents to this thread. Any hospital stay includes the questioning of patients on what medicines they are taking. This absolutely would reveal itself in data.

The problem with graphs is two fold understanding the underlying data and not being tempted to misrepresent what they tell us. We already know vaccination reduces serious illness, hospitalizations and deaths. High case counts in a population that is 80%+ vaccinated does not produce the same outcomes as in populations with lower vaccination rates. Singapore, like the rest of the world is dealing with the very much more virulent Delta Strain, the high vaccines uptake is without doubt reducing the consequences.

A bunch of anti mask, rightwing anti-people blue health measures lunatics make statements claiming school boards have requested Biden label parents who campaign for rightwing anti-mask, anti-public health measures lunacy to be labeled ‘Domestic Terrorists’. AP Publish this as fact without checking the truth. That’s poor editorial control, and while it’s shoddy journalism it is not the same thing as rightwing media outlets themselves continuously inventing and disseminating false information under editorial policy.